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ScarletFever
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 Posted February 14th, 2012 05:31 PM IP   
I wouldn't mind Jeffries WR with our 2nd pick.
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Garth Algar
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Posted February 14th, 2012 05:52 PM IP
Im not very high on Jeffrey if the rumors are true on him. Reportedly is at 249 lbs right now and has been timed in the 4.8's. Kinda scares me
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Syringe
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Posted February 14th, 2012 07:29 PM IP
I hope we dont go after RG3. Its just another wasted pick for this offense in my opinion.
wanna keep our god, our freedom, a little money in the bank.....y'all can keep the change.
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tigeralum01
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Posted February 15th, 2012 12:46 PM IP
Kiper has a mock 2.0 on espn. Can someone with insider post it?
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ScarletFever
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Posted February 15th, 2012 04:22 PM IP
Indianapolis Colts
Record: 2-14
* Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
While the public relations drama continues between Jim Irsay and Peyton Manning, there's little drama surrounding whom the Colts will take with the No. 1 pick. I doubt Luck throws next week at the NFL combine, but his status among evaluators really isn't in question. Arm talent, strength, size, smarts, leadership, intangibles -- it's all there. The only question is whether he'll be serving an apprenticeship under Manning, but my guess right now would be that he won't have to.
St. Louis Rams
Record: 2-14
* Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma St.
I've said before this pick could be in play. Cleveland, Washington or maybe even Miami could slide into this spot if they want to make a move at quarterback, but Blackmon goes here in this mock because I'm not able to reflect trades. It will be interesting to see if Blackmon is willing to run in Indy. He could bypass it and wait for his pro day given his current status. St. Louis is in desperate need of a weapon in the passing game, and will get one with one of its first two picks. Remember, it could also lose Brandon Lloyd in free agency.
Minnesota Vikings
Record: 3-13
* Matt Kalil, OT, USC
The Vikings need to upgrade at left tackle, and Kalil is the rare one who could step into that position right away at the NFL level. Great feet, arm length, athleticism and finishing skills as a run-blocker make him a very complete prospect. I can see the Vikings tempted if Blackmon is around here, which he very well could be, because they're also lacking weapons in the passing game. They could also go for a cornerback. It'll be one of three, all top needs.
Cleveland Browns
Record: 4-12
* Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
Given the makeup of the roster, and the fact that they have two first-round picks and can really enhance the level of young talent, I think the Browns are far more likely to look at a young QB prospect than get into the bidding war for a veteran like Manning, or even Matt Flynn. One question I have is whether Cleveland stays at this spot and hopes Griffin is still around, or gets aggressive and moves up to No. 2 and guarantees they get their guy. Given his experience, leadership qualities and overall skill set, I don't see it as much of a leap for Griffin to be a Week 1 starter in 2012.
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Record: 5-11
* Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
I'll say it again -- don't simply dismiss the idea that Richardson could land here because of the presence of LaGarrette Blount. A great running team now needs more than one good back, and Richardson is by far the best back on the board this year. As well, if the Bucs are going with a "best player available" mantra early on -- very possible given a wide range of needs -- Richardson would make a lot of sense here. Blount has power, but he's far more limited as an all-around back than Richardson. The Bucs were actually below league average in yards per rush in 2011, and could look to improve there.
Washington Redskins
Record: 5-11
* Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
The Redskins are a team I could certainly see moving off this pick, but if the draft broke this way, the pick makes a lot of sense on both need and value. And obviously, what the Skins could do in free agency for their offense is something I'm considering. Tyrann Mathieu got the headlines at LSU, but the best cornerback on the team was Claiborne. He's the top corner in the draft, and while the Skins have offensive needs, they should also be willing to draft best available when possible because the roster needs more talent, period. While not quite the athlete, Claiborne is actually a better pure cover corner than Patrick Peterson, the No. 5 overall pick from last year.
Jacksonville Jaguars
Record: 5-11
Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
If the Jags don't add help at wide receiver in free agency, they could look for help here, but they're also desperate for pass rush help. They sacked opposing quarterbacks fewer than two times a game in 2011, and Coples would fit in the scheme as the top 4-3 defensive end in the draft. He has ideal physical traits, with great length at 6-foot-6, and the size to hold up in the run game, complementing his pass-rush skills. Jacksonville is another team that simply needs to upgrade the talent level, so it shouldn't reach on offense at the cost of adding superior talent.
Carolina Panthers
Record: 6-10
* Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
The Carolina defense in 2011 wasn't helped by injuries, but the result was a unit that couldn't stop the run, but also had a tough time generating consistent pressure on opposing quarterbacks. It starts up front, where the Panthers simply need to add talent. Brockers is a high-ceiling defensive tackle, a player who will thrive in any scheme, but could be particularly effective as a penetrator in the 4-3. The Panthers had to make do rotating a pair of rookies on the defensive interior last season, and really need to add talent and depth. The offense is going to be there -- they have to find some stoppers.
Miami Dolphins
Record: 6-10
* Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa
The Dolphins will be adding a quarterback, and Reiff helps them finish what could be a solid offensive line in 2012. Reiff's tape was exceptional this past season, and given how complete he is right now, stepping in immediately on the right side shouldn't be a problem. Outside linebacker also makes some sense here, but Miami knows its offense is really close, and Reiff makes the quarterback situation that much more appealing, regardless of who takes the snaps. The Dolphins aced their first-round pick last year, also hitting the O-line. Wouldn't hurt them one bit to double down.
Buffalo Bills
Record: 6-10
Courtney Upshaw, LB, Alabama
This is another pick that I'm staying with for now. The pass rush still needs a lot of help, and Upshaw is currently the best 3-4 outside linebacker in the draft. Even as Buffalo looks to shift that defense to a 4-3 (see Denver's draft strategy at No. 2 last year) Upshaw can still easily fit. Don't pass talent because of small scheme questions. He should be able to apply a lot of pressure to opposing quarterbacks from the edge for whoever gets him for 2012. Remember, nobody on the Bills managed more than 5.5 sacks in 2011, and as a team, they simply haven't been able to get pressure unless they bring numbers. This is an energetic talent, an edge linebacker in the mold of a more athletic LaMarr Woodley, a guy who has been well-coached and can start early.
Kansas City Chiefs
Record: 7-9
* Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
In Romeo Crennel's system, you have to find linebackers with great instincts who can be physical in the run game, make stops through the hole and get into the backfield. Kuechly is simply a machine, a prototype for what you want in an interior linebacker. He has exceptional instincts, and masks any questions of his speed by diagnosing the play faster than anybody out there. Can play a little high, but that's just quibbling, as he takes few false steps. I can see the Chiefs looking for a nose tackle, but this slot might be a little high for great value there.
Seattle Seahawks
Record: 7-9
Melvin Ingram, DE, South Carolina
Some see the Seahawks looking at a QB this high, but the value doesn't make a lot of sense for me just yet. On the defensive side of the ball, the big need is help for the pass rush. Ingram has enough size to hold up in the 4-3, and will provide an upgrade. The Seattle defense is really fast, and could become dynamic if it can generate more pressure on opposing passers. If Kuechly is still here, I can also see that pick, but the development of K.J. Wright makes Ingram a good target.
Arizona Cardinals
Record: 8-8
* Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
As I've noted before, Arizona hasn't drafted an offensive lineman before the fifth round since 2007 -- and it's about time. Martin may start on the right side, but he has the physical tools to become the blindside tackle here. Questions remain about what the Cardinals will do at quarterback -- my guess for now is they simply stick with Kevin Kolb and hope that investment pays off -- but there's no question they have to be better up front regardless of who is back there. Martin has a lot of athleticism, is a very good run blocker, and should continue to improve his game.
Dallas Cowboys
Record: 8-8
Mark Barron, S, Alabama
Dallas got shredded far too often with the passing game in 2011, and while Barron might be a very slight reach here in terms of his current grade, he's a perfect fit for the Cowboys. I have "defensive back" on my sheet as a big need in Big D, meaning they can't go wrong with either the top safety or the top cornerback here, and Barron offers the most value. Better in run support right now than he is in coverage, Barron could get better against the pass, but he's an upgrade for the Cowboys.
Philadelphia Eagles
Record: 8-8
* Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi St.
No team was softer up the middle than Philly in 2011, and while linebacker is a bigger need, it wouldn't be a very good value here if the board lines up like this. In Cox, you get a player who should be great in the 3-4, a powerful bull-rusher who can collapse the pocket, but also a guy who does a good job against the run and plays with a really high motor. I have wide receiver as another potential need, but the Philly defense needs to be a bigger priority in the draft. The Eagles can target a linebacker in the next round.
New York Jets
Record: 8-8
* Cordy Glenn, G, Georgia
The Jets like to bill themselves as a ball control team on offense, able to run to set up the pass, and put away games with physical play up front. Well, it's hard to do that if you're 29th in the NFL in yards per rush, as they were in 2011. With Tony Sparano coming to town, my guess is shoring up the offensive line will be a priority (just as it was with his last pick in Miami) as the Jets try to get the offense back where they want it. Glenn is a really versatile guy who could probably be adequate at tackle, but could dominate inside. He could start there immediately.
Cincinnati Bengals (from Oakland)
Record: 8-8
* Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
The Bengals held up pretty well against the pass last year, but should look for the heir to Johnathan Joseph, whom they lost to Houston before the 2011 season. Kirkpatrick fits the bill as a big, physical corner who doesn't give up much in coverage given his size (nearly 6-foot-3), which makes him particularly good inside the red zone. He's also not one to shy away from run support. The Bengals need a running back, too, but they can find value at that position much later. Glenn is also an option if the Jets don't make that pick.
San Diego Chargers
Record: 8-8
Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
What happens with Vincent Jackson obviously could have an effect on this selection, but even if Jackson remains, the Chargers could use another player who can create matchup problems in the passing game. Floyd showed me a lot this year -- he cut his weight some and played lighter than 230 pounds, and it really made him a more explosive player. He can make plays all over the field in the passing game. The Chargers also must get some help on the offensive line, and could go that route here if they really like a player.
Chicago Bears
Record: 8-8
Mike Adams, OT, Ohio St.
We know the Bears will be looking for help at wide receiver, but just because the offensive line could be characterized as semi-adequate doesn't mean they should make the mistake of neglecting it and letting it fall apart again. Mike Tice knows as well as anybody that Jay Cutler can be successful in the passing game first if he's not getting hit on every play. Adams is a guy who I've come around on, because he simply knows how to protect the pocket. He can slide his feet and doesn't get beat inside, but he has the length and technique to protect the edge.
Tennessee Titans
Record: 9-7
Whitney Mercilus, DE, Illinois
They've devoted some draft attention to it in recent years, but the Titans' pass rush still needs help. Only Tampa Bay had more of a struggle getting to opposing passers last year. People talk about the quarterback situation in Tennessee, but I think it was the lack of a pass rush that kept the Titans (barely) out of the playoffs last year. Mercilus is, quite simply, a pass-rusher. I like his athleticism and uncanny ability to beat blockers. He needs a good combine to cement his status, but he could move even higher, and might be a good value here. The Titans need someone who can breathe on an opposing quarterback.
Cincinnati Bengals
Record: 9-7
* David DeCastro, G, Stanford
I have guard as one of the top needs for the Bengals, and they won't do any better than DeCastro at this spot. A player who plays with exceptional awareness, DeCastro is the kind of guard who helps you crack off bigger gains in the run and screen game because he gets a great initial punch, but will also get to the second level and throw great blocks out in space. Again, I don't think Cincy gets enough value here at running back, but DeCastro helps the run game, too.
Cleveland Browns (from Atlanta)
Record: 4-12
Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
Cleveland needs help at wide receiver but may not be able to get it in free agency, and Wright is a player who can provide an element the Browns don't have right now. The pick makes sense on both need and value. Wright quietly had a season that almost matched Blackmon's in the Big 12. Greg Little was inconsistent but certainly showed a lot of promise as a rookie, and Wright is a good complement. He's smaller at about 5-10, 190 pounds, but adds a speed threat this offense really needs. He'll stretch the field with speed. The Browns need weapons, and Wright fits the profile.
Detroit Lions
Record: 10-6
Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
At one time, Jenkins was destined to be a top-10 pick, and his talent level hasn't dipped. After exiting Florida, he spent a year at North Alabama, and is finally ready for the NFL. As a pure cover corner, in terms of pure instincts, ball skills and athleticism, you're looking at a potential Pro Bowl player. Jenkins is already a major threat in the return game. He has a history, but get him in the right system, and you could have a star. We know Detroit needs help at corner, and Jenkins might be too much value to pass up here.
Pittsburgh Steelers
Record: 12-4
* Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
The Steelers are always going to find answers under the brilliant Dick LeBeau, but they have to get younger, particularly up front, and they know it. Poe is that rare zero-technique centerpiece to a 3-4 defense, the guy who simply eats up blockers and frees up the linebackers. If he develops, Poe can be the heir to Casey Hampton in the middle of that scheme, and these guys are just really tough to find. The value lines up as well.
Denver Broncos
Record: 8-8
Devon Still, DT, Penn St.
Denver has the pass rush off the edge but could add some depth on the interior, and Still is a guy who can penetrate and get tackles for loss from the inside. The Broncos could go a few ways here, which is actually a good thing as they pursue value, and I could certainly look for them to target a corner at this spot, but Still makes a lot of sense in that scheme. I have wide receiver down as a need, but they have a pretty good combo there right now, and given the struggles the offense could face, they need to be able to get stops.
Houston Texans
Record: 10-6
* Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan St.
Houston did an exceptional job in last year's draft, locking up players who would fit in Wade Phillips' system. And even the injury Mario Williams suffered didn't derail them. Worthy, when he's on his game, can be really dynamic. He has a really good burst for his size, allowing him to penetrate and be really disruptive against both the run and the pass. He'll tie up blockers because he can be really hard to neutralize one on one. He just needs to be consistent, but if Houston can rotate him in, it'll get good production early.
New England Patriots (from Saints)
Record: 13-3
Vinny Curry, OLB, Marshall
Curry is a really good pass-rusher for a team that needs to find some help in that area. I'm not sure he's the best candidate to play OLB in a 3-4, but Bill Belichick can scheme around his personnel as well as anybody, and if he loves a pass-rusher, he'll find a way to make it work. Curry has violent hands and can really get a tackle off-balance. He can also swim to the inside. The Patriots need to add talent to the front seven, and Curry is a start.
Green Bay Packers
Record: 15-1
Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
The Packers are another team that should be looking for the best value possible at either safety or cornerback, and Smith provides value here. What I like about Smith is his ability to do it all. He's not the world's greatest athlete, but any scout will tell you: At this position, you take the instincts over the athlete 100 out of 100 times. Smith gets great jumps in coverage and will get in passing lanes, but he's also outstanding in run support. You don't lose ground in one area when he's out there.
Baltimore Ravens
Record: 12-4
Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin
With Ray Lewis' decision to come back for another year, the Ravens might be a little less desperate to find the next great linebacker, and can instead hit another big need. Matt Birk will need a replacement at center, and Konz is the best one in the draft. He's like a good quarterback, picking up every blitz and stunt, and has the kind of smarts in calling out things that will really help the quarterback. The Ravens were a mess up front for portions of 2011 and will need to add help there.
San Francisco 49ers
Record: 13-3
* Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
Randle could be a steal. This is a guy who, in a more dynamic passing offense, could have been far more productive. Obviously, the combine will tell us a lot, but Randle could be preferred over Alshon Jeffery of South Carolina, because he has the length, but will be a lot quicker into and out of his breaks because he's got a leaner frame. He's better suited to beat opposing defenses over the top. The Niners need a big target in the passing game outside of Vernon Davis, and Randle could be that guy.
New England Patriots
Record: 13-3
Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
We've seen the value of Vince Wilfork, and while Reyes isn't the size of a city block, he certainly has some of the traits of a guy who can help a defense similarly. When he gets good leverage (which he usually does), Reyes is really strong and will get offensive linemen up off their feet as he pushes them into the backfield. He's not going to shed blocks as a brilliant pass-rusher would, but Reyes can develop into the guy who makes everybody else a better pass-rusher because he demands so much blocking help.
New York Giants
Record: 9-7
* Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
The Super Bowl will provide plenty of good memories for Giants fans, but from a personnel standpoint, people should also remember the injuries they suffered at tight end, and Allen is the best one in this draft. He's a fantastic athlete, can create matchup problems and further diversify the Giants' offense as they maximize this window of exceptional quarterback play. The Giants could also look for help on the offensive line, or target a linebacker here, but I expect Allen's profile to rise during the workout process, and he should represent a lot of value here.
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Posted February 15th, 2012 04:54 PM IP
Not really for Kendall Wright, if Janoris Jenkins is on the board I'd take him in a heartbeat. Then address receiver in rd. 2
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Dr. Torch
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Posted February 15th, 2012 05:57 PM IP
wonder if Mike Adams will be sitting there for the Browns with their second 1st round pick
he'd represent great value in a definite area of need, and the kid has the potential to be dominant
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Pronkville
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Posted February 15th, 2012 06:36 PM IP
Mike Adams is a Right Tackle, correct?
I am with ya Torch, might be hard to pass on Wright if he is there but I would take Adams...no problems...Right side needs fixed, quickly..
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Dr. Torch
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Posted February 15th, 2012 07:25 PM IP
for NFL draft purposes i would regard his position as interior lineman, meaning Guard...i think he could play both Tackle positions and both Guard positions if he had to
he is climbing tho, i see the Mock has the Bears grabbing him and that would be a great pick for them
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Posted February 15th, 2012 07:31 PM IP
God, would love to see the Browns make a strong push for Mario Williams.
Draft RG3, also try and sign Colston or V-Jax if there is still money room. If not then go after Manningham possibly.
Then we can draft an offensive linemen or a defensive player with our 2n 1st rounder.
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Dr. Torch
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Posted February 15th, 2012 08:11 PM IP
pretty sure Houston already franchised Mario?
i LOVE Marques Colston, i always end up with him in my fantasy football leagues and he always ends up being an ACE
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Ron Mexico
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Posted February 21st, 2012 12:21 PM IP
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I'd NEVER pick a WR at #4 unless a Calvin Johnson type was there. (Didn't Greg Little have more catches than Julio Jones this year?) I'd get a WR with our second #1 pick . . . then I'd overpay for several free agent WRs. Shoot, Joe Jurevicious would be an upgrade.
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I always believed that if you are a team picking in the top 10 you have way too many holes to fill to be wasting that high of a pick on a WR. WR is is a position that even on their best day may get the ball thrown their way 8 times and maybe catch 5 and for that to happen you still need a QB, a o-line to protect him, backs who can pick up the blitz, etc... there are plenty of high impatc WRs around the league who had been drafted in the 2nd rd or later so you can find guys at that position.
really though if you look at it those guys become successful because they have a legit NFL QB throwing them the ball and it won't matter who the Browns have at WR until they find a QB. to me WR is a position you fill when you feel you are set at QB, OLine, Dline, secondary, LB and the Browns are not
every year WR is a super deep position in the draft because just about every college team is running 4 WR sets and there are a ton of guys out there. WRs do not win super bowls...QBs and being solid on both sides of the line of scrimmage win super bowls.
I had said before that I wouldn't mind the Browns taking Blackmon with the 4th pick because they do have another 1st rd pick to use to plug another hole but the more I think about it I am still against it. Justin Blackmon does not get the Browns closer to being able to beat the Steelers or Ravens. I don't think any WR they could grab at 22 will get them any closer. they need a QB and continue to build on both side of the line or add help on the back end. from the 2nd rd on there will be plenty of play makers that can succeed in the NFL with a QB who has a good Oline in front of him
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Posted February 21st, 2012 04:06 PM IP
I always love getting on here before the draft to see what kind of scheme that Browns fans come up with so they can resurrect the franchise.
Holmgren do yourself a favor and dont draft RG3. I love the guy, he deserved to win the Heisman, and was in fact the best player in college football. Give McCoy one more year, he's a competitor and leaves everything on the field. The Browns need to draft Justin Blackmon if he is available. Mexico is right, WR is deep every year in the draft, but Blackmon is a Calvin Johnson type of presence. Big physical receiver that is reliable and could get McCoy out of a lot of trouble. With Greg Little and Blackmon they would have two good options to throw to on the outside.
Now, with that being said, if they dont draft RG3, draft Blackmon and McCoy still struggles this season the 2013 NFL Draft has two NFL ready guys - Landry Jones and Matt Barkley.
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Ron Mexico
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Posted February 21st, 2012 11:58 PM IP
Blackmon is good but not Calvin Johnson. Johnson is about 6'5 and runs in the 4.3s...Blackmon is only 6'1 and I am guessing ends up running close to 4.5.
If the Browns can't draft RG3 because he is off the board that is one thing but if they pass on him they will be making a huge mistake. I hate that there are still people who want to give McCoy more chances. yes he could be better if they add some weapons and improve the line but the ultimate goal is to win a super bowl and Colt McCoy is not the guy who is leading anybody to the super bowl
Landry Jones is a bust waiting to happen. he was made by Ryan Broyles. when Broyles was healthy Jones was a heisman contender and rolling...as soon as Broyles got hurt he was a below average college QB
I like Barkley and think he has a pretty good future ahead of him in the NFL but to get him you may have to end up with the number 1 pick. I wouldn't expect the Browns to be that bad....even if they don't do anything in free agency having 3 picks in the top 37 will improve the team. would be a big gamble to pass on a guy this draft planning on landing someone in the next draft.
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Posted February 22nd, 2012 01:33 AM IP
McCoy is still a young player he has only played one full season. If you should know anything about Holmgren is that he likes to try and win with what he has instead of continuing to add and piece together a puzzle. You never win by changing the system, you do the best with what you have and continue to work. I just cant see Holmgren bringing in big name QB from the draft yet until McCoy proves to be absolutely worthless.
Also I thought about another scenerio. Drafting Matt Kalil. Joe Thomas at one tackle spot and Kalil on the other. I think that would benefit the Browns seeing the defensive end/OLB's they have to go up against in their division almost each week. It would protect McCoy and use the other pick in the first round to draft Michael Floyd from ND or Kendall Wright from Baylor.
Plus getting Kalil and potentially drafting Barkley in 2013 (both USC guys) would be huge for the Browns. I could see Barkley putting up Andy Dalton type numbers his rookie year. Long shot, but something cool to think about.
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ScarletFever
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Posted February 22nd, 2012 01:55 AM IP
From ESPN insider: Browns needs:
Cleveland Browns
Top needs:
1. Wide receiver: This is one of the weakest units in the NFL. There is no vertical threat, and there are too many dropped passes and missed assignments. Greg Little is decent as a complementary starter, and Josh Cribbs has some production in three-receiver sets, but this offense needs a go-to guy from the draft or free agency. Mario Manningham would be an excellent fit and allow the Browns to possibly draft Robert Griffin III with their first-round pick.
2. Outside linebacker: Strong outside linebacker Chris Gocong should be a solid starter and pass-rusher, but weak outside linebacker Kaluka Maiava was not very productive at all and seemed overmatched; he made very few big plays. Depth is nonexistent at this position. The Browns need a playmaker with range and explosiveness.
3. Cornerback: Joe Haden is a star in the making on one side, and, although Sheldon Brown is a veteran, he is a step slow and not a shutdown turn-and-run guy. There are some young developmental guys who can play outside or over the slot, but a veteran starter opposite Haden would really upgrade this unit. That should be a priority in free agency.
Other needs: QB, RDE, RT
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Ron Mexico
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Posted February 22nd, 2012 12:13 PM IP
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McCoy is still a young player he has only played one full season. If you should know anything about Holmgren is that he likes to try and win with what he has instead of continuing to add and piece together a puzzle. You never win by changing the system, you do the best with what you have and continue to work. I just cant see Holmgren bringing in big name QB from the draft yet until McCoy proves to be absolutely worthless.
Also I thought about another scenerio. Drafting Matt Kalil. Joe Thomas at one tackle spot and Kalil on the other. I think that would benefit the Browns seeing the defensive end/OLB's they have to go up against in their division almost each week. It would protect McCoy and use the other pick in the first round to draft Michael Floyd from ND or Kendall Wright from Baylor.
Plus getting Kalil and potentially drafting Barkley in 2013 (both USC guys) would be huge for the Browns. I could see Barkley putting up Andy Dalton type numbers his rookie year. Long shot, but something cool to think about.
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I don't see any way that Kalil makes to to number 4 but I guess you never know. even if he did it is not cap smart to tie up number 4 money on a right tackle even with the new CBA and lower rookie salaries.
you are right Holmgren has never been a guy to draft a big name QB...he went out and brought in guys like Farve and Hasselbeck. if there is another Brett Favre sitting on someones roster then Mike Holmgren has my support to go out and pluck him off their roster!!!! the odds of that happening aren't very high though. how many of these back ups that teams sign or trade for go on the be big time players? Matt Cassel..no, Kevin Kolb..no, Matt Moore..nope. the odds of even finding a guy like Matt Schaub, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon, or Matt Hasselbeck aren't very high much less a Brett Favre . I think if Holgrem was honest with people he would tell you he didn't expect Hasselbeck to be as good as he was....he was just a guy who he was familiar with from Green Bay who he knew had knowledge of his system. he was expected to be a stop gap guy IMO much like when Holmgren got Seneca Wallace from Seattle for the Browns.
I believe Holmgren and Heckert are smart guys and have the ability to adjust to various situations....just because they haven't gone the route of drafting a QB high before doesn't mean they wouldn't if the right guy is there. we shall see if they think RG3 is the right guy but I guarentee they wouldn't pass on Andrew Luck to give McCoy another chance or to go after fools gold in Matt Flynn.
Colt McCoy is a nice back up and nothing more. I would feel totally comfortable having McCoy come off the bench due to injury for a couple game stretch and he would give you a chance to win but he is not a full time starter...he is not a guy who is leading anyone to a super bowl and that is the ultimate goal.
I agree in the NFL stability helps you win....stability in the front office, stability in the coaching staff, stability in the system. that is a big reason why the Steelers, Ravens, Patriots, Colts have so regularly made the playoffs and have been super bowl contenders. it is also the reason why the Browns have been so terrible, you can't replace coaches and GMs every 3 years and expect to be successful. however upgrading at QB does not mean you are changing the system, it means you are trying to make the system opperate at it's peak. look at the teams who are winning super bowls and what allows them to have that stability. Brady, Roethlisberger, Peyton, Eli, Brees, Rogers...Colt McCoy is not 1/3 of what those guys are
you can not plan this year's draft based on what you may be able to land in next seasons draft. you have no idea where you will be picking...what happens if Matt Barkley has a career ending injury at USC? to many variables we will have no idea about to try and plan that far ahead.
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Ron Mexico
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Posted February 22nd, 2012 12:14 PM IP
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From ESPN insider: Browns needs:
Cleveland Browns
Top needs:
1. Wide receiver: This is one of the weakest units in the NFL. There is no vertical threat, and there are too many dropped passes and missed assignments. Greg Little is decent as a complementary starter, and Josh Cribbs has some production in three-receiver sets, but this offense needs a go-to guy from the draft or free agency. Mario Manningham would be an excellent fit and allow the Browns to possibly draft Robert Griffin III with their first-round pick.
2. Outside linebacker: Strong outside linebacker Chris Gocong should be a solid starter and pass-rusher, but weak outside linebacker Kaluka Maiava was not very productive at all and seemed overmatched; he made very few big plays. Depth is nonexistent at this position. The Browns need a playmaker with range and explosiveness.
3. Cornerback: Joe Haden is a star in the making on one side, and, although Sheldon Brown is a veteran, he is a step slow and not a shutdown turn-and-run guy. There are some young developmental guys who can play outside or over the slot, but a veteran starter opposite Haden would really upgrade this unit. That should be a priority in free agency.
Other needs: QB, RDE, RT
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all of those things are needs for sure but in this day and age of the NFL the biggest need is always QB until you find a franchise guy
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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ThomYorke
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Posted February 22nd, 2012 12:34 PM IP
I totally agree if Andrew Luck is there at 4 which he wont be, no question draft him.
We can coulda shoulda woulda all day about the Browns and what they need to do for the draft. Im not a Browns fan, but I hope they do well in the draft and this upcoming season, lord knows the fans need it.
A wise man told me don't argue with fools, cause from a distance people can't tell who is who.
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Pronkville
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Posted February 22nd, 2012 09:18 PM IP
Saw this on a recent Mock Draft...found it interesting.
Redskins trade up to get RG3. Browns stay put at 4 and take Blackmon and predicted to sign Flynn.
Then this happens:
22. *Minnesota Vikings (from ATL via CLE): Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame. The Vikings trade #35 overall and their 2012 1st round pick to Cleveland to acquire the right to select Floyd, the best of the big receivers still on the board. He could be the replacement for the one good year of Sidney Rice, hopefully even better. Top 64 picks that are acquired in trades wind up getting traded nearly 40% of the time over the last five years.
Then at pick 35 they take Joe Adams WR from Arkansas and then pick 37 they take Mark Barron Safety from Bama
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Ezekiel
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Posted February 22nd, 2012 09:52 PM IP
I actually don't mind that to trade, but I would assume it should be 2013 first round draft pick?
I'm also not sold on Blackmon with our #4, I'd still prefer Claiborne.
Champions are made in the off-season.
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Pronkville
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Posted February 22nd, 2012 10:48 PM IP
Yes, sorry, I believe it is their 2013 first rounder!
I saw the Packers signed Finley and that they now intend to Tag Matt Flynn. ****!
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Posted February 23rd, 2012 07:50 AM IP
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Yes, sorry, I believe it is their 2013 first rounder!
I saw the Packers signed Finley and that they now intend to Tag Matt Flynn. ****!
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That was a smart thing for them to do. Now they will get something for him as opposed to just letting him go for nothing. He will still end up with another team. Even if they cannot make a deal work out, they keep him in the back-up role for another year at a low cost. Win-win for them to that.
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tigeralum01
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Posted February 23rd, 2012 08:12 AM IP
Richardson had a minor knee surgery this week. Take that as you may
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Posted February 23rd, 2012 12:16 PM IP
I guess for me it would depend who is on the board at 22 but you do have the possibility that the 2013 Minnesota pick could be top 5 to 10....they know that too which makes me think they wouldn't give up that pick for Floyd but it wouldn't be a bad deal for the Browns. I am thinking that Floyd goes to the Bears at 19 anyhow.
it kind of bumbs me out that people are talking Joe Adams at 35 because I was hoping he would be a nice grab for the Browns in the 3rd or 4th rd. I think he is pretty much the same player as Kendall Wright but without the 1st rd price tag
forgot to mention this but there were twitter reports a couple weeks back that Alshon Jeffry was wighing like 260 and running in the 4.8s...taske it for what it is worth
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Pronkville
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Posted February 23rd, 2012 01:16 PM IP
I agree with your take on the Bears at 19. I believe they just came out today and said they are focused on a WR, whether it be through Free Agency or the draft. So if Floyd or Wright are still on the board they are not getting past the Bears.
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Pronkville
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Posted February 23rd, 2012 01:18 PM IP
I am not big on teams selecting RB's so high unless they are like Adrian Peterson/Barry Sanders types so I am kind of glad the Browns won't see Richardson this weekend thanks to his knee scoping.
I really want them to either resign Hillis or look to draft a RB in the later rounds. We need a WR, OL, QB, CB taken care of before they think we need to draft Richardson.
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Posted February 23rd, 2012 01:26 PM IP
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/t...012-nfl-combine
AFC North combine primer
February, 23, 2012 Feb 239:30AM ETEmail Print Comments0By Jamison HensleyAs the NFL combine kicks into gear today, here are the hot draft topics involving the AFC North teams:
Robert Griffin III is one player the Browns will be interested in meeting with at the combine.Will Robert Griffin III fit into the Browns' system? The Browns say they're still evaluating the Heisman Trophy winner, and they'll ultimately have to determine whether he's worth trading up from the No. 4 overall pick. RG3 plans to run the 40-yard dash (he's targeting sub-4.4 seconds) but he probably won't throw until his pro day on March 21. The biggest question that the Browns have to answer is whether RG3 can convert from the spread offense that he ran at Baylor. That will come during the interview process when Cleveland officials will go through their offense and pick his brain. ESPN's Todd McShay said he would "be surprised if he doesn't floor teams with his intelligence and understanding of the game."
Sticking to standard line: The Steelers have used their first-round pick on strengthening the offensive or defensive line for the past three years. The trend has a strong chance of continuing this year, and it's not out of habit. The Steelers need to find a potential replacement for nose tackle Casey Hampton, who is coming off ACL surgery and has a high cap number. The best fit is Memphis' Dontari Poe, a 350-pound powerhouse. There's a chance he could challenge the combine record of 49 reps in the bench press. The Steelers might have to consider moving up from No. 24 if Poe has a strong showing.
Tracking the running backs: The Browns and Bengals each have two first-round picks, and they both could use one on a running back. The Bengals aren't expected to re-sign Cedric Benson, and the Browns could do the same with Peyton Hillis. There won't be any on-field evaluation of Alabama's Trent Richardson, the No. 1 running back in the draft who won't participate in drills after having minor knee surgery. This shouldn't hurt his draft status because Richardson's size, speed and power make him a legitimate top-10 pick. Miami's Lamar Miller, who has been linked to the Bengals' second first-round pick, is looking to solidify his standing as the second-best back in the draft by showcasing his speed. He could record the fastest time of any player in the 40-yard dash.
Center of attention: Not many centers get selected in the first round, and the Ravens have never taken one that high. That could change this year because starter Matt Birk isn't expected to return (even if he decides not to retire) and backup Andre Gurode is an unrestricted free agent. Wisconsin's Peter Konz is trying to remain the top center in this draft. His biggest hurdle is the medical check. Konz was diagnosed with blood clots in his lungs in 2009 and then missed three games in 2011 with a dislocated left ankle (he did return to start the Rose Bowl). Baltimore has taken players off their board in the past (like tight end Rob Gronkowski last year) because of medical concerns.
Sorting through the secondary: The Bengals are in need of a young cornerback and could take one in the first round. Leon Hall's status is unknown after suffering a season-ending Achilles injury. Nate Clements is entering his 12th season. Plus, top backups Adam Jones and Kelly Jennings are unrestricted free agents. Cincinnati has no shot at the top cornerback in the draft, LSU's Morris Claiborne, who should go in the top five. The Bengals have to figure out who is the second-best corner: Alabama's Dre Kirkpatrick or North Alabama's Janoris Jenkins.
Disappointing double move: One potential target for the Browns' fourth overall pick is Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon. Cleveland is in desperate need of a playmaker for an offense that ranked 30th in scoring. Blackmon is considered the top wide receiver in the draft because of his hands and body control. But, if the Browns are going to invest this high of a pick, they have to gauge whether he has the speed to get open. It looks like the Browns will have to wait until Blackmon's March 9 pro day before they can time him. ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter reports "it doesn't look like" Blackmon will run with the rest of the receivers on Sunday.
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Ron Mexico
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Posted February 23rd, 2012 06:18 PM IP
Word from Indy
Heckert is sick and staying home
so far the Browns have met with Mike Adams, Riley Reiff, Orson Charles, Phillip Blake
Vikings and Rams both open for business and willing to trade..Rams even said to be in discussions with an un named team
Packers asking a 2nd rd pick for over hyped Flynn
Browns will make a play for Flynn but only at their price
I think we found Kyrie Irving
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Pronkville
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Posted February 24th, 2012 10:58 AM IP
Browns meeting with RG3 and other high profile prospects today.
RG3 heighted in at 6-2 and some change which will rise the stock IMO, many thought he might be shorter!
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