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Pronkville
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 Posted September 28th, 2011 02:43 PM IP   
Well...after today the Indians will pack up shop and head home. We had a lot of bright spots and I think they out weighed the negative. We have a young nucleus that excelled this year, next year I would imagine they will slump...lets hope not.
If Ron Mexico could hook us up with the list of FA's available this off-season that would be awesome. I am interested in his thoughts for the team.
The Indians showed signs of wanting to win with some of their deadline moves this year, I am wondering if that will carry over?
I would love to see us go all out for guys like Prince Fielder and Jose Reyes....Maybe add another arm and and continue building up the bullpen.
I am also interested in knowing what will happen with Sizemore...
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galion
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Posted September 28th, 2011 02:50 PM IP
I think Fausto has an option for next season as well I wonder if they pick that one up. After seeing how next season's schedule shakes out I'll definitely be buying my Sun home package again next season.
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Big Dogg
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Posted October 29th, 2011 09:15 PM IP
Word in Cleveland is that the Indians declined Sizemore's option and will try to sign him to a 1 year incentive laden contract.
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Tater44857us
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Posted October 31st, 2011 11:26 AM IP
It's official..Sizemore has his option declined, Carmona's picked up
Say what you mean, Mean what you say..
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tigeralum01
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Posted October 31st, 2011 01:14 PM IP
The Atlanta Braves have traded Derek Lowe to the Cleveland Indians, sources tell ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.
Lowe was traded for left-handed pitcher Chris Jones, a source familiar with the trade told The Associated Press. The teams are expected to announce the trade later Monday, the source said.
The Braves are eating all but $5 million of the $15 million remaining on the last year of Lowe's contract, sources told Olney.
Lowe went 9-17 with a 5.05 ERA in 34 appearances for the Braves in 2011. The 15-year veteran right-hander has a career record of 166-146 with a 3.94 ERA.
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Pronkville
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Posted October 31st, 2011 01:17 PM IP
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tigeralum01 wrote:
The Atlanta Braves have traded Derek Lowe to the Cleveland Indians, sources tell ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney.
Lowe was traded for left-handed pitcher Chris Jones, a source familiar with the trade told The Associated Press. The teams are expected to announce the trade later Monday, the source said.
The Braves are eating all but $5 million of the $15 million remaining on the last year of Lowe's contract, sources told Olney.
Lowe went 9-17 with a 5.05 ERA in 34 appearances for the Braves in 2011. The 15-year veteran right-hander has a career record of 166-146 with a 3.94 ERA.
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Why? Why Cleveland? This is the crap I don't get. We pick up the option on an awful pitcher and then we trade for another one in Derek Lowe.
I am convinced this team will NEVER win!
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Tater44857us
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Posted October 31st, 2011 01:18 PM IP
Typical Indians aquisition..A retread pitcher who they "hope" will benefit by a change of scenery. Is anyone excited by this announcement?
Say what you mean, Mean what you say..
"The concern is not whether you have failed, but whether you are content with your failure."
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td truckers
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Posted October 31st, 2011 01:20 PM IP
Quote:
Pronkville wrote:
Why? Why Cleveland? This is the crap I don't get. We pick up the option on an awful pitcher and then we trade for another one in Derek Lowe.
I am convinced this team will NEVER win!
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Saw this from another site if it makes you feel better:
It's easy to focus on Lowe's ERA of 5.05 last season, but Lowe brings some very important qualities to the Indians pitching staff. Carlos Carrasco is already gone to Tommy John surgery, which means Justin Masterson, Fausto Carmona and Josh Tomlin are the only pitchers with more than 70 innings pitched for the Indians last season. Carmona's ERA was worse than Lowe and Tomlin is still young. Simply put, the Indians need a veteran innings eater and Lowe is a great addition for the price.
Lowe led the NL in games started last season and he's been a proven workhorse for the last decade. Just last year, his ERA was a full point lower so there's no reason to think he can't bounce back a bit. He's not going to be the pitcher who had a 2.58 ERA for Boston a decade before, but he's definitely a strong ground ball pitcher who can help anchor the rotation and stop the bleeding of the unpredictability of young arms who tax easily or the injuries to guys like Carrasco.
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ScarletFever
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Posted October 31st, 2011 01:27 PM IP
I don't mind Lowe since we didn't trade much for him and Braves paid some $.
Wish we'd have cut fausto though.
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td truckers
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Posted October 31st, 2011 01:30 PM IP
I can't completely blame them for retaining Fausto and I know why they did it, but I think they are hoping against hope.
They are unwilling to give up on that wreck, hoping to uncover that magical 19-8 season form from 2007 that every once in a while shows up still. I don't think it will ever happen again, but I begrudgingly understand why a small market team won't give up on him.
"If you're my enemy and you're by the side of the road with a flat tire, and it's 20 below zero, I'm going to stop and throw a gallon of water on you and keep going."
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td truckers
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Posted October 31st, 2011 01:47 PM IP
Lowe was acquired for LHP Chris Jones and cash.
"If you're my enemy and you're by the side of the road with a flat tire, and it's 20 below zero, I'm going to stop and throw a gallon of water on you and keep going."
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Pronkville
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Posted October 31st, 2011 02:21 PM IP
Ok, I have thought over this Lowe trade after reading up on some things.
Gave up a low level prospect and gives us a possible low risk-high reward opportunity.
Derek Lowe can eat innings which can be good for our pen, could end up being a decent 5th starter.
Makes me believe with the excellent depth at pitching in our minors system the Indians are not done!
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galion
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Posted October 31st, 2011 09:30 PM IP
Well it doesn't look like CC's opting out to come back to Clev. I'm shocked.
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John14_6
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Posted November 1st, 2011 03:07 AM IP
A Chad Ogea deal could be finalized and announced any day now.
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jake
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Posted November 1st, 2011 06:55 AM IP
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I am convinced this team will NEVER win!
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Never say never.
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Ron Mexico
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Posted November 1st, 2011 12:28 PM IP
I don't know that the Lowe trade will help a lot but it certainly doesn't hurt. like some have said l9ow risk deal that probably will have a medium reward but there is a slight chance it could be high reward.
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Ron Mexico
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Posted November 1st, 2011 12:31 PM IP
free agents
Player Club
First Basemen
Russell Branyan LAA
Jorge Cantu SD
Prince Fielder MIL
Brad Hawpe SD
Eric Hinske ATL *
Ross Gload PHI
Nick Johnson CLE
Derrek Lee BAL
Xavier Nady ARI
David Ortiz BOS
Lyle Overbay PIT
Carlos Pena CHC
Albert Pujols STL
Jim Thome MIN
Second Basemen
Clint Barmes HOU
Willie Bloomquist ARI *
Orlando Cabrera CLE
Robinson Cano NYY *
Jamey Carroll LAD
Luis Castillo NYM
Alex Cora WAS
Craig Counsell MIL
Mark Ellis OAK
Carlos Guillen DET
Jerry Hairston Jr. MIL
Aaron Hill ARI *
Omar Infante FLA
Joe Inglett HOU
Kelly Johnson TOR
Adam Kennedy SEA
Felipe Lopez TB
Jose Lopez FLA
Aaron Miles LAD
Brandon Phillips CIN *
Shortstops
Yuniesky Betancourt MIL *
Ronny Cedeno PIT
Adam Everett CLE
Rafael Furcal LAD
Alex Gonzalez ATL
Cesar Izturis BAL
John McDonald TOR
Augie Ojeda ARI
Jose Reyes NYM
Nick Punto STL
Edgar Renteria CIN
Jose Reyes NYM
Jimmy Rollins PHI
Ramon Santiago DET
Marco Scutaro BOS *
Jack Wilson SEA
Third Basemen
Wilson Betemit DET
Casey Blake LAD *
Eric Chavez NYY
Mark DeRosa SF
Greg Dobbs PHI
Edwin Encarnacion TOR *
Wes Helms FLA
Melvin Mora ARI
Aramis Ramirez CHC
Miguel Tejada SF
Omar Vizquel CWS
Catchers
Rod Barajas LAD
Henry Blanco ARI
Ramon Castro CWS
Ryan Doumit PIT
Ramon Hernandez CIN
Jason Kendall KC
Gerald Laird STL
Jose Molina TOR
Yadier Molina STL *
Dioner Navarro LAD
Jorge Posada NYY
Ivan Rodriguez WAS
Brian Schneider PHI
Kelly Shoppach TB *
Chris Snyder PIT *
Matt Treanor KC
Jason Varitek BOS
Outfielders
Bobby Abreu LAA *
Rick Ankiel WAS
Carlos Beltran SF
Milton Bradley SEA
Pat Burrell SF
Mike Cameron BOS
Coco Crisp OAK
Michael Cuddyer MIN
Jack Cust SEA
Johnny Damon TB
David DeJesus OAK
J.D. Drew BOS
Kosuke Fukudome CHC
Jonny Gomes CIN
Gabe Gross OAK
Vladimir Guerrero BAL
Scott Hairston NYM
Willie Harris NYM
Raul Ibanez PHI
Conor Jackson OAK
Andruw Jones NYY
Austin Kearns CLE
Jason Kubel MIN
Ryan Ludwick SD
Hideki Matsui OAK
Nate McLouth ATL *
Jason Michaels HOU
Laynce Nix WAS
Magglio Ordonez DET
Juan Pierre CWS
Juan Rivera TOR
Cody Ross SF
Grady Sizemore CLE *
Matt Stairs WAS
Nick Swisher NYY *
Marcus Thames LAD
Josh Willingham OAK
Starting Pitchers
Mark Buehrle CWS
Bruce Chen KC
Aaron Cook COL *
Kyle Davies TOR
Ryan Dempster CHC *
Justin Duchscherer OAK
Zach Duke ARI *
Jeff Francis KC
Freddy Garcia NYY
Jon Garland LAD
Aaron Harang SD
Rich Harden OAK
Livan Hernandez WAS
Edwin Jackson STL
Kenshin Kawakami ATL
Scott Kazmir LAA
Hiroki Kuroda LAD
Rodrigo Lopez CHC
Paul Maholm PIT
John Maine COL
Jason Marquis WAS
Kevin Millwood NYY
Scott Olsen PIT *
Roy Oswalt PHI *
Brad Penny DET
Oliver Perez NYM
Joel Pineiro LAA
CC Sabathia NYY (may opt out)
Carlos Silva NYY
Javier Vazquez FLA
Adam Wainwright STL *
Tim Wakefield BOS
Chien-Ming Wang WAS
Brandon Webb ARI
C.J. Wilson TEX
Chris Young NYM
Relief Pitchers
Danys Baez PHI
Miguel Batista STL
Heath Bell SD
Blaine Boyer
Jonathan Broxton LAD
Shawn Camp TOR
Matt Capps MIN
Todd Coffey MIL
Clay Condrey MIN
Francisco Cordero CIN *
Lance Cormier TB
Juan Cruz TB
Octavio Dotel STL *
Kyle Farnsworth TB *
Randy Flores NYY
Frank Francisco TOR
Ryan Franklin STL
Jason Frasor CWS *
Chad Gaudin WAS
Mike Gonzalez TEX
John Grabow CHC
LaTroy Hawkins MIL
Brad Lidge PHI *
Scott Linebrink ATL
Javier Lopez SF
Ryan Madson PHI
Damaso Marte NYY *
Sergio Mitre NYY
Joe Nathan MIN *
Hideki Okajima BOS
Darren Oliver TEX
Jonathan Papelbon BOS
Joel Peralta TB
Chad Qualls SD *
Jon Rauch TOR *
Chris Ray TEX
Dennys Reyes BOS
Arthur Rhodes TEX *
Fernando Rodney LAA
Francisco Rodriguez MIL
George Sherrill ATL
Rafael Soriano NYY (may opt out)
Brian Tallet TOR
Koji Uehara TEX *
Jose Valverde DET
Tyler Walker WAS
Kerry Wood CHC
Jamey Wright SEA
Michael Wuertz OAK
Joel Zumaya DET
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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tigeralum01
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Posted November 1st, 2011 12:56 PM IP
Just a quick glance at the list but free agency seems very short on big impact players- minus fielder and pujols.
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Pronkville
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Posted November 1st, 2011 01:23 PM IP
My Wish List for the Tribe off that list would be:
Brad Hawpe
Aramis Ramirez
Omar Infante
Ryan Dempster
and maybe a couple of those relief pitchers.
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BHSalum
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Posted November 1st, 2011 01:34 PM IP
Tigers have already exercised a team option for Valverde.
Ramon Santiago will likely be re-signed, depending on what action DD takes in the 2B-3B free-agent market (still would probably be re-signed, being a capable backup at more than one position).
I thought that Wilson Betemit was doing well until his injury, but he seemed to fall out of favor with the front office.
Magglio is probably finished playing, might have some other role with the team--?
Brad Penny is available to whomever wants him!
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OSU Josh
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Posted November 1st, 2011 01:56 PM IP
I wonder who will be the next participant in the Indians "welcome back" program. Maybe one of these guys from the above FA list?
Omar Vizquel
Casey Blake
John McDonald
Brandon Phillips
Coco Crisp
Milton Bradley
Kelly Shoppach
Jamey Carroll
Kevin Millwood
Alex Cora
Arthur Rhodes
Joe Inglett
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tigeralum01
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Posted November 1st, 2011 02:10 PM IP
phillips option was picked up by the reds
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Pronkville
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Posted November 1st, 2011 04:53 PM IP
I'd actually like to see the Indians take aa run at Carlos Pena or Michael Cuddyer...possibly Ryan Ludwick
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Ron Mexico
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Posted November 1st, 2011 07:44 PM IP
I think I have seen enough of LaPorta to believe he just doesn't have what it takes to succeed at the big league level so if I am the Indians I am looking hard at 1B options.
I would think going into spring training these guys will be locked into their position.
C Santana
2B Kipnis
SS Cabrera
3B Chisenhall
RF Choo
CF Brantley
DH Hafner
I am interested to see what the Indians do in LF and 1B as I don't know that they have many internal options. could see a lot of Santana at 1B I guess
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Pronkville
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Posted November 1st, 2011 09:40 PM IP
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Ron Mexico wrote:
I think I have seen enough of LaPorta to believe he just doesn't have what it takes to succeed at the big league level so if I am the Indians I am looking hard at 1B options.
I would think going into spring training these guys will be locked into their position.
C Santana
2B Kipnis
SS Cabrera
3B Chisenhall
RF Choo
CF Brantley
DH Hafner
I am interested to see what the Indians do in LF and 1B as I don't know that they have many internal options. could see a lot of Santana at 1B I guess
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Ron, what do you think about possibly going after one of those catchers to allow Santana to play more 1B...possibly a Barajas or Hernandez??
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galion
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Posted November 1st, 2011 10:56 PM IP
I'd take Shoppach back at this point.
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OSU Josh
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Posted November 1st, 2011 11:23 PM IP
somehow Asdrubal did not win the AL gold glove for shortstop
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Dr. Torch
Automatic Mojo
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Posted November 1st, 2011 11:36 PM IP
good lord are we still paying travis hafner next year?
pffffffft
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smitty1974
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Posted November 1st, 2011 11:51 PM IP
the ss from the angels won the golden glove and i disagree with that. appently whoever voted did not want asdrubal. i didnt know if media voted or players voted,but if the media voted, the big market papers probably voted against asdrubal.as far as other things go,i would of rather resign grady over fausto. grady if healthy could be exciting again and fausto is like a time boimb ready to go off i will be shocked if fasto has a .500 se4ason or better and picking up 38 year old derek lowe ,time is running out on him,so i will reserve comment on him . so far it looks like another average winter,nothing to get excited about.
i am partial when it comesdown to it.
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galion
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Posted November 2nd, 2011 04:13 AM IP
There's no chance at all that Sizemore stays healthy. The Braves are picking up 10 million of Lowe's 15 Million $$$ salary so he is relatively cheap for a 5th starter. He's a very low risk and worst case scenario he is like a second pitching coach and mentor for some of the younger guys. Fausto will be the third starter and eat up innings like he did this year. He won't win a Cy Young but there are a lot worse options out there.
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