Streak23 All-American Posts: 9169 Registered: Feb 2008
Posted April 28th, 2012 03:54 PM IPI loved our 4th round. Travis is a burner and could be molded into that DeSean Jackson type of player. JMJ is a big physical LB who makes sure tackles.
Ryan Miller was just a solid pick. Loved what he said after he was drafted.
Posted April 28th, 2012 04:30 PM IPwell today's picks are much better then the brain fart they had yesterday...
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TVTimeout All-State
Posts: 2351 Registered: Nov 2005
Posted April 28th, 2012 04:33 PM IPI have no issues with anything the Browns have done. I would have liked to have seen them go after 1 really top notch WR too but there will certainly be lots of them hitting the Free Agent market once teams make cuts. Weeden was the one I wanted....I think the kid (yes at 28 your still a kid) has lots of upside and can at least stretch defenses if given time.
To me, this was a solid draft for the Browns."Get Busy Livin....or get busy dying!"
Streak23 All-American Posts: 9169 Registered: Feb 2008
Posted April 28th, 2012 05:01 PM IPTravis Benjamin highlights.
Fast (4.3 40) elusive, and has nearly a 40" vertical. Sick athlete.
Streak23 All-American Posts: 9169 Registered: Feb 2008
Posted April 28th, 2012 05:20 PM IPI love the Emmanuel Acho pick. Nice LB out of Texas with very good size.
Don't know too much about the DT Billy Winn out of Boise
scout15 All-American
Posts: 7688 Registered: Jun 2007
Posted April 28th, 2012 05:21 PM IPWinn rated pretty high on nfl.com.....2nd round grade
ScarletFever Africentric's Booster Club Prez Posts: 26647 Registered: Apr 2005
Quote: Pronkville wrote:
To say THIS Front office is bottom 10 is a joke.
If you're allowed to over react then so am I.
Ravens, Steelers & Bengals all are grading better than Cleveland and we had LOWER AND BETTER PICKS than all of those teams.
All these promises of world titles and how awesome our players and trades were over the past 8 years with Cleveland teams I've read here have usually turned into smoke.
Our 3rd round pick was a total joke, you said it yourself. Inexcusable to get him there.Follow @scarletfever99
Posted April 28th, 2012 06:09 PM IPI agree that it was inexcusable but it is what it is and we have to deal with it and pray it works out for us.
Streak23 All-American Posts: 9169 Registered: Feb 2008
Posted April 28th, 2012 06:10 PM IP
Overview
Benjamin was a big-play threat at Miami for several years. Initially an electric return specialist, he eventually became an effective pass-catching option. He is undersized but fast enough to get past safeties, and has the route-running savvy to outwork corners, create separation and make plays. His size might limit his pro potential, but many receivers of his stature have succeeded in the NFL. Benjamin has third- to fourth-round value.
Analysis Strengths
Benjamin understands how to get open at the top of routes and can use his explosiveness to his advantage. As a returner, he is a "one cut and go" runner who can break for daylight. The key to his game as a receiver is his ability to get open, and he doesn't shy away from contact. He will be a true deep threat who runs crisp intermediate routes.
ScarletFever Africentric's Booster Club Prez Posts: 26647 Registered: Apr 2005
Posted April 28th, 2012 06:22 PM IPI think our front office is 4th of 4 in our division the past few years. Not a lot they did this year (so far) has changed that. Little to no free agency needs addressed, a lukewarm draft besides TR the first 2 days (today seemed better).
2010 draft
Haden, Ward. After that a lot of ham & egg.
2011 draft
Taylor, Sheard & Little (maybe Pinkston) Cameron and Marecic were odd 4th rounders.
2012 draft
TR great, Weeden ?, Schwartz I've become happier with as the day goes on, Hughes is a total bomb. Even if Hughes is solid, we could have had him round 5 or 6 and picked a WR there.
Pat Shurmur is a grumbling crab *** (Yes, BB was too before he went to New England) but the team got out smarted time and time again last year. Bengals free TD during the home opener, handing the ball off to a backup TE, embarrassing). The front office signed the guy.
I wish our front office was kick ***, but I don't think they are. Hopefully Trent Richardson is so awesome he can overcome the silliness. Weeden will be better than Colt, but that's not that hard to accomplish.
Again though, today's picks and reviews make me feel a bit better. I'm just telling myself we drafted that one lineman that is saying he wants to kick the world's *** in round 3, and Hughes in round 6. Helps the mind.Follow @scarletfever99
Tater44857us All-American Posts: 7073 Registered: Jan 2006
Posted April 28th, 2012 07:43 PM IPBrowns get an overall C+ grade from meSay what you mean, Mean what you say..
"The concern is not whether you have failed, but whether you are content with your failure."
scout15 All-American
Posts: 7688 Registered: Jun 2007
Posted April 28th, 2012 08:06 PM IPI would agree with C+ but if Weeden and Richardson turn out to be elite players than I think we will all view this draft a lot differently.
Tater44857us All-American Posts: 7073 Registered: Jan 2006
Posted April 28th, 2012 08:12 PM IPIts the rest of the draft that had an opportunity to be so much better. That's where the better teams excellSay what you mean, Mean what you say..
"The concern is not whether you have failed, but whether you are content with your failure."
Posted April 28th, 2012 08:13 PM IPkey for the browns is running the football, the defense is going to be stout! but the offense needs to do its job to keep the defense off the field.. and i for one would like to see dawson kick more extra points this year then he does field goals...
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basketball77 All-District
Posts: 300 Registered: Dec 2010
Posted April 28th, 2012 09:07 PM IPI really like the Browns draft the players they got today may not be in ESPN top picks but go to plain dealer the scouting grade on these guys are pretty good like the DT from Boise fun game to watch vs Georgia. Also like LB from Texas his bro was 4th rd pic last year for the cards and started. I love wht I read about G from Col. meany and nasty think Schwartz is the same. Even TE from Bama 6-3 229 say that he was A H back had a great senior year they dont throw to much he could be a find. Just remember 74 Steelers draft had alot of unknowns and we all know what happened< Jack Lambert to small to slow to play NFL and the rest is History. The grade does not mean anything today grade this whole draft in 2-3 years.
browns1987 All-District
Posts: 475 Registered: Jun 2005
Posted April 28th, 2012 09:28 PM IPthe way I look at this draft for the Browns. They were looking to do 3 things with these picks.
1.) Be more physical on both sides of the ball
2.) Stop the run (something they have not done in YEARS!)
3.) Get better at running the ball on offense (more physical running style)The TEAM the TEAM the TEAM-BO SCHEMBECHLER
TVTimeout All-State
Posts: 2351 Registered: Nov 2005
Posted April 28th, 2012 09:31 PM IPThey also showed that they need to THROW the ball downfield and Cold McCoy has basically been shown the door. (Thank God)"Get Busy Livin....or get busy dying!"
galion All-State
Posts: 3477 Registered: Nov 2009
Posted April 28th, 2012 09:36 PM IPThe Browns are not going to run the ball in that division without upgrading their line and significantly upgrading their passing game. Nothing about that draft improved either enough to keep opposing defences from crowding the los or putting extra people in the box. Add to that equation a rookie qb and you'll be fortunate to score as many points as you did last season.
Quote: galion wrote:
The Browns are not going to run the ball in that division without upgrading their line and significantly upgrading their passing game. Nothing about that draft improved either enough to keep opposing defences from crowding the los or putting extra people in the box. Add to that equation a rookie qb and you'll be fortunate to score as many points as you did last season.
i think their line was pretty good last year.. if it stayed healthy i think their run game wouldve been much better, as it was toward the end... and i dont think seneca wallace is going anywhere... i wouldnt be suprised to see him as our opening day QB.. i like his athletic ability, even though he is not the worlds greatest passing QB. he can break down a defense.
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Posts: 217 Registered: Feb 2012
Posted April 28th, 2012 10:16 PM IPI think the browns have improved nicely from a few days ago. i think Trent Richardson will be a stud, and Weeden looks like a decent improvement from McCoy. The line got more depth both on offense and defense. The biggest key is hopefully adding a free agent WR in the second round of free agency. If that happens, the Browns will be better, but not likely to get out of the basement in the AFC North.GO TIGERS!
i think their line was pretty good last year.. if it stayed healthy i think their run game wouldve been much better, as it was toward the end... and i dont think seneca wallace is going anywhere... i wouldnt be suprised to see him as our opening day QB.. i like his athletic ability, even though he is not the worlds greatest passing QB. he can break down a defense.
Ha! What? Wallace is not starting for this football team. If he cannot get on the field before Colt McCoy there is no way he is our opening day starter unless McCoy and Weeden ride together to practice on a motorcycle and wreck it.
Wallace is WORSE than McCoy and when you draft a 28 year old QB like Weeden, in the FIRST ROUND...he is most likely starting.
Willard Fillmore The Bona Fide All American
Posts: 10403 Registered: Dec 2006
Posted April 28th, 2012 11:48 PM IPWeeden WILL be the latest in a long line of starting QBs for the Browns in recent history. He will be the 18th since 1999. That's 18 starting QB's in 14 years. What are the odds Weeden will be any different?13
Dr. Torch Automatic Mojo Posts: 13559 Registered: Oct 2007
Posted April 29th, 2012 12:01 AM IPWallace is not worse than McCoy, and he finished the season as our starter last year.WARNING: LITHIUM NO LONGER AVAILABLE ON CREDIT
"From the forest itself comes the handle for the axe."
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Quote: Dr. Torch wrote:
Wallace is not worse than McCoy, and he finished the season as our starter last year.
Torch, you cannot be serious.
Wallace is far worse and there is a reason Colt was the starting QB.
If Wallace was better he would have been the starter from the beginning. I thought you were smart enough to understand that.
Wallace finished the season as the starter because of McCoy's concussion not because Wallace is better.
TVTimeout All-State
Posts: 2351 Registered: Nov 2005
Posted April 29th, 2012 07:14 AM IPSorry Pronk but I have to agree with the others. I thought Seneca Wallace brought a spark to the offense and I thought he played much better than McCoy. He moved around AND he wasn't afraid to take shots downfield with the passing game. IMO, McCoy was flat out awful."Get Busy Livin....or get busy dying!"
Quote: TVTimeout wrote:
Sorry Pronk but I have to agree with the others. I thought Seneca Wallace brought a spark to the offense and I thought he played much better than McCoy. He moved around AND he wasn't afraid to take shots downfield with the passing game. IMO, McCoy was flat out awful.
What were you watching? Wallace played well enough last season to start for about three other teams in the NFL. You released Steinback(although he was out all season last year anyway) and have yet to find a serviceable replacement. You have Joe Thomas and a decent center. That is not enough to create holes in a defense that doesn't have to respect your passing game. Richardson is a very good back. But you have to wonder how much of his success can be attributed to being surrounded by much better talent than that which he was facing much of the time. That will not be the case in the NFL, particularly not with Clev. Ask Reggie Bush about that. A rookie qb is not going to step onto an NFL field without weapons and perform at any higher level than what you had last season. And before anyone brings up Dalton tell me who your Green is going to be. Without a passing threat to at least keep the defense honest and from loading the box Richardson is going to get abused by this coaching staff.
Wallace is far worse and there is a reason Colt was the starting QB.
If Wallace was better he would have been the starter from the beginning. I thought you were smart enough to understand that.
Wallace finished the season as the starter because of McCoy's concussion not because Wallace is better.
McCoy was only starting because he was an unknown. Who do you think the Steelers would rather face, McCoy or Wallace?
I've been saying since the start of last year that Wallace is a better Qb than McCoy, the numbers don't lie.WARNING: LITHIUM NO LONGER AVAILABLE ON CREDIT
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