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Pronkville
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 Posted February 29th, 2012 07:08 PM IP   
I actually want to know what Browns fans want this team to do. So vote on it and explain...
IMO, the Browns trade or don't trade we have to agree we are in a Win-Win situation, from a Franchise Point of View.
From a Fans perspective, its a damned if you do, damned if you don't. Well at least the no so educated fan...
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Pronkville
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Posted February 29th, 2012 07:12 PM IP
If I am the Browns, I am trading picks #4 and #22, a 3rd rounder and a 5th and a 2nd from Next season. <======Similar to the Giants-Chargers
This QB is getting nothing but Positive endorsements which leads me to believe he is everything as advertised and MORE. Now the Browns never seem to hit a HR, this is their chance to do so...you cannot walk away from a Franchise STAR because a guy like this may not come along for a long time. If this organization is serious about winning, you make this deal.
RG3 is going to be a face to this city and money will be flowing in like crazy.
Regardless what we do, keeping the picks or trading them, we are not going to become INSTANT winners...so if you are in favor of keeping the picks, think about that one.
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MAMMAS-BOY
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Posted February 29th, 2012 07:32 PM IP
That trade package should be for Luck, not RGIII. Too high a price for long term success. Maybe if we had a few more pieces, do it. Because we don't, offer a package like that to Indy for Luck, or stay put and draft best available at #4, even if it is Claiborne. .500 should be the goal for 2012, then fill in the pieces and make your run in 2013. Not popular idea, but whats one more year.
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Dr. Torch
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Posted February 29th, 2012 07:52 PM IP
they should make an offer and let that be the offer, don't get stuck in a bidding war
if you're going to try for RGIII you might as well try for Luck, all they can say is no
personally, I want RGIII but the whole Big-12 defense thing does scare me
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Ezekiel
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Posted February 29th, 2012 08:22 PM IP
What are the odds the Browns brass are sitting down one on one with Phil Taylor and asking him point blank, Colt McCoy or RG3?
Does the team have confidence in McCoy of getting the job done?
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Dr. Torch
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Posted February 29th, 2012 09:04 PM IP
no they don't but that's a seperate issue
there are other options at QB this year in the draft if the asking price for RGIII is too high, and yes it COULD get too high
personally the only QB i can comment on is Kirk Cousins from MSU, i saw them play 4-5 times this year and i thought he was a good prospect...not saying we should sit and camp on him persay, only that if Luck and RGIII are gone by the time the Browns pick there might be some better options than Skeeter in the draft
i think the Osweiler kid is interesting, and i also think Seneca Wallace is a better QB than Skeeter and will beat him out in pre-season anyway...the way i see things the Colt McCoy era is already ov-uh, and Wallace is a more competent caretaker
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BOOMerang
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Posted February 29th, 2012 09:15 PM IP
Some random thoughts on the situation
I'm not a browns fan but if I were I would think the price tag would be too high for a building team. I think the Browns should force the Rams hand.
Either make the redskins make an expensive play, make the rams lower their price, make the rams draft him, or wait for him to fall in your lap at 4-which will happen if the rams or skins don't draft him.
Rams won't trade the pick to the seahawks, and the dolphins are too far down in the draft to make a play unless they add players to their trade offer.
I think either the skins will move up, or the rams will pick him and sell him after/during the draft at a cheaper price.
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theAteam
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Posted March 1st, 2012 01:09 AM IP
I say wait as long as you possibly can (unless STL accepts a 'feeler' offer from us, which isn't going to happen) and see if STL moves out of the number two slot. If they don't, we WILL have the opportunity to draft RG4.4 with the fourth pick, assuming Luck goes first.
IF we could get him without trading any picks, that would do wonders for the franchise IMO. I seem to go back and forth everyday on if we have to give up a lot (IE, something like both firsts this year and a second next year). Yesterday I said do it, today I say no, tomorrow I'll probably say yeah....so it goes.
Torch is right, if we can't get either quarterback, there are other options out there (not to mention Barkley is coming out next season, as well as any others who appear on the scene). See: G.J. Kinne.
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BOOMerang
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 10:20 AM IP
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I say wait as long as you possibly can (unless STL accepts a 'feeler' offer from us, which isn't going to happen) and see if STL moves out of the number two slot. If they don't, we WILL have the opportunity to draft RG4.4 with the fourth pick, assuming Luck goes first.
IF we could get him without trading any picks, that would do wonders for the franchise IMO. I seem to go back and forth everyday on if we have to give up a lot (IE, something like both firsts this year and a second next year). Yesterday I said do it, today I say no, tomorrow I'll probably say yeah....so it goes.
Torch is right, if we can't get either quarterback, there are other options out there (not to mention Barkley is coming out next season, as well as any others who appear on the scene). See: G.J. Kinne.
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Really don't think that is outside of the realm of possibility...I can see the rams asking for so much that even the skins can't pull the trigger, and he falls into the lap of the Browns.
Nothing in Cleveland sports ever happens like that though lol
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Ron Mexico
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 11:27 AM IP
go all out to land RG3
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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jake
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 11:38 AM IP
I believe the Browns' FO kept saying the way to go was to build this team through Draft Picks. Giving up picks to get one on a team with so many needs doesn't cut it for me. And as Torch stated, I'm leery of a Big 12 QB.
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boogiewoogie
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 04:19 PM IP
Im with Jake. Stay at 4.....pick the best player at that spot....The CB from LSU. Add the best WR at 22......and the best remaining Off Tackle in second round.
Try and sign Flynn....
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dwasserm
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 06:04 PM IP
I am not against Matt Flynn, with the few reps he has seen in game action he has shown he can make plays, and since GB runs the same type of offense CLE does, there is no need to have a learning period that RG3 will need. I'm not against trading up for RG3 either. Just depends on the price. I would like to keep 22 if we can.
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GHS 1999
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 07:48 PM IP
Despite their history of bad drafts, I think we need to take the best available player at 4. If that is RG3, great, and if not that's ok. We just really need receivers badly and I think 22 would be a great place to find a good one.
GO TIGERS!
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Pronkville
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 07:57 PM IP
I am all on the Matt Flynn signing train as well but WHAT IF we can't sign him and he would rather go play for Coach Phillibin in Miami?
Then what happens? You guys all hate Colt McCoy...so if that happens I don't want to hear any complaining about having a QB issue next season.
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TVTimeout
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 08:33 PM IP
I've been clammoring for Flynn all along. He's already stood and watched and that's important. Someone else has spent the time and money to get him NFL ready and to me he's more of a "proven commodity" than RG3 is.
Draft picks are way more important at this point and time when you're trying to rebuild a team - than landing an unproven rookie QB. Money is what it takes to get Flynn -- not draft picks and that's important.
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clb6110
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 10:47 PM IP
I flip-flop almost every day.Part of me says RG3 and then again its like,get some skill players this year and go all in next year for Barkley.I've waited 50 yrs whats a couple more?
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Dr. Torch
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 10:57 PM IP
Matt Flynn is not the answer. You guys think he is going to be throwing to Greg Jennings and Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley here in Cleveland?
Skeeter and Seneca are both better options than Flynn.
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Garth Algar
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Posted March 2nd, 2012 10:59 PM IP
Get RG3 at whatever cost. Plain and simple. RG3> Flynn, McCoy, Tannehill, etc. Quit trying to strike gold with mediocre Qb's in FA and the draft (Colt, Frye, Garcia, etc.) Other than Luck, RG3 seems like the only other sure thing at QB. Get it right this year with RG3 and get him a weapon in FA or the draft.
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Posted March 3rd, 2012 12:29 AM IP
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Dr. Torch wrote: personally the only QB i can comment on is Kirk Cousins from MSU, i saw them play 4-5 times this year and i thought he was a good prospect...not saying we should sit and camp on him persay, only that if Luck and RGIII are gone by the time the Browns pick there might be some better options than Skeeter in the draft
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Cousins had a great Senior Bowl performance and of all the QBS who threw at the combine he was far and away the best.
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TVTimeout
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Posted March 3rd, 2012 07:05 AM IP
Dr.....Flynn is the answer if you wanna get better receivers through the draft. You draft RG3 and who's HE gonna be throwing to?? Same crappy WRs we saw last year because we'll have to throw away draft picks to get him.
Flynn isn't Cold McCoy.....he's watched, he's learned and the Packers invested in all of that "training." RG3 is gonna have to learn on the field and take a pounding which won't be good for him or the Browns. We have a much better idea of what we'll see from Flynn than RG3.
Look at all of the supposed "can't miss" QBs that have flopped in the NFL. I have a feeling RG3 will be the next one.
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Dr. Torch
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Posted March 3rd, 2012 06:23 PM IP
drafting WRs is just as risky as drafting a QB, and there is a decent WR free agent crop out there right now
i'd rather pair a guy like Robert Meacham or Mario Manningham with RGIII then have Matt Flynn (who i do not want at all) with Kendall Wright or Alshon Jefferey
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hafner_for_mvp
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Posted March 5th, 2012 01:58 AM IP
Don't trade up. Don't trade down. Stay put with both first round picks. I wouldn't be opposed to taking a defensive player at 4. This defensive unit is maybe two players at most (OLB and another DB) from being a top 10 overall unit in the NFL.
If the Browns unload both this year's draft and some of next to move up and get RG3 they MUST hit on it. He HAS to pan out. Not only to be a good starting quarterback, but that of a great one.
I was on the RG3 for Heisman bandwagon all season. I like him as much as the next guy. I really do. But in my opinion it's too risky. And I understand that I'm in the minority.
I do agree with Torch's latter point of his most recent post though.
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Ron Mexico
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Posted March 5th, 2012 12:03 PM IP
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I believe the Browns' FO kept saying the way to go was to build this team through Draft Picks. Giving up picks to get one on a team with so many needs doesn't cut it for me. And as Torch stated, I'm leery of a Big 12 QB.
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I would be leery of a big 12 QB too if it was just his numbers that made him a prospect..like say Landry Jones. However I think if you throw the numbers out and just look at all the intangibles RG3 has everything you need to be a franchise QB in the NFL. those guys don't come around a lot and if you miss out on one who knows how long you will be looking?
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Dr. Torch
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Posted March 5th, 2012 12:14 PM IP
it all depends on the deal as to whether they should trade up or not
i wouldn't send both first round picks from this year i don't think...i am personally in favor of trading up to get RGIII but i want to know what the actual deal is before i can say i am for or against it
i would offer STL my 1st and 3rd round picks this year, my 1st next year, and a 3rd in 2014 for their 2nd overall pick this year...the odds are pretty good that our 1st pick next year will still be better than Washington's (*how awful is Dan Snyder btw makes me glad to have Lerner*)
Washington would have to offer (3) 1st round picks to trump that offer, and the reality is they might do that. If Cleveland were to negotiate a deal that would send STL three 1st round picks for their 2nd overall this year I would personally have to see some additional picks being sent to Cleveland before I could endorse a deal like that.
The #22 pick has a lot of value to the Browns, and altho I think the braintrust was posturing a bit when they said they wouldn't trade it, I do think the Browns can land an impact player there in one of several specific areas of need, which makes it a very important draft pick:
-we can get a #1 WR with the 22nd pick if we want one
-we can get an interior lineman at #22 if we want one
-we can even improve our DBs by dipping into a deep field of players at #22 if we want one
So I wanna see the deal. Where are the Browns drawing the line? I think when three 1st rounders starts getting thrown around you have to start being damn sure. A 1st this year and next and a few later round picks? I probably make that deal all day but again, we all need to see the actual deal before we can really comment accurately on whether or not the Browns should do it.
But in the very generic sense I am all in Favor of trading up to get RGIII.
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Ron Mexico
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Posted March 5th, 2012 12:21 PM IP
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drafting WRs is just as risky as drafting a QB, and there is a decent WR free agent crop out there right now
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WR is always a deep position in the draft because so many teams are running 3-4-5 WR sets in college that there are a ton to choose from. you can find guys all up and down the draft who can come in and be effective and all the way up to pro bowl level if put them in the right situation. I have listed guys on this site many times who were taken from the 2nd rd on who went on to be very good NFL receivers...not going to go through the list again but there are a lot. I think the Browns may have found one in Greg Little last year...and I still thing Mo Mass can be productive with a little more consistancy at QB.
I also agree there is a pretty good crop of guys on the market. everyone knows the big names but one guy I would be interested in that doesn't get mentioned a lot is Steve Smith(NYG, Philly). he had a year in a simular offense in Philly and will now be over a year recovered from his injury. he was pretty productive with the Giants and could be a nice slot guy for the Browns. Jerome Simpson is a guy who showed some promise with the Bengals. Harry Douglas benefited from playing opposite Roddy White but he seems like he could be a nice playmaker. Pierre Garcon still had a nice season with the Colts even without Manning. Anthony Gonzalez could still have some potential. Robert Meachem would be a legit deep threat teams would have to respect. Early Deoucet is a young player who has shown flashes. Ted Ginn isn't great at anything but would add some much needed speed on the cheap. Mark Clayton and Brandon Lloyd are productive.
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Ron Mexico
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Posted March 5th, 2012 12:31 PM IP
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it all depends on the deal as to whether they should trade up or not
i wouldn't send both first round picks from this year i don't think...i am personally in favor of trading up to get RGIII but i want to know what the actual deal is before i can say i am for or against it
i would offer STL my 1st and 3rd round picks this year, my 1st next year, and a 3rd in 2014 for their 2nd overall pick this year...the odds are pretty good that our 1st pick next year will still be better than Washington's (*how awful is Dan Snyder btw makes me glad to have Lerner*)
Washington would have to offer (3) 1st round picks to trump that offer, and the reality is they might do that. If Cleveland were to negotiate a deal that would send STL three 1st round picks for their 2nd overall this year I would personally have to see some additional picks being sent to Cleveland before I could endorse a deal like that.
The #22 pick has a lot of value to the Browns, and altho I think the braintrust was posturing a bit when they said they wouldn't trade it, I do think the Browns can land an impact player there in one of several specific areas of need, which makes it a very important draft pick:
-we can get a #1 WR with the 22nd pick if we want one
-we can get an interior lineman at #22 if we want one
-we can even improve our DBs by dipping into a deep field of players at #22 if we want one
So I wanna see the deal. Where are the Browns drawing the line? I think when three 1st rounders starts getting thrown around you have to start being damn sure. A 1st this year and next and a few later round picks? I probably make that deal all day but again, we all need to see the actual deal before we can really comment accurately on whether or not the Browns should do it.
But in the very generic sense I am all in Favor of trading up to get RGIII.
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it is reported that the Browns are very reluctant to give up the 22nd pick. who knows how the deal would shake out...right now the Rams want the sun and moon while the Browns and Redskins want to give them swamp land.
in a way the Browns are in the drivers seat because they know they have the most to offer and they know the Rams and Vikings arenn't going to take RG3. I would think if the Redskins were really offering 3 1sts plus extra picks that deal would be done already. the Browns don't have to be in hurry because if the Rams can't get what they want they may have settle for a Browns offer or they can go ahead and draft second and RG3 will fall in the Browns lap.
I think the Rams made a big mistake by letting leak that they want to move that pick because now they loose leverage as it moves closer to the draft. what happens if Washington signs Manning and Miami gets future flop Flynn? what happens if RG3 doesn't throw well at his pro day and teams drop his value? it really was in the Rams best interest to already have the deal done
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Dr. Torch
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Posted March 5th, 2012 12:39 PM IP
yeah i was surprised they came out and said they were trading that pick
i would have hunkered down and told everyone i was staying put and leaning toward Khalil whilst working thru the DEs and DBs, not sure what they have to gain, i don't really think there is going to be any kind of bidding war to get RGIII which is what STL is hoping...that probably would have happened right after the combine
i cannot for the life of me imagine a scenario where Peyton signs in Washington and plays against Eli twice a year...just cannot see it
i think Oakland might be a sleeper for Manning, but to me ARI makes more sense than any other place
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Dr. Torch
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Posted March 5th, 2012 12:44 PM IP
the Browns aren't really under any pressure to make STL an offer...the pressure is on WAS to set the price on the draft pick because the Browns can just sit there with a legit shot to land RGIII either way...WAS cannot do that
then the honus will be on STL to see if they can get a better deal...if CLE can find out what Washington's offer is, or even if they have really made an offer at all, then CLE has all the leverage
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Posted March 10th, 2012 05:28 PM IP
Now that RG3 will be going to the Redskins the Browns should -
-> Take Claiborne with the first pick (although Blackmon wouldn't be a disaster).
-> Take a WR with the second #1 (or a QB if you are sure the one you want is there).
-> Consider a RT with the first #2 pick (or a QB if . . . )
Then, in free agency they need to go out and overpay (yes I said overpay) for a veteran WR and veteran DE . . . because without them they are going to stink again.
I feel much better now that I've given up all hope.
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