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TigersRoarin84
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 Posted September 10th, 2009 10:32 AM IP   
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MR. Clutch
LOL I see his average in late situations, and honestly, that's great for him and the team - but Mr. Clutch? No way in hell.
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I'm sending the Tigers a bill for 39.99 plus applicable taxes. I had to buy a new keyboard after vomiting all over the one I was using when I read that horse crap.
I hope we have diplomatic relations with the country that ball lands in.
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rings
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Posted October 1st, 2009 12:04 PM IP
A couple of hits and suddenly, he's played himself healthy. Our hero!
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"I turned the corner on getting over my knee," Inge said. "I'm taking it out of the equation, the pain It still hurts, but I'm not thinking about it." |
Whipping boys Maggs and Brandon deliver in Tiger win over Pavano:
http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.s...vers_big_h.html
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rings
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Posted October 8th, 2009 10:45 AM IP
This is copied from another thread, but a look at The Messiah's 2nd half is amazing:
.186 BA/.260 OBP/.281 SLG.
49 H w/85 K.
6 HR & 26 RBI in 263 AB.
10 extra base hits in his past 55 games.
And, as always, he leads the American League in errors with 20, this time by 33% over the next highest total of 15 (and not counting the plays scored as "hits" in the Sox & Twins series)
His entire "bad knees" line is getting ridiculous. TBS announcers used it ("horrific knee injury"?!?!) on Tuesday, ChiSox announcers mentioned it, and ESPN does too.
He hasn't missed any games. He runs fine & fields fine. He's athletic, as he's always been. He has no problems, aside from maybe they're sore after games. Whoop-d-dooo...most guys have aches & pains after games, they just don't cry about it to the media aside from Gary Sheffield and him.
But Inge has done a masterful job of setting this up for his built-in excuse for a poor 2nd half, when in reality, he's always had hot & cold streaks in every season. The end result is still a bad hitter with a ton of K's.
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jfine
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Posted October 8th, 2009 01:36 PM IP
Oypes!!!
"I don't believe in superstitions. I think they're bad luck." - Andy Van Slyke
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rings
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Posted October 8th, 2009 02:48 PM IP
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Oypes!!!
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Scored a hit.
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TigersRoarin84
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Posted October 8th, 2009 06:43 PM IP
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Scored a hit.
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The scorekeeper? Inge's mom.
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rings
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Posted October 8th, 2009 08:17 PM IP
The whole thing just irritates me.
Polanco's stellar defense is nearly overlooked. He's committed 10 errors, while playing a more difficult position, over the past THREE SEASONS (total 2119 chances)! Brandon, on the other hand, has committed 60 (!!) errors over his past three full seasons at third (in 1432 chances). Oh, waitaminute...its Brandon's "range" that gets him to so many balls...nearly 700 fewer than Polanco.
At the same time Ordonez is being criticized for "a lack of extra base hits" and triggering his $18m option. Maggs willingly sat & platooned (despite Boras' comments, Maggs said nothing), working his *ss off to regain his stroke...and hits nearly .400 in the second half with some huge hits down the stretch. This SOB never comes out of the lineup - despite his supposed "injury" that he mentions to every microphone nearby - and cashes his $7 million check every year...yet completely fails to perform and has less than a dozen extra base hits in the entire second half! For the first three years of his $28 million dollar contract, the Tigers have been rewarded with a .226 average, .311 OBP, 52 dingers (nearly half in the first part of this season) among 320 hits to go with 414 strikeouts.
And no one should question him?!? Oh, yeah...I almost forgot: He's an "all-star."
Nice fan vote. Idiots.
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Granderson28
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Posted October 8th, 2009 11:05 PM IP
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rings wrote:
The whole thing just irritates me.
Polanco's stellar defense is nearly overlooked. He's committed 10 errors, while playing a more difficult position, over the past THREE SEASONS (total 2119 chances)! Brandon, on the other hand, has committed 60 (!!) errors over his past three full seasons at third (in 1432 chances). Oh, waitaminute...its Brandon's "range" that gets him to so many balls...nearly 700 fewer than Polanco.
At the same time Ordonez is being criticized for "a lack of extra base hits" and triggering his $18m option. Maggs willingly sat & platooned (despite Boras' comments, Maggs said nothing), working his *ss off to regain his stroke...and hits nearly .400 in the second half with some huge hits down the stretch. This SOB never comes out of the lineup - despite his supposed "injury" that he mentions to every microphone nearby - and cashes his $7 million check every year...yet completely fails to perform and has less than a dozen extra base hits in the entire second half! For the first three years of his $28 million dollar contract, the Tigers have been rewarded with a .226 average, .311 OBP, 52 dingers (nearly half in the first part of this season) among 320 hits to go with 414 strikeouts.
And no one should question him?!? Oh, yeah...I almost forgot: He's an "all-star."
Nice fan vote. Idiots.
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But Rings, he wears high socks so he's an old fashion ball player. And he's a fan favorite, all the fat trashy chicks love him to death! How dare you speak this way of his Krotchiness.
Seriously, I'm in a heated discussion over this on my facebook - a friend of mine thinks we shouldn't go after chone figgins because Inge get's the job done 95% of the time...trust me, I've had choice words and let loose.
If DD has any balls, he will get a new 3B or send Inge packing since its the last year of his ridiculous deal. Send him to the NL for some relief pitching and cut Miner for God's sake.
Q: Who hits after Brandon Inge?
A: The other team.
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rings
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Posted October 8th, 2009 11:10 PM IP
Inge couldn't hold Figgins' jock. He's twice the player in that he's a more consistent, excellent fielder (albeit not as flashy) and an outstanding hitter and leadoff man. He makes our lineup instantly MUCH better.
Reality is, according to DD today, they still see Granderson as a leadoff guy and they're truly unlikely to spend significant dollars on 3B when they already have a guy there making $7m.
I don't have a real gripe against Miner...he's fine as a spot starter, long guy...I just don't want him in a ton of "important" situations, like working multiple innings in a close do-or-die game.
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TigersRoarin84
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Posted October 9th, 2009 08:34 AM IP
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rings wrote:
The whole thing just irritates me.
Polanco's stellar defense is nearly overlooked. He's committed 10 errors, while playing a more difficult position, over the past THREE SEASONS (total 2119 chances)! Brandon, on the other hand, has committed 60 (!!) errors over his past three full seasons at third (in 1432 chances). Oh, waitaminute...its Brandon's "range" that gets him to so many balls...nearly 700 fewer than Polanco.
At the same time Ordonez is being criticized for "a lack of extra base hits" and triggering his $18m option. Maggs willingly sat & platooned (despite Boras' comments, Maggs said nothing), working his *ss off to regain his stroke...and hits nearly .400 in the second half with some huge hits down the stretch. This SOB never comes out of the lineup - despite his supposed "injury" that he mentions to every microphone nearby - and cashes his $7 million check every year...yet completely fails to perform and has less than a dozen extra base hits in the entire second half! For the first three years of his $28 million dollar contract, the Tigers have been rewarded with a .226 average, .311 OBP, 52 dingers (nearly half in the first part of this season) among 320 hits to go with 414 strikeouts.
And no one should question him?!? Oh, yeah...I almost forgot: He's an "all-star."
Nice fan vote. Idiots.
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This pisses me off the most, the stuff about Maggs and Polanco. Seriously, they are much, much, MUCH better players than Inge and Maggs said nothing when he was platooned for sucking. When the Tigers brought in Pudge Freaking Rodriguez to take over catcher, you know one of the best ever, Inge bitched about them finding him a new spot on the field. When they brought in one of the best 3B in the game and EVERYONE was happy about it, Inge bitched that he had to move back to the position he whined about having to leave. If he's in the lineup he's horrible and if he's out of it he's bitching. Meanwhile, the guy he beat in the fan vote for the all-star game, Adam Lind, in his SECOND damn season, ended up hitting .300+ with 30+ bombs and came up with more clutch hits than "Mr. .180 Clutch."
I hope we have diplomatic relations with the country that ball lands in.
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jfine
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Posted October 9th, 2009 09:55 AM IP
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This pisses me off the most, the stuff about Maggs and Polanco. Seriously, they are much, much, MUCH better players than Inge and Maggs said nothing when he was platooned for sucking. When the Tigers brought in Pudge Freaking Rodriguez to take over catcher, you know one of the best ever, Inge bitched about them finding him a new spot on the field. When they brought in one of the best 3B in the game and EVERYONE was happy about it, Inge bitched that he had to move back to the position he whined about having to leave. If he's in the lineup he's horrible and if he's out of it he's bitching. Meanwhile, the guy he beat in the fan vote for the all-star game, Adam Lind, in his SECOND damn season, ended up hitting .300+ with 30+ bombs and came up with more clutch hits than "Mr. .180 Clutch."
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Yeah, that is the real tragedy of that all-star game. Adam Lind doesn't go because the idiot fans vote for Krotchy. Granted, yes, he had a great first half, but I guess the rest of us knew it wouldn't continue (just because we know Krotchy). Poor Adam.
Why do girls like Inge so much? I'm starting to think of him as our own little Jonas Brother. Girls just like him regardless of whether he has any talent (which he doesn't).
"I don't believe in superstitions. I think they're bad luck." - Andy Van Slyke
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Jesustheclown
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Posted October 9th, 2009 03:24 PM IP
Brandon Inge aka Krotchy aka the Messiah is the best player in Major League Baseball EVER!!! Adam Lind sucks dog dicks in comparision. The entire Yankees team can only wish to have half the talent of Inge. Inge's problem is that hes been completely surrounded by subpar minor league talent like Cabrera and Verlander.
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TigersRoarin84
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Posted October 11th, 2009 11:49 AM IP
"I got it."
Fail.
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jfine
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Posted October 11th, 2009 12:05 PM IP
E5
"I don't believe in superstitions. I think they're bad luck." - Andy Van Slyke
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rings
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Posted October 11th, 2009 07:45 PM IP
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This pisses me off the most, the stuff about Maggs and Polanco. Seriously, they are much, much, MUCH better players than Inge and Maggs said nothing when he was platooned for sucking. When the Tigers brought in Pudge Freaking Rodriguez to take over catcher, you know one of the best ever, Inge bitched about them finding him a new spot on the field. When they brought in one of the best 3B in the game and EVERYONE was happy about it, Inge bitched that he had to move back to the position he whined about having to leave. If he's in the lineup he's horrible and if he's out of it he's bitching. Meanwhile, the guy he beat in the fan vote for the all-star game, Adam Lind, in his SECOND damn season, ended up hitting .300+ with 30+ bombs and came up with more clutch hits than "Mr. .180 Clutch."
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Yep. You nailed it. Perfectly summarized.
IMO, its an example of "quiet racism" or "Americanism." All the players here contrasted (except Lind, who lost out to the Tiger marketing department) are Latino - who don't talk to the old, white guy beat writers - and Inge is the easy quote guy, who talks to them every day. (Its just like Backus with the Lions, who is HORRIBLE, yet was supported forever by the beats.)
When the beats constantly croon about Inge, many fans who either don't watch every day or don't understand the game believe it as gospel.
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Granderson28
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Posted October 12th, 2009 04:58 PM IP
BYB
Alright, I need some help here. I'm the only one to give them sh*t about Inge and no one's backing me up - so c'mon DTC, let's give them some truth about Krotchy.
Q: Who hits after Brandon Inge?
A: The other team.
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jfine
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Posted October 12th, 2009 05:24 PM IP
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BYB
Alright, I need some help here. I'm the only one to give them sh*t about Inge and no one's backing me up - so c'mon DTC, let's give them some truth about Krotchy.
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This part made me laugh:
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Dave Cameron's calculations put Inge's defensive value at 8.5 runs above the league average 3B while his offense falls 7.9 runs short. Only 8 3B in the league had a better fielding value than Inge (min. 100 PA) while 45 did better offensively. |
I don't consider that last line very impressive (on the defensive stats) considering that there's only 14 teams in the league. Yeah, I know there isn't just 14 third baseman, but I think you know what I mean...
I'd join in the discussion, but I'm too lazy to register to post comments. Let Rings take over. He's got a whole arsenal of Inge crap to throw at them.
"I don't believe in superstitions. I think they're bad luck." - Andy Van Slyke
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Granderson28
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Posted October 12th, 2009 10:57 PM IP
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I'd join in the discussion, but I'm too lazy to register to post comments. Let Rings take over. He's got a whole arsenal of Inge crap to throw at them.
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I would hope so. I could use a hand over there.
Q: Who hits after Brandon Inge?
A: The other team.
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Granderson28
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Posted October 12th, 2009 11:21 PM IP
They're really ticking me off over there to be honest. I guess I'm fighting with a bunch of homers. I'd love if my fellow DTC's could help a brother out here. It's just wild how much love there is for someone so bad.
Q: Who hits after Brandon Inge?
A: The other team.
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jfine
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Posted October 13th, 2009 09:39 AM IP
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They're really ticking me off over there to be honest. I guess I'm fighting with a bunch of homers. I'd love if my fellow DTC's could help a brother out here. It's just wild how much love there is for someone so bad.
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Its hard to argue with idiots because they don't listen to reason. That's the conclusion I've reached with Inge fans - they're idiots beyond reasoning. It's almost a waste of your time to try and argue with them because they will not hear the truth. These are the people who post things like "I love Inge because he's so great defensively" without backing up how great he is with any real stats, like the fact that he once again lead all 3rd baseman in errors this year. Might as well focus your energy on better things, Granderson28. You'll just frustrate yourself.
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rings
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Posted October 13th, 2009 09:40 AM IP
There you go, dude. I've stirred the pot a bit.
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Granderson28
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Posted October 13th, 2009 10:47 AM IP
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There you go, dude. I've stirred the pot a bit.
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Thank you sir. I felt alone in this Inge-hater world. My gosh their arguments against me are ridiculous. I'm sick of UZR sabremetric bs that continues to come out of their mouths over there.
I watched probably 130 out of 163 games this year - I definitely don't need any saber metrics to prove someone's worth to me, I saw it just fine.
Q: Who hits after Brandon Inge?
A: The other team.
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rings
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Posted October 13th, 2009 11:30 AM IP
UZR is another saber stat that is decent, but not if taken as a whole case. Its only part of the picture, not dissimilar to AVG/RBI/OBP/SLG, etc.
The worst part of the defensive saber stats is that they still rely on several folks' opinion of "zone" and how an individual play was defensed. In this way, its not much different that the "official scorer" and his willingness to award errors or base hits on a particular play. Most MLB teams have between 2-5 scorers and the guys from Fenway may be different than the guys from PNC Park...and we've seen how the definition of "error" can change.
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jfine
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Posted October 13th, 2009 12:03 PM IP
I was just reading some of those posts - my god, that one guy who is arguing with Granderson28 is a moron. I also like that he's claiming Inge is 8th out of 64 3rd baseman... as though there are really 64 third basemen in the league. I would like to see that list and how many of them actually play 3rd base regularly as opposed to being listed on the roster as a 3rd baseman. We all know how that works. Shit, that list probably has tons of platooners and people who really play other positions in the lineup regularly. What I want to know is how Inge compares to the other starting 3rd basemen in the league. That's a more honest measurement.
"I don't believe in superstitions. I think they're bad luck." - Andy Van Slyke
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TigersRoarin84
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Posted October 13th, 2009 01:30 PM IP
The first comment cracks me up. He admits he can't hit, but if we found a catcher and shortstop who could, it would be alright? Why do they have to make up for the offensive position short comings? Then the proclamation that no one wants Inge, so we can't trade him, but that's OK because he wants him here. So you admit he sucks and you want him to play for your favourite team. Go cheer for the Twins or Sux please.
Alright, I got the second, see his "great" numbers as a full time player, .251 and .319? WTF? Now he's underrated because of his injury? And he's value because he's worth 11 Million? WTDoubleF?
I had to give up reading after the second rings post. They won't listen to G28 and rings impeccable reasoning and only make me facepalm.
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jfine
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Posted October 13th, 2009 02:41 PM IP
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The first comment cracks me up. He admits he can't hit, but if we found a catcher and shortstop who could, it would be alright? Why do they have to make up for the offensive position short comings? Then the proclamation that no one wants Inge, so we can't trade him, but that's OK because he wants him here. So you admit he sucks and you want him to play for your favourite team. Go cheer for the Twins or Sux please.
Alright, I got the second, see his "great" numbers as a full time player, .251 and .319? WTF? Now he's underrated because of his injury? And he's value because he's worth 11 Million? WTDoubleF?
I had to give up reading after the second rings post. They won't listen to G28 and rings impeccable reasoning and only make me facepalm.
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Yeah, I saw that comment about the $11 mil - wtf is that based on? Just some random number he pulled out of his ass. How can anyone argue that Inge is worth $11 mil, even if he were to win a gold glove and was the best third baseman in the league... defensive players aren't worth that much unless they bring a little offense to the table (and we all know he's not a gold glover with all those errors). Bottom line is that Krotchy would probably be a lot more valuable if he didn't strike out so much. At least put the ball in play and hope for an error. K's do nothing except prevent DP's.
"I don't believe in superstitions. I think they're bad luck." - Andy Van Slyke
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rings
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Posted October 13th, 2009 05:02 PM IP
The "salary" analysis is just another saber guy trying to put value on his number crunching. As G28 states, no one pays for "defense" at third...we found that out in trying to give him away last year.
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Granderson28
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Posted October 13th, 2009 11:26 PM IP
I just had to make a few more points there. It's incredible how they quote the "11" million dollar value for defense or how no one ever quoted Inge as "Mr. Clutch"...my God I swear I heard that wayy to many times.
Q: Who hits after Brandon Inge?
A: The other team.
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jfine
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Posted October 14th, 2009 10:38 AM IP
Well, this is why I tend to avoid making comments on these types of articles - I don't see the point. You're not going to change their minds with reasoning if their arguments are not rational to begin with or if they cling to fuzzy statistics that support their opinions. I usually don't even base my opinions on stats because I'm not a stat monkey. I watch all the games and base my opinion of players on what I see. I don't try to change people's minds because I don't give a shit if they agree with me. No one's opinion is ever going to be more important to me than my own. In my opinion, Inge is overrated. Yeah, he makes flashy plays occasionally, but that doesn't make up for the boneheaded errors and his complete lack of offense save the occasional homer. I know all of that, not because of stats, but because I watch almost every ****ing game season after season. Bottom line is that I don't like him and I don't want him here. Let's focus on getting a true gold glove caliber player at a position that really matters (shortstop) and get an offensive guy at third, where he belongs. Hopefully he'll be gone after 2010.
"I don't believe in superstitions. I think they're bad luck." - Andy Van Slyke
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AnimalALB
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Posted October 14th, 2009 08:59 PM IP
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I just had to make a few more points there. It's incredible how they quote the "11" million dollar value for defense or how no one ever quoted Inge as "Mr. Clutch"...my God I swear I heard that wayy to many times.
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It's spelled wrong. It's actually "Mr. Klutch."
Krotchy's release was long overdue. He should have been cut about six years ago, comepletely out of baseball by now, and where he belongs bagging groceries at a Krogers.
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