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basketball77
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 Posted January 2nd, 2012 06:52 PM IP   
I thought this was the year the tribe was supposse to make a splash in Free agency?
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John14_6
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Posted January 2nd, 2012 09:10 PM IP
Belly Flop is more like it.
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erie warrior
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Posted January 3rd, 2012 11:18 AM IP
Indians plunge into the free agent market consists of rehabing sore-armed pitchers attempting a comeback, players that never were and well be's, or aging veterans that are hoping to make a comeback and the Indians can trade at the end of July for more prospects, I mean suspects. Things won't change until the Dolan's are gone.
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John14_6
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Posted January 5th, 2012 10:33 PM IP
Indians sign Brooks Robinson and Miguel Tejada to strengthen their infield!
Oh wait. They signed Robinson Tejada.
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BHSalum
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Posted January 6th, 2012 12:13 AM IP
You mean they missed out on Miguel Brooks?
Barack Hussein Obama: living proof that anyone can become President of the United States.
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tigeralum01
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Posted January 6th, 2012 08:14 AM IP
Mel Brooks?? YES!!
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Ron Mexico
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Posted January 12th, 2012 01:03 PM IP
by the Indians going out and making that deal for Jimenez they really put themselves in a 2 year window to try and win...that being said it sounds like Cubs are desperate to unload Soriano and will be willing to pay 40 mil of the 54 mil he is owed over the next 3 years. he is pretty much a DH at this point in his career but would anyone be interested if the Indians could get him on the cheap for some right handed pop? maybe a DH platoon with a guy like him and Hafner could be somewhat productive? wouldn't want to give up much to get Soriano but maybe on the cheap
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Pronkville
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Posted January 12th, 2012 05:15 PM IP
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by the Indians going out and making that deal for Jimenez they really put themselves in a 2 year window to try and win...that being said it sounds like Cubs are desperate to unload Soriano and will be willing to pay 40 mil of the 54 mil he is owed over the next 3 years. he is pretty much a DH at this point in his career but would anyone be interested if the Indians could get him on the cheap for some right handed pop? maybe a DH platoon with a guy like him and Hafner could be somewhat productive? wouldn't want to give up much to get Soriano but maybe on the cheap
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I would be all for it, also read today the Indians are in on Carlos Pena, they have went to ownership to see if they could make a deal work.
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Ron Mexico
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Posted January 13th, 2012 12:25 PM IP
another lefty bat but some much needed pop and quality defense at 1st would be nice.
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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tigeralum01
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Posted January 13th, 2012 12:57 PM IP
Pena and Soriano have terrible BA.
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Ron Mexico
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Posted January 18th, 2012 04:18 PM IP
batting average is overrated....the problem with Soriano is he doesn't steal bases anymore and his obp has dropped as well. you can live with a guy hitting .225 like Pena because he is hitting homeruns, driving in runs, taking walks, and scoring runs(but that has a lot to do with the guys hitting behind him). Pena was also 45th in baseball in ops which clearly isn't adding Puljos but every little bit helps
Soriano maybe at the end of the road just seemed like some right handed power the Indians maybe able to get on the cheap. he probably isn't really worth looking at
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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ScarletFever
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Posted January 22nd, 2012 12:19 AM IP
Indians ESPN insider Olney blog article:
Cleveland Indians general manager Chris Antonetti sounded cautiously optimistic over the phone early Thursday afternoon, answering questions about the work that Ubaldo Jimenez has put in this offseason, about the rotation, and about how the Indians could see the evolution of their young team.
But it wasn't long after that conversation that news broke of the arrest of Fausto Carmona, who may or may not be Fausto Carmona, and may or may not be 28 years old. There is still a lot that the Indians don't know about this case, including whether Carmona will pitch for them in 2012, or ever again.
From the Indians' perspective, the best course of action is probably to assume that Carmona won't pitch this year. Whether he's innocent or guilty, he is now stuck in a legal web that may take months or years to untangle.
But the loss of Carmona -- and that's how we'll refer to him in this column, for the sake of simplicity -- is not equivalent to what the Tigers experienced earlier this week, with the injury to Victor Martinez.
Carmona showed a devastating sinker in 2007, helping the Indians come within one game of advancing to the World Series, but he has had extraordinary difficulty consistently harnessing that pitch since then; he's been completely unpredictable from start to start, suddenly and inexplicably losing command. On May 8 of last year, Carmona had a 3.83 ERA, and over the last three-quarters of the season, he posted a 5.71 ERA. He had a 2.53 ERA in July, and a 7.26 ERA in September.
But unlike in 2008 or 2009, the Indians aren't counting on Carmona to be a front-of-the-rotation guy; they've got two other guys who could qualify as aces. Justin Masterson has established command to both sides of the strike zone, rival scouts say, and he climbed into the second tier of pitchers in the AL last season.
Last July, the Indians traded Alex White and Drew Pomeranz -- their two top pitching prospects -- for Jimenez, who posted a 5.10 ERA in his last 11 starts. After the year was over, Jimenez met with the Cleveland staff and told them he really felt that his 2011 season veered off course early, after he suffered a groin injury, because it affected the strength the lower half of his body, and that, in turn, impacted his delivery.
After hearing this, the Indians arranged for Nelson Perez, an assistant strength and conditioning coach, to go to the Dominican Republic to work with extensively with Jimenez (and Carmona). Jimenez made one start in winter ball before being taken down by a flu, and he decided to focus on his work with Perez rather than resume pitching for Tigres del Licey. "All reports have been really good," Antonetti said.
Josh Tomlin (4.25, 12-7 last year) and newly acquired Derek Lowe are also expected to be part of the rotation, and Jeanmar Gomez is among the candidates to replace Carmona, if necessary. And remember, Cleveland had the best bullpen ERA in the AL Central in 2011, and should have a good bullpen again.
On offense, the Indians are waiting on the first-base market to settle, and in the end, they could wind up with Carlos Pena or Casey Kotchman. No matter who they sign, the Tribe should expect a more potent lineup. Asdrubal Cabrera, who turned 26 in November, had a breakthrough season in 2011, but Shin-Soo Choo had a frustrating, injury-plagued year, and injuries hindered Grady Sizemore and Michael Brantley, as well. Jason Kipnis is established at second base, and Lonnie Chisenhall emerged at third base. Carlos Santana rebounded from a devastating knee injury to post an .835 OPS in the second half.
The Indians' lineup could look something like this:
LF Brantley
SS Cabrera
RF Choo
C Santana
CF Sizemore
1B Pena/Kotchman?
DH Travis Hafner
2B Kipnis
3B Chisenhall
You'll note: Right now, Hafner is the only regular who is older than 30. This is a very young team that's getting better, in what should be an extremely competitive AL Central. The Tigers are the defending champions, anchored by the best pitcher on the planet in Justin Verlander and one of the best hitters in Miguel Cabrera; the Royals might have the most potent offense, and are hopeful that Jonathan Sanchez will help stabilize the rotation; the White Sox are going through a transition, around Alexei Ramirez and Paul Konerko; and the Twins are expecting more from Joe Mauer and their rotation. Cleveland can win this division, with or without Carmona.
Carmona was detained outside the U.S. consulate. The Indians hold contractual options for 2013 and 2014.
The Indians signed Jeremy Accardo.
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Ron Mexico
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Posted January 22nd, 2012 12:13 PM IP
there are a bunch of IFs surrounding the Indians upcoming season but if some things break their way they could have a pretty good season. the Tigers are the clear favorite but the White Sox and Twins have taken steps back....on the other hand the Royals could be ready to take a step or 2 forward.
the Tigers have one of not they elite pitcher and one if not the elite hitter in the game but have holes at 2b, 3b, rf, and now dh. with Scherzer and Porcello live up to potential? is Fister the guy we saw last year? will he have a slump so many pitchers have after throwing over 200 innings for the 1st time? will Peralta stay productive?
for the Indians can Jimenez stay consistant? does Lowe have anything left? are Kipnis and Chisenhall ready to be everyday players? was last season's Cabrera the reall Asdrubal Cabrera? can Choo bounce back? will they get anything out of Sizemore. will Hafner be a contributer? who plays 1b? will Santana take the next step?
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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John14_6
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Posted January 27th, 2012 10:57 AM IP
Add Dan Wheeler to the Tribe's big offseason. 
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Pronkville
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Posted January 31st, 2012 10:18 AM IP
Indians get Russ Canzler from TB for Cash Considerations.
I love this move, guy was the AAA MVP last year, out of Durham.
Hit .318 with 18 hrs, 84 rbi's and 40 doubles.
I like this move for the Indians. Canzler is an interesting hitter to throw into the mix. Could be strong low-level add with high upside.
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galion
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Posted January 31st, 2012 10:24 AM IP
This is why I've already got my tickets.
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Pronkville
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Posted January 31st, 2012 10:28 AM IP
Canzler was IL MVP at AAA Durham in '11, batting .314 (149-474) with 40 2B,18HR & 83 RBI in 131 gms(.401OB/.530SLG/.931OPS)
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tigeralum01
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Posted January 31st, 2012 10:46 AM IP
Tribe giving up on Laporta?
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galion
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Posted January 31st, 2012 05:32 PM IP
They did that last year. The more pressing question is what will they do with Santana. He can't catch and Hafner will dh.
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Ron Mexico
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Posted February 1st, 2012 12:07 PM IP
my guess is Santana will split time between catcher and 1B again but after the Indians buy out Hafner at the end of the year he will become the full time DH
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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tigeralum01
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Posted February 2nd, 2012 09:26 AM IP
Hafner can still be useful to the Tribe if he can stay healthy
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Tater44857us
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Posted February 2nd, 2012 12:08 PM IP
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Hafner can still be useful to the Tribe IF he can stay healthy
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That is a mighty big IF. My aunt would be my uncle if she had balls too.
Say what you mean, Mean what you say..
"The concern is not whether you have failed, but whether you are content with your failure."
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tigeralum01
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Posted February 2nd, 2012 12:23 PM IP
he played 94 games in 09, 118 in 2010 and 94 in 2011.
not too optimistic I know.
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John14_6
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Posted February 2nd, 2012 08:26 PM IP
Kotchman headed to the Erie Warriors.
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Pronkville
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Posted February 2nd, 2012 08:30 PM IP
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Kotchman headed to the Erie Warriors.
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1 year, 3 million.
Stupid signing if you ask me.
LaPorta seems to be toast!
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Dr. Torch
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Posted February 2nd, 2012 11:19 PM IP
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1 year, 3 million.
Stupid signing if you ask me.
LaPorta seems to be toast!
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toast is always warm and hits the spot, it's always there to pick up the slack at the plate
LaPorta is nothing like toast, he's more like watermelon rind; a mouthful of crisp bitterness punctuated only occasionally by the hint of something resembling actual sweetness, so that total refreshment is ever elusive, even when the mouth is completely dry.
least we didn't trade anyone to get him
wait a minute...
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Ron Mexico
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Posted February 4th, 2012 01:50 PM IP
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1 year, 3 million.
Stupid signing if you ask me.
LaPorta seems to be toast!
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not sure why it would be a stupid signing....they need a 1B and he was the best available. if the Indians want to focus on pitching and defense then a guy like Kotchman will help for sure at 1B
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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td truckers
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Posted February 6th, 2012 12:59 PM IP
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not sure why it would be a stupid signing....they need a 1B and he was the best available. if the Indians want to focus on pitching and defense then a guy like Kotchman will help for sure at 1B
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Yes, he was the best available 1b ... in February, weeks before spring training (Yes Fielder was available late January, but he was never in their range).
Another mediocre off-season by Tribe brass, a yearly tradition since 2007-08 when they decided to sit on their hands after coming 4-5 innings short of reaching the World Series.
"If you're my enemy and you're by the side of the road with a flat tire, and it's 20 below zero, I'm going to stop and throw a gallon of water on you and keep going."
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Ron Mexico
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Posted February 6th, 2012 02:32 PM IP
it wasn't a deep FA market at 1B to begin with and you could cross off Puljos and Fielder off the list to begin with so it was either Pena or Kotchman. it sounds as if they went after Pena...how hard and how much they were willing to spend I couldn't tell you...but when he went back to Tampa Kotchman was all they were left with. I am not saying that he is an amazing signing but it makes sense as they don't have man swing and miss guys on their pitching staff so you want guys who can defend their position and Kotchman can do that. if he can hit .306 and have an OBP of .378 like last season then they did pretty well for the money they spent
as for their offseason in general it was pretty mediocre but they really. they filled an outfield spot by resigning Grady and 1B with Kotchman. nothing exciting about adding Lowe and Slowey...guys who have had success in the past but neither looked very good last season.
really though you can go back to when the team started to win in 94 and they did make many off season splashes then either. you have the Lofton trade that brought Justice and Grissom...the trade to get Matt Williams....trading Matt Williams to Get Fryman and Tom Martin...I guess you could count acquiring Omar but I don't think that was expected to be as big as it was. as far as signings go you have Robbie Alomar, resigning Lofton, wasted money on McDowell, one year deal on Juan Gone on a 1 yr deal off the worst year in his career. other than that it is a long line of guys at the end of their careers.
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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