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td truckers
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 Posted February 6th, 2012 08:56 PM IP   
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as for their offseason in general it was pretty mediocre but they really. they filled an outfield spot by resigning Grady and 1B with Kotchman.
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I'd HARDLY call signing Sizemore as filling an outfield spot. But technically I guess your right.
"If you're my enemy and you're by the side of the road with a flat tire, and it's 20 below zero, I'm going to stop and throw a gallon of water on you and keep going."
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galion
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Posted February 7th, 2012 08:41 AM IP
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td truckers wrote:
I'd HARDLY call signing Sizemore as filling an outfield spot. But technically I guess your right.
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They may have filled the spot for about 50 games if they're lucky.
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Pronkville
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Posted February 13th, 2012 12:42 PM IP
Indians sign Pitcher, Jon Garland
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ScarletFever
Africentric's Booster Club Prez
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Posted February 14th, 2012 05:27 PM IP
ESPN came out with future rankings, and it backs up the horror I felt when we gave away Pomeranz & White for UBaldtire. Future looks bad for Cleveland... 27th!
The lowdown
This probably seems a bit low for Cleveland, a team that stayed in the AL Central race for much of last season and some see as a darkhorse in 2012. Problem is, that speaks more to their weak division than to the Tribe's overall quality.
Catcher Carlos Santana is set for superstardom and shortstop Asdrubal Cabrera is another fine young player, but the Tribe lacks impact talent at a number of spots on the diamond, doesn't have much talent on the farm that is close to helping, nor does it have the money needed to bring in top free agents. If there was a greater degree of certainty regarding Ubaldo Jimenez' ability to recapture his 2010 form, this club would rank higher, but without that, the Indians are in shaky territory. -- Buster Olney
The next step
With the exception of last year's draft, the Indians' farm system has gone backward. Having traded two of their top pitching prospects (Drew Pomeranz and Alex White) for Jimenez, they must figure out what has gone wrong for him in order to justify the price they paid. Without Jimenez at top form, they can't compete for a playoff spot. -- Jim Bowden
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TVTimeout
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Posted February 17th, 2012 09:09 PM IP
Scarlett....you have to remember that a year ago the Indians over-achieved by ALOT in the first half of the season. Combine that with the fact that Detroit didn't play well and you had the perfect storm for the Tribe....a mirage that looked like a decent team. I don't think the Indians are horrible but yet I don't think they're what alot of Indians fans wanna think -- as many of them are seeing the first half of the season while the 2nd half is more what I think they're going to be like.
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Dr. Torch
Automatic Mojo
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Posted February 18th, 2012 06:28 PM IP
off topic but since this is the only active thread atm here's a great story i came across about Tim Wakefield retiring, trying to catch a knuckleball, and how Charlie Hough became uncatchable for a stretch of days in 1987
http://joeposnanski.si.com/2012/02/...ers/?xid=cnnbin
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted February 22nd, 2012 04:10 PM IP
Scarlet, I looked at the list of all players drafted by Cleveland last year. I have never seen so many 5-9 to 5-11 kids on a list of athletes in my life. I'd much rather take a chance on a 6-1 to 6-3 position player that due to his body type might develop some power as opposed to a bunch of Punch and Judy hitters that will never hit more than five home runs in a given year.
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ScarletFever
Africentric's Booster Club Prez
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Posted February 22nd, 2012 04:29 PM IP
^ I just don't think there's a great answer anymore, baseball is depressing. It's such a great sport if your team has a solid chance to win every year. However that's only true of the top 8 $ markets in baseball.
Some of those $ markets screw it up from time to time... but you can't out stupid the almighty dollar year after year.
Last year hurt. We got off to a start that will keep Tired Acta here for a couple of years, plus we gave away great young pitching to get a (probably) past his flash in the pan prime flake of a starter. I'm not too pumped.
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BGSUGA
NOSF Insider
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Posted February 24th, 2012 04:17 PM IP
Just saw where Grady has a strained back and won't be ready for opening day....so it begins again!
"Brick walls are there for a reason. They let us prove how badly we want things." Randy Pausch
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Tater44857us
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Posted February 24th, 2012 04:25 PM IP
Another $5 mil down the drain. Between Sizemore and Hafner this team can't afford mistakes on contracts.
Say what you mean, Mean what you say..
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Dr. Torch
Automatic Mojo
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Posted February 25th, 2012 10:37 PM IP
who sits for 5 weeks with a strained back? wtf did he strain it with a meathook?
roids have eaten this kid from the inside out, sad
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BGSUGA
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Posted February 26th, 2012 02:21 PM IP
Chris Perez now out 4-6 weeks...should be back by opening day. I'm not holding my breath.
"Brick walls are there for a reason. They let us prove how badly we want things." Randy Pausch
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GHS 1999
All-County
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Posted February 27th, 2012 06:26 PM IP
I wouldn't hold my breath. Every time we hear oblique, it ends up being a MUCH longer injury.
GO TIGERS!
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jake
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Posted February 29th, 2012 11:13 AM IP
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ScarletFever wrote:
^ I just don't think there's a great answer anymore, baseball is depressing. It's such a great sport if your team has a solid chance to win every year. However that's only true when Mr. Jacobs was the owner, and not Mr. Dolan |
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Ron Mexico
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Posted February 29th, 2012 12:18 PM IP
I will say though that Dick Jacobs was lucky in the fact that they were basically the only game in town. the Browns had left just as the Indians were becoming a force , even though the Cavs moved downtown they weren't very good or entertaining, the Indians got a new stadium, and the city wa starving for a winner. this all came together into a perfect storm that sold out Jacobs field every night and gave the Indians a lot of revenue to spend. I think that if Dolan had the same situation he would spend more as well.
plus like I have been saying I think there is a little revisionist history going when it comes to the Indians of the 90s. the majority of their top players still either came from their own organization or came from trades that pulled players from other organizations minor league organizations. Belle, Ramirez, Thome, Nagy, Wright, Colon, Sexson, Giles all came from the Indians minor league system. Baerga, S. Alomar, Lofton, Brian Anderson, Karsay Justice, Grissom, Williams, Fryman , Bip Roberts, Bob Wickman, David Segui, Harold Bains all came in trades. the payroll did steadily go up but the only big free agent signings were R. Alomar, Jack McDowell(big by money only), resigning Lofton, and Juan Gone(only for 1 season). the rest of the free agent signings were guys like Eddie Murray, Dennis Martinez, Oral Hershisher, Paul Sorrento, Julio Franco, Wil Cordero, Shaun Dunston, Kevin Mitchell, Ellis Burks who were relatively cheap guys with most at the end of their careers. the Indians still lost Belle, Ramirez, and Thome to higher bidders and were out bid for free agents like Clemens, Mussina, Knoblauch, Brian Jordan, John Smoltz, David Wells, etc...
the Indians have always been and organization that developed from with in , tried to keep those guys for as long as possible, and tried to win in that window
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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jake
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Posted March 1st, 2012 01:15 PM IP
Cavs were 47-35 3 of the 5 years during the mid-90s, and 43-39 and 42-40 respectively the other two years. I realize the latter numbers are hovering mediocrity, but the other 3 weren't. Browns were there until completion of 95 season(in which Tribe had completed 100-40, and first WS appearance since 1954). I will agree some other things played into Tribe's hands, but Jacobs made it happen. Dolan is just a man consumed by fear, and fear is never a recipe for success.
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theAteam
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Posted March 1st, 2012 05:51 PM IP
What are the incentives that would kick in if Grady were to hit 450 plate appearances?
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jake wrote:
A trade that doesn't involve cash and a player to be named later?
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
Scarlet, I looked at the list of all players drafted by Cleveland last year. I have never seen so many 5-9 to 5-11 kids on a list of athletes in my life. I'd much rather take a chance on a 6-1 to 6-3 position player that due to his body type might develop some power as opposed to a bunch of Punch and Judy hitters that will never hit more than five home runs in a given year.
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You don't need a bunch of guys that hit 40 homers a year. You need a bunch of guys who can get on base and can steal some bases.
Take a nap at the ball game, catching up on some Z's. Buy me a five hour energy, take a nap with Hernandez and Ken Griffey. Snooze, snooze, snooze 'cause it's boring...if I wake up it is a shame. For it's 3, 4, 5 hours long at the old ball game.
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theAteam
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Posted March 1st, 2012 05:59 PM IP
Sizemore out 8-12 weeks after having back surgery, rofl.
Take a nap at the ball game, catching up on some Z's. Buy me a five hour energy, take a nap with Hernandez and Ken Griffey. Snooze, snooze, snooze 'cause it's boring...if I wake up it is a shame. For it's 3, 4, 5 hours long at the old ball game.
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GHS 1999
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Posted March 1st, 2012 08:45 PM IP
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theAteam wrote:
Sizemore out 8-12 weeks after having back surgery, rofl.
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Well I guess whoever wins the left field job will be playing for a VERY long stretch. Such a shame to see Grady falling apart like this.
GO TIGERS!
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 01:06 AM IP
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theAteam wrote:
What are the incentives that would kick in if Grady were to hit 450 plate appearances?rofl:You don't need a bunch of guys that hit 40 homers a year. You need a bunch of guys who can get on base and can steal some bases.
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Give us a list of all the Division Title winners that had nothing but "guys who can get on base and steal bases".
I don't won't 40 home run guys, not many can pass drug tests. Just a few that will hit 20-25.
BTW, why do you suppose Sizemore and Haffner's bodies have broken down prematurely?
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tigeralum01
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 07:57 AM IP
I hope they give Shelly Duncan a shot. Dude has pop
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jake
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 10:53 AM IP
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Such a shame to see Grady falling apart like this.
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When you sucker the Tribe into $5mil and have Brittany Binger to boot, what shame?
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Ron Mexico
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 11:29 AM IP
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well you are flat out wrong...stick to the Dodgers
Jon Hart and the player developement made it happen...Dick Jacobs was willing to spend because he was making money
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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jake
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 11:41 AM IP
And these guys were hired by........?
Regardless, I again use the premise one has to spend money to make money. I think any (good/successful)owner of any business would agree.
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da24
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 11:44 AM IP
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When you sucker the Tribe into $5mil and have Brittany Binger to boot, what shame?
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Yeah we covered that in the general discussion but at least we have some reason for him having a bad back.
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Pronkville
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 01:48 PM IP
Grady is a Glass House and Justin Masterson was named the Opening Day starter and good for him...dude has power and is a beast. Looking more and more like a great trade for him...lets hope these pitchers get some run support.
I have really been cheering for Russ Canzler to get the LF job...he has been hitting pretty well thus far in the Spring.
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galion
All-State
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 02:30 PM IP
Is Fausto, or whatever the hell is name is now, still playing? Under the circumstances I was not sure if he'd be granted another visa.
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GHS 1999
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 04:42 PM IP
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Pronkville wrote:
Grady is a Glass House and Justin Masterson was named the Opening Day starter and good for him...dude has power and is a beast. Looking more and more like a great trade for him...lets hope these pitchers get some run support.
I have really been cheering for Russ Canzler to get the LF job...he has been hitting pretty well thus far in the Spring.
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It sure looks like Canzler and or Shelley Duncan figure to benefit from Sizemore's latest injury. I wonder if they'll make a trade before opening day.
GO TIGERS!
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hafner_for_mvp
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Posted March 5th, 2012 12:45 AM IP
Hello again gentlemen. Got a little bored and figured I'd swing by here again. Probably to the disdain of some  . I promise to try to be nice though!
I agree that the Indians farm system is the weakest it has been in quite some time. But it may not be as bad as what it appears. There are very few upper level prospects who are threatening to make an impact, but some of that can be attributed to the fact that the likes of Chisenhall, Kipnis, Donald, Hagadone, and even Cord Phelps have spent time with the Indians and will be the mother club to start the season. The Clippers should be strong again this year simply because it will be littered with guys who have major league experience. The consensus seems to be that the lower levels of the system is loaded with guys of intrigue and upside which could allow the system as a whole to rise in the rankings before the season is over! Lets hope anyway.
I agree with Pronk. Canzler is very interesting and is crushing the ball early on. Hopefully he gets a good look to make the team out of camp.
I'm inclined to think that Duncan has the inside track on the LF job though, unless someone else absolutely goes crazy these next three weeks. I don't mind him, he is what he is. He definitely has some value but ideally isn't the guy you want manning an every day job on what should be a quality team because he is extremely streaky.
A bold prediction of mine is that Jason Donald plays a prominent role with the team this year, in whatever capacity it may be. Not saying he slugs .500 or hits 25 HR, but he could be a very useful piece especially if someone gets hurt.
And for whatever it's worth, Paul Hoynes thinks the team very well may make a move to bring in another outfielder. I have no idea what it will be, but it doesn't make much sense due to the log jam of outfielders unless it is a clear cut upgrade. Not sure if that guy is out there.
Take care guys! And Go Tribe.
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ScarletFever
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Posted March 5th, 2012 12:49 AM IP
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hafner_for_mvp wrote:
A bold prediction of mine is that Jason Donald plays a prominent role with the team this year, in whatever capacity it may be.
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I thought the same thing for this year.
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