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tigeralum01
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 Posted January 20th, 2012 12:56 PM IP   
carlos pena going back to the Rays
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Posted January 24th, 2012 03:17 PM IP
Prince fielder going to Detriot. 9 years 214 million deal
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Posted January 24th, 2012 03:53 PM IP
I took my son to old Tiger Stadium for Cecil Fielder bat day. Maybe I can take my grandson this year for Prince Fielder bat day.
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Posted January 24th, 2012 05:08 PM IP
nice addition for the Tigers....price of tickets just jumped 200% and pizza at little ceasers now costs $55 but a great young core for the Tigers with Verlander, Cabrera, Fielder. Porcello, Jackson, Turner, and Scherzer all have pretty good potential too.
I would absolutely shocked if Detroit doesn't again win the Central but they do still have holes at 3B, 2B, RF, LF and who knows if they will get the same production from Peralta and Fister in 2012. not saying they can't win the world series this year but I would still put Texas ahead of them and NY, LA, and Boston can all be at least as good. for the Tigers the reach their full potential they need Austin Jackson to be a guy who can get on base, cause havoc, and score a ton of runs. if you look back to when the Indians have Belle, Murray, Thome, Manny, Baerga knocking the cover off the ball IMO Kenny Lofton was still the most important person in that line up
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tigeralum01
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Posted January 25th, 2012 08:03 AM IP
They don't have a whole at 3B if Miggy plays there
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Posted January 25th, 2012 09:45 AM IP
you can't have Cabrera and Peralta on the left side of you defense and expect to playing winning defense. defense and pitching still wins in the playoffs
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Posted January 25th, 2012 09:50 AM IP
Well I would expect that Miggy sees a lot of time at 3B
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Posted January 25th, 2012 09:50 AM IP
Tigers didn't even need a 1B, but when Victor went down they decided to add $20 million to their yearly payroll. Tribe is dying to find a 1B and they don't even think about Fielder...so frustrating.
And to make it worse, I had Fielder on my fantasy baseball team at a pretty good salary. Too bad my league is NL-only.
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Posted January 25th, 2012 10:26 AM IP
Pretty much rids the talk about markets in this case. Don't get mad at the system; get mad who owns the Tribe.
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Posted January 25th, 2012 11:45 AM IP
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Pretty much rids the talk about markets in this case. Don't get mad at the system; get mad who owns the Tribe.
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so are you saying Detroit isn't a big market? Detroit is the 11th rated TV market in MLB, 2012 will be the 5th straight year they have had over an 100 mil payroll, and have spent at least 82 mil every year since 06. they have added a lot of big salary guys since commerica park oppend in Juan Gonzalez, Pudge Rodriguez, Gary Sheffield, Magglio Ordonez, Johnny Damon, Victor Martinez, Jose Velverde, Joaquin Benoit, and Prince fielder off the top of my head. they have also locked up Cabrera and Verlander to big deals.
I will grant you just being a big market and spending money doesn't guarentee winning..see the Mets and DODGERS. the Tigers have good baseball people in charge and other then Juan Gonzalez has made pretty wise decisions and even that is a hind sight being 20/20 thing
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Posted January 25th, 2012 12:02 PM IP
Ron....you just kind of proved Jakes point in a roundabout way. Up until 2006 Detroit pretty much stunk. It wasn't til they started to actually go after the high salary players that they started to win. If Cleveland would just be willing to start going after some premiere players and spend some cash they'd be able to turn things around too.
Size of TV markets mean nothing.....its having PLAYERS that does. To get the PLAYERS you have to spend money. Unfortunately, the Tribes GM rolls the dice on too many iffy players and doesn't strike when he has the chance.
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Posted January 25th, 2012 02:26 PM IP
Miggy says he will move to 3B for Fielder to play 1B
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Posted January 25th, 2012 02:26 PM IP
having the money to go after those guys is directly related to revenue generated and that is directly related to the size of the market your team is in.
for the most part Shapiro did a good job as GM and I think Antonetti is doing the best he can given the circumstances. it isn't like they don't want to land big name players they just don't have the resources to do so. even when the Indians were selling out Jacobs field every night and had 100 mil payroll they were still being out bid by bigger market teams and lost guys like Albert Belle and Manny Ramirez...the also traded Kenny Lofton in his free agent year for fear that he would walk as well.
it is incredibly naive to believe it is as simple as saying Albert Puljos is a great player so lets go get him. this is the system baseball has and I don't blame teams with money for taking advantage of it. for teams like the Indians, Pirates, Rays, Royals, As, Reds, etc.... you have to build from with in. you must put together a good core of young players...try and get them under control long enough to mature and win....and then win in that window before the get priced out of your range. the Indians missed their window with Grady, Victor, Sabathia, Lee, roided Pronk
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Posted January 25th, 2012 02:30 PM IP
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if it works for Detroit more power to them but I am betting he is either in the OF or DH by the end of the season. Cabrera is an amazing hitter but the Tigers moved him from 3B to 1B for a reason back when they traded for him.
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Posted January 25th, 2012 09:28 PM IP
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nice addition for the Tigers....price of tickets just jumped 200% and pizza at little ceasers now costs $55 but a great young core for the Tigers with Verlander, Cabrera, Fielder. Porcello, Jackson, Turner, and Scherzer all have pretty good potential too.
I would absolutely shocked if Detroit doesn't again win the Central but they do still have holes at 3B, 2B, RF, LF and who knows if they will get the same production from Peralta and Fister in 2012. not saying they can't win the world series this year but I would still put Texas ahead of them and NY, LA, and Boston can all be at least as good. for the Tigers the reach their full potential they need Austin Jackson to be a guy who can get on base, cause havoc, and score a ton of runs. if you look back to when the Indians have Belle, Murray, Thome, Manny, Baerga knocking the cover off the ball IMO Kenny Lofton was still the most important person in that line up
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i think they still have Fister too, who was as hot a pitcher in the 2nd half last year as any pitcher in the bigs
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Posted January 26th, 2012 11:32 AM IP
Fister was a very nice addition for them last season but I still want to see him repeat that before I am 100% sold. I won't condem him based on this season because I would expect him to struggle some as we have seen from other pitchers who throw 30 plus starts and over 200 innings for the 1st time...then add the playoffs on top of that. still you are right he has shown he does have pretty good potential
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Posted January 26th, 2012 06:46 PM IP
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Ron....you just kind of proved Jakes point in a roundabout way. Up until 2006 Detroit pretty much stunk. It wasn't til they started to actually go after the high salary players that they started to win. If Cleveland would just be willing to start going after some premiere players and spend some cash they'd be able to turn things around too.
Size of TV markets mean nothing.....its having PLAYERS that does. To get the PLAYERS you have to spend money. Unfortunately, the Tribes GM rolls the dice on too many iffy players and doesn't strike when he has the chance.
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there's a difference between spending to GET players
and not being able to afford to spend enough to KEEP players
Detroit had to go out and sign guys because their farm system has been garbage for about 25 years now. That's just bad scouting.
The Indians have had one of the best farm systems in baseball since the early 90s. It is insane the guys who have come up with Cleveland. Detroit never had that. Aside from Verlander and Granderson and Inge, the Tigers organization was as devoid of talent as any in the majors.
The Indians didn't have to go out and GET Cliff Lee...they just needed to re-sign him, which they couldn't, because they couldn't afford to...which is cruel and backward. The Indians didn't need to go out and get CC Sabathia. They didn't have to go out and get Victor Martinez. Or Jim Thome. Or Bartolo Colon, etc. etc.
Detroit gets rewarded because they have money to spend, not because they are organizationally sound. It's sad. The Indians are better at everything than the Tigers except generating revenue. So whereas teams like Cleveland have to catch lightning in a bottle because they can't afford to resign their Star Players, teams like the Tigers can build off last year's success and add pieces at any cost.
Welcome to Major League Baseball.
And it's not going to change for the Tribe anytime soon...going to watch a game at the Jake used to be an awesome experience, even a home-body like me would go up 5-8 times a year.
I went up to see a game three years ago and it was horrible. Dirty streets, dirty stadium, empty seats. It was sad. Mayor Mike White really did a number on that town.
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Posted January 26th, 2012 10:54 PM IP
Dr...you act like the Tigers are the Yankees or something. Detroit isn't honestly any different from Cleveland other than they've got fannies in their seats like the Indians did in the 90s. Unfortunately, you are right in the fact that teams don't have to have a sound minor league system....but it does help. The Yankees are known for going out and "Buying" a Pennant. However, alot of fans fail to realize that 85% of their players come up through the minor league system. The difference between the Indians and Tigers is simple......Detroit isn't afraid to pull the trigger and go after a guy that they feel good about and have done their homework on. Cleveland doesn't have the guts to go after a stud but would rather take a chance on someone that did something 3-5 years ago and they hope it will happen again. Unfortunately in major league baseball the way to BUILD a winner isn't from your farm system -- its blending the farm system and going after proven free agents and having a good scout system. Then, once you become a winner......you need to really start to grow through your farm system (like the Yankees). If Cleveland wants to get over the hump (and IMO they're not that far away) they need to do a better job of scouting the free agent market and land a couple of proven free agents...which means spending some cash -- which will put fannies in the seats again.
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Posted January 27th, 2012 01:15 PM IP
http://www.baseball-reference.com/b...199007030.shtml
The above link is to the game report of a Tigers-White Sox game I went to during the final season of old Comisky. I was reminded of it by the Tigers' signing of Prince Fielder, because his dad hit one of his 51 homers in this game. I also remember Lou Whitaker hitting one about twenty rows above my head in the upper deck in right field (bought a ticket at the game and sat in the front row--about the best seat I've ever had!). What I had forgotten was that Chicago had two HR's also, by Carlton Fisk and a player then little known named Sammy Sosa. Quite an exhibition that night!
While it is true that Detroit did not improve defensively with PF's signing, it's not as though they had such great infield defense last season, either. I would like to see better, but DD can't play Fantasy League and just gobble up whomever he wants.
"Detroit gets rewarded because they have money to spend, not because they are organizationally sound. It's sad. The Indians are better at everything than the Tigers except generating revenue."
Torch, I think Detroit deserves more credit than you are giving here. The Fister and Young trades did not involve big-time cash, but I consider them absolutely pivotal to the team's success in 2011 and continued success beyond. Not everything has worked out every time (bbmind can chirp here about Dontrelle Willis, if he wants). But Detroit goes into 2012 as one of a handful of teams with a legitimate shot at the pennant, and Mike Ilitch has signaled that he is willing to dig into his deep pockets to try to add a WS pennant flying over Comerica Park to go with the Stanley Cup banners hanging from the rafters at the Joe.
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Posted January 27th, 2012 01:53 PM IP
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Dr...you act like the Tigers are the Yankees or something. Detroit isn't honestly any different from Cleveland other than they've got fannies in their seats like the Indians did in the 90s. Unfortunately, you are right in the fact that teams don't have to have a sound minor league system....but it does help. The Yankees are known for going out and "Buying" a Pennant. However, alot of fans fail to realize that 85% of their players come up through the minor league system. The difference between the Indians and Tigers is simple......Detroit isn't afraid to pull the trigger and go after a guy that they feel good about and have done their homework on. Cleveland doesn't have the guts to go after a stud but would rather take a chance on someone that did something 3-5 years ago and they hope it will happen again. Unfortunately in major league baseball the way to BUILD a winner isn't from your farm system -- its blending the farm system and going after proven free agents and having a good scout system. Then, once you become a winner......you need to really start to grow through your farm system (like the Yankees). If Cleveland wants to get over the hump (and IMO they're not that far away) they need to do a better job of scouting the free agent market and land a couple of proven free agents...which means spending some cash -- which will put fannies in the seats again.
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I don't know that 85% of the yankees players come through their system anymore...that may have been tue at one time but not so much anymore
even if that is true the point still is the Yankees have the money to sign guys like Rivera, Jeter, Posada, and , Cano,Pettit,Williams and still go out and add guys like Wettleland, Boggs, Key, Wells, Clemens, Sheffield, Damon, A-Rod, CC, Burnett, Soriano, Mussina, Giambi, Matsui, Irabu, Knoblach etc.... the only free agent of their I remember them losing was Andy Pettit when he went to Houston to be with his boy friend Clemens....then they signed him back anyhow
the Indians on the other hand even when they were winning and selling out their ball park were still losing guys like Belle and Ramirez to bigger market and higher spending teams. the entire time the Indians were winning from 94 to 2001 other then Robbie Alomar ,Juan Gonzalez, and resigning Lofton the Indians never were able to sign a big time free agaent. they were bringing in guys like Martinez, Murray, Hershisher, Burks who while were useful players for sure were all at the end of their careers. I guess they spent good money on Jack McDowell but he was garbage
hey if I am the Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, etc... I take advantage of the system too. I don't blame them for that at all but it is more then just putting butts in the seats because even a sold out stadium doesn't give them anywhere near the money to spend as other franchise because of other revenue like TV contracts. the Indians are the 21st TV market in baseball and will never make the money that the White Sox and Tigers can in their own division
like I have said before this doesn't mean the Indians can't win because they can. they need to work the draft, scout latin america, and do a good job developing players, make wise trades, and be smart how you spend your money. it does add a little more pressure to a franchise because your windows are smaller and you have to hit on those windows. the Indians missed with CC, Lee, Grady, Victor, Juiced Hafner.
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Posted January 27th, 2012 01:58 PM IP
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Torch, I think Detroit deserves more credit than you are giving here. The Fister and Young trades did not involve big-time cash, but I consider them absolutely pivotal to the team's success in 2011 and continued success beyond. Not everything has worked out every time (bbmind can chirp here about Dontrelle Willis, if he wants). But Detroit goes into 2012 as one of a handful of teams with a legitimate shot at the pennant, and Mike Ilitch has signaled that he is willing to dig into his deep pockets to try to add a WS pennant flying over Comerica Park to go with the Stanley Cup banners hanging from the rafters at the Joe.
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Detroit does deserve a lot credit. they put smart baseball people in charge, opened up their pocket book, and turned around a franchise that was pretty terrible in 02 and 03 and turned it around pretty quick.
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Posted January 27th, 2012 06:59 PM IP
it is still a bit early as there are still some quality FA out there that could change things but today I am guessing
AL East
1.Yankees
-not sure what they will do at DH but adding Kuroda and Pineda help the rotation. I expect some roll back on Pineda due amount of innings thrown last season but should be tough
2.Red Sox
-I guessing they are healthier then last year and Crawford has a nice season
3.Rays
-good rotation, solid offense, pen worries me
4.Jays
-not a bad 4th place team. should hit, solid young rotation, and good arms in the pen
5.Os
-should hit the ball and have some good young arms but burried in a tough division
AL Central
1.Tigers
-if they stay healthy should walk through the central
2.Indians
-a bit of a homer pick but if somethings break their way could be a fun summer. if players don't progress could be a long summer
3.Royals
-putting them this high I just jinxed them, sorry Royals. bright future though
4.White Sox
-still some good starters but I see a lot of question marks
5.Twins
-other than Mauer and Morneau not much there and who knows how healthy they will be?
AL West
1.Rangers
-still like the Rangers but they need Darvish and Feliz to be good
2.Angels
-pitching should be pretty good although I wonder about Walden. adding Albert is pretty big
3.Ms
-Smoak, Ackley, Montero, and Hernandez are the future..not enough now
4.As
-awful
I am thinking the Angels beat out Boston and Tampa for the Wildcard because of their pitching
NL East
1.Phillies
-should be good enough to win the division but will miss Howard
2.Braves
-full year with Bourn plus Heyward and Freeman improve..good pitching
3.Nats
-on their way
4.Marlins
-another pretty good 4th place team. if Ramirez can be happy at 3B and Johnson can stay healthy could win the division
5.Mets
-not very good
NL Central
1.Cardinals
-lost Albert but will get Wainwright back and should still score some runs if Beltran can stay healthy
2.Reds
-I did think that 2010 was a bit of a fluke but they are better then last year after adding Latos
3.Brewers
-still a pretty talented team but I think they have a tough time getting through Braun suspension
4.Pirates
-some good young players, could be a nice season if they can take another step forward
5.Cubs
-could be a long year..I expect Garza to be dealt by the deadline
6.Astros
-heading to the AL next season but not many players worth taking with them when they go
NLWest
1.Giants
-Posey will be back, like the adds of Cabrera and Pagan for that park, still have very good pitching..but they need the Brian Wilson of 2010 not the guy who appears in more commercials about his beard then actual games
2.DBack
-hate not picking them. nice adds with Cahill and Kubel plus Upton looks like a star but I see some roll back
3.Rockies
-they did upgrade with Cuddyer, Blake, and Hernandez but the pen looks bad and very young rotation
4.Dodgers
-other than Kemp, Kershaw, and Either not much to get excited over
5.Padres
-well they added Quentin
Wildcard Braves
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Posted January 28th, 2012 07:29 PM IP
hey i'm not hating on the Tigers, i actually like Detroit in MLB, i grew up in a Tigers household...Rocky Colavito was a sacred name in my house growing up and Alan Trammel is my all time favorite player
I just think it is a bogus system. The Indians benefited from a great revenue stream back in the day for sure, it is just disheartening as a fan to watch these players come up thru your system knowing all the time that you won't ever be able to re-sign them. Every time I look at Cliff Lee pitch with a different jersey on I wanna vomit.
I will absolutely give Detroit credit for the Fister trade, and even the Dmitri Young trade (which i forgot about)...those were great moves. I am just one of those people that think when half the league is a farm team for the other half of the league, something needs fixed.
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Posted January 29th, 2012 02:07 PM IP
Alan Trammell your favorite player! Careful, Torch, or bbmind will run you out of town.
I am in general agreement with your last statement (I think you meant Delmon, not his brother). When free agency first hit baseball following Charlie O's vetoed attempt to sell Catfish Hunter to the Yankees, it was clear that the money was going to start flowing faster than the smaller-market clubs could handle. Mike Ilitch's wealth makes it possible for Detroit to be competitive; no one else could own the Tigers and make it work, though.
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Posted January 29th, 2012 08:42 PM IP
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Alan Trammell your favorite player! Careful, Torch, or bbmind will run you out of town.
I am in general agreement with your last statement (I think you meant Delmon, not his brother). When free agency first hit baseball following Charlie O's vetoed attempt to sell Catfish Hunter to the Yankees, it was clear that the money was going to start flowing faster than the smaller-market clubs could handle. Mike Ilitch's wealth makes it possible for Detroit to be competitive; no one else could own the Tigers and make it work, though.
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yes, ty, baseball is not my #1 sport...and it's hard to remember these guys until after my fantasy draft la
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Posted January 30th, 2012 10:56 AM IP
I honestly see everyone's point on here, but the Tribe was one of the higher payroll teams from mid-90s until Dolan took over. It takes a combination of everything to be successful, and the Tigers are doing this, while the Tribe isn't. Again, you can't complain about the system when the Tribe wasn't hurt by it in its heydey. It's now simply used as a convenient woe-is-me.
Don't get upset at MLB; get upset at the Tribe brass not doing anything for the fans other than blowing money on fireworks.
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Posted January 30th, 2012 12:49 PM IP
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I honestly see everyone's point on here, but the Tribe was one of the higher payroll teams from mid-90s until Dolan took over. It takes a combination of everything to be successful, and the Tigers are doing this, while the Tribe isn't. Again, you can't complain about the system when the Tribe wasn't hurt by it in its heydey. It's now simply used as a convenient woe-is-me.
Don't get upset at MLB; get upset at the Tribe brass not doing anything for the fans other than blowing money on fireworks.
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sure you can, an unfair system is an unfair system, even if you are being rewarded by it at the time
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Posted January 31st, 2012 10:55 AM IP
That may be a fair point, but when I see other markets not much bigger than Cleveland spending, and Cleveland was able to spend in the timeframe previously mentioned, the system loses its steam, IMHO.
It's just like any business; if you want to make money, you're going to have to spend it to improve your product. The Tribe brass simply refuses to do so, and will continue to be bitten with this approach.
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Posted January 31st, 2012 03:13 PM IP
the Indians were hurt by the system even in the mid 90's when the park was sold out every night. they still had limits and were out bid for guys like Albert Belle and Manny Ramirez off their own roster and other than Robbie Alomar and resigning Kenny Lofton after a season in Atlanta they never landed a big name free agent. they got Juan Gonzalez on a 1 year deal because his stock was way down but then after a good year in Cleveland he cashed in with Detroit. the other guys they signed were Dennis Marinez, Orel Hershisher, Eddie Murray, Kevin Mitchell, Ellis Burks, Shawon Dunston, Will Cordero, etc.... most at the end of their careers that didn't break the bank. the Indians payroll grew because they did for the most part lock up a lot of their core players who either came out of their system or were acquired in trades.
Dolan get a lot of flack and I do believe they deserve their share for not giving the ok to add actual impact players around their young core but lets not act like they haven't spent any money. they signed guys like Hafner, Grady, Victor, CC, Lee, Carmona, Peralta to good sized deals that set the market around baseball for young players and in the process bought out a couple years of their free agency. now where the problem comes in is Grady can't stay healthy, Lee goes mental and spends 07 in the minors, Carmona/Heredia is so inconsistant, Hafner has to get off the roids, Peralta is a cry baby about moving to 3B and all of a sudden the majority of their payroll is wasted money.
a lot of Indians fans killed the Tribe when they signed CC to that 4yr 9.5 mil deal back in 02 because he hadn't proven anything, was too fat, or wore his hat sideways. then another 2 yr extention for 17mil really fired people up in 07....but then CC won the Cy Young
in 06 the Indians signed Sizemore to what was at the time the largest contract ever for a guy with less then 2 years of MLB service at 6yrs 23.45mil.
the problem as I see it is the in ability or unwillingness to add actual impact players to fill in the gaps around their core players. I have said before Jimenez wouldn't have been my choice but at least the team was aggressive at the deadline and was in the mix on a number of players to try and improve the team. remember back in 07 when they went out to and got 57 year old Kenny Lofton on the cheap.
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Nats sign Edwin Jackson to a 1 year deal....they could be pretty tough if all goes right
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