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judgesmales
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 Posted March 6th, 2012 03:35 PM IP   
I'm not overlooking March Madness, but I am thinking ahead a bit to coming years. It seems as though the Buckeyes have no incoming freshmen.
Can anyone provide an update on the next few classes? I'm not a subscriber or close follower of college recruiting.
I assume that Sully turns pro and obviously Buford's eligibility will be gone. I could see Thomas leaving after this season possibly.
I'm not trying to sound the alarm but the future seems a little bleak.
What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them.
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ronburgandy
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Posted March 6th, 2012 03:52 PM IP
They are waiting on a recruit to decide between OSU, Duke, and UCLA...Tony Parker. He's a 6'8 or 6'9 post player, pretty good size. He's really about the only possible recruit right now for the '12 class.
Yep, that's right.
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Dr. Torch
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Posted March 6th, 2012 05:56 PM IP
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judgesmales wrote:
I'm not overlooking March Madness, but I am thinking ahead a bit to coming years. It seems as though the Buckeyes have no incoming freshmen.
Can anyone provide an update on the next few classes? I'm not a subscriber or close follower of college recruiting.
I assume that Sully turns pro and obviously Buford's eligibility will be gone. I could see Thomas leaving after this season possibly.
I'm not trying to sound the alarm but the future seems a little bleak.
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we have a lot of talent on the bench, Scott, Amir Williams, Craft will be back, Lenzelle Smith Jr. will in all likelihood be back...we'll be reloaded for sure
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted March 6th, 2012 07:40 PM IP
Next year for Ohio State to have better than a .500 season Craft and Ross will both have to average 20ppg they're the only "shooters" on the roster. No one else on the team can do much more than dunk the ball.
Matta needs to recruit a couple of, slow, soft, bad of defense, good 3-point shooters.
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sportsjock
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Posted March 7th, 2012 04:41 AM IP
I feel strongly that Sullinger will return for another year and there is a loads of talent on the bench with Thomas, Ross, Craft, Williams, Scott and others.
If they can land Parker, they should field a good team again next year.
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Frank the Tank
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Posted March 7th, 2012 11:19 AM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
Next year for Ohio State to have better than a .500 season Craft and Ross will both have to average 20ppg they're the only "shooters" on the roster. No one else on the team can do much more than dunk the ball.
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I don't really agree with this at all. They will finish well above .500, without Craft averaging 20 ppg.
Ross is extremely talented. We've got talent on the bench, but as we all know Matta doesn't like to consistently play more that 6 or 7.
Hell, Minnesota is 5 games over .500 this year, and they aren't good.
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Lumberjack smith
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Posted March 7th, 2012 03:34 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
Next year for Ohio State to have better than a .500 season Craft and Ross will both have to average 20ppg they're the only "shooters" on the roster. No one else on the team can do much more than dunk the ball.
Matta needs to recruit a couple of, slow, soft, bad of defense, good 3-point shooters.
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I can't help but think you were high when you typed this. They'll finish in the top 3 of the Big 10 for sure. Scott is better than what he has shown and if Smith cam develop a decent jumper for next season your looking at a twin of David Lighty. Craft will continue to improve and from there you have some great athletes off the bench.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted March 7th, 2012 04:42 PM IP
My position assumes that both Sullinger and Thomas do not return for their Junior years.
Do you honestly think Williams, Ravenal, Thompson, Weatherspoon or Scott will miraculously overnight become capable of making 50% of anything further than 5-8 feet from the basket?
You're the one that MUST be high if you think Smith will ever be anything close to David Lighty.
Again, Ross and Craft will be the only 2 players on the roster next year who will be capable of consistently making 15+ foot jumpers.
The best thing Matta can do is, over the summer put in the Princeton offense, in the hopes of getting a lot of dunks or layups off that offense's many back cuts.
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TVTimeout
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Posted March 7th, 2012 06:07 PM IP
Ravenal is a very good player.....he's just not been given the extended minutes to prove it very often. How can anyone get into the flow of a game when only given a couple of minutes here or there. Smith WILL improve -- they usually do. How many were on here claiming Diebler was in over his head after his FR season?? He turned out to be just as advertised in my opinion.
Every year players graduate and we're left wondering who's gonna take over and someone does. Don't forget.....there are ALOT of very good Seniors graduating from these other schools while we lose ONE to graduation!!!
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SBCDot
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Posted March 7th, 2012 06:17 PM IP
Once all the players make their decisions on whether they will stay or go then we all can make assumptions on next season. The only way I see the bucks competing for another Big 10 title is if Sully would stay for another year. I see Indiana, Michigan, MSU, and OSU being the top teams next season.
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Dr. Torch
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Posted March 7th, 2012 07:37 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
My position assumes that both Sullinger and Thomas do not return for their Junior years.
Do you honestly think Williams, Ravenal, Thompson, Weatherspoon or Scott will miraculously overnight become capable of making 50% of anything further than 5-8 feet from the basket?
You're the one that MUST be high if you think Smith will ever be anything close to David Lighty.
Again, Ross and Craft will be the only 2 players on the roster next year who will be capable of consistently making 15+ foot jumpers.
The best thing Matta can do is, over the summer put in the Princeton offense, in the hopes of getting a lot of dunks or layups off that offense's many back cuts.
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beacause the Big-10 is full of kids with a dead-eye mid-range game coming out of High School?
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Lumberjack smith
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Posted March 7th, 2012 07:45 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
My position assumes that both Sullinger and Thomas do not return for their Junior years.
Do you honestly think Williams, Ravenal, Thompson, Weatherspoon or Scott will miraculously overnight become capable of making 50% of anything further than 5-8 feet from the basket?
You're the one that MUST be high if you think Smith will ever be anything close to David Lighty.
Again, Ross and Craft will be the only 2 players on the roster next year who will be capable of consistently making 15+ foot jumpers.
The best thing Matta can do is, over the summer put in the Princeton
offense, in the hopes of getting a lot of dunks or layups off that offense's
many back cuts.
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Lighty sophomore season: 9ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.1 apg, .445 FG%, .327 3PT%
Smith jr. sophomore season: 6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.4 apg, .474 FG%, .350 3PT%
This tells me that they're very similar. The difference in scoring tells me that Lighty shot more considering his shooting percentage isn't nearly as high as Smiths. Smith will develop into a very-Lighty like player.
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Dr. Torch
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Posted March 7th, 2012 07:59 PM IP
i love Lenzelle Smith Jr's game, he has incredible court vision
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stillinpreschool
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Posted March 7th, 2012 08:21 PM IP
Matta's great at getting kids to play his system, and coaching his team appropriately. There's a load of talent on the bench, and he'll put in an effective system for them to succeed.
Top 3 in the Big 10 for sure.
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Lumberjack smith
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Posted March 7th, 2012 09:53 PM IP
^Agreed. You have to be absolutely pitiful to go under .500 with OSU's schedule as WF suggests. Top 3 should be the expectation.
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scout15
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Posted March 8th, 2012 01:02 AM IP
OSU is going to be terrible next season they can't shot, can't dribble, Matta can't coach, there is no hope for development in the off season, none of these players will improve, ect ect ect....oh Craft can play some defense so they could win a few games.
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tigeralum01
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Posted March 8th, 2012 08:09 AM IP
I just dont think Thomas will leave after this year. This draft is way more deep than most years
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ScarletFever
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Posted March 8th, 2012 01:25 PM IP
I too was concerned with lack of news about our current recruiting hoops class. Our best bet is that Urban recruits a 2 sport player.
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scout15
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Posted March 8th, 2012 01:35 PM IP
As of right now technically we only have 1 scholarship to give next season.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted March 8th, 2012 02:04 PM IP
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TVTimeout wrote:
Ravenal is a very good player.....he's just not been given the extended minutes to prove it very often. How can anyone get into the flow of a game when only given a couple of minutes here or there. Smith WILL improve -- they usually do. How many were on here claiming Diebler was in over his head after his FR season?? He turned out to be just as advertised in my opinion.
Every year players graduate and we're left wondering who's gonna take over and someone does. Don't forget.....there are ALOT of very good Seniors graduating from these other schools while we lose ONE to graduation!!!
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We all knew Diebler was a "shooter". We all should know if Thomas leaves there will only be 2 "shooters" on the team.
Matta needs to recruit more "shooters" like Diebler, instead of so many dunk only players.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted March 8th, 2012 02:11 PM IP
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^Agreed. You have to be absolutely pitiful to go under .500 with OSU's schedule as WF suggests. Top 3 should be the expectation.
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IF Sullinger and Thomas BOTH leave early then MSU, Michigan, Indiana, and Wisconsin will all finish ahead of Ohio State. I can see a couple other teams possibly finishing ahead of Ohio State. That makes OSU close to or at .500 in the Big Ten. Obviously I wasn't talking about their overall record. There's always enough cupcakes on the schedule to finish over .500 for the season and make the NIT.
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ronburgandy
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Posted March 8th, 2012 02:16 PM IP
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MSU, Michigan, Indiana, and Wisconsin will all finish ahead of Ohio State. I can see a couple other teams possibly finishing ahead of Ohio State
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So outside of MSU, Michigan, Indiana, and Wisconsin, you think that between northwestern, Penn St., Nebraska, Minnesota and Iowa a couple of those teams will finish ahead of Ohio State? Dang man, whatever you're smoking I'll take some. Ohio State isn't going to fall down that far.
Yep, that's right.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted March 8th, 2012 02:24 PM IP
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ronburgandy wrote:
So outside of MSU, Michigan, Indiana, and Wisconsin, you think that between northwestern, Penn St., Nebraska, Minnesota and Iowa a couple of those teams will finish ahead of Ohio State? Dang man, whatever you're smoking I'll take some. Ohio State isn't going to fall down that far.
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I said "POSSIBLY".
If Sullinger and Thomas both return, Ohio State can win another Big Ten Title. If they both leave they lose 77% of the starters scoring.
Will Ravenal and Williams together equal Sullinger's scoring and rebounding? Will Ross, a raw Sophomore, equal Thomas in scoring and rebounding? Will Smith equal what Buford did this year? Will Thompson make more than 40% of his 15+ foot shots? Will Sibert transfer? Can Craft score in double figures?
If Sullinger and Thomas leave that's what will be needed from those players to be in the hunt for a Big Ten Title next year.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted March 8th, 2012 02:56 PM IP
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Lumberjack smith wrote:
Lighty sophomore season: 9ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.1 apg, .445 FG%, .327 3PT%
Smith jr. sophomore season: 6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.4 apg, .474 FG%, .350 3PT%
This tells me that they're very similar. The difference in scoring tells me that Lighty shot more considering his shooting percentage isn't nearly as high as Smiths. Smith will develop into a very-Lighty like player.
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The difference is, as a Junior and Senior, Lighty never had to be more than the #3 or #4 option. If Sullinger and Thomas leave, that makes Smith the #1 option. Unless you think Ross, a green Sophomore, can handle being the #1 option. Then Smith becomes the #2 option. Neither is anything close to what the offensive situations have been the past 2 seasons.
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Lumberjack smith
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Posted March 8th, 2012 10:17 PM IP
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OSU is going to be terrible next season they can't shot, can't dribble, Matta can't coach, there is no hope for development in the off season, none of these players will improve, ect ect ect....oh Craft can play some defense so they could win a few games.
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Has never had a team win under 20 games. He sucks.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted March 9th, 2012 03:49 PM IP
Iowa Freshman Aaron White 6-8 225 from Strongsville OH
Ohio State Freshman Sam Thompson 6-7 190 from Chicago IL
White - 23.4 min./game, 10.5 ppg, .505 FG%, .599 FT%, .300 3pt%, RB/game 5.5
Double Thompson's stats to compare with White.
Thompson - 22.8 min/game, 4.8 ppg, .508 FG%(dunks) .556 FT% .083 3pt%, RB/game 2.5
A slow shooter from Ohio or a dunker from Chicaco? I've wondered why White wasn't recruited by Ohio State. White would be a much better replacement for Thomas or Buford.
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scout15
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Posted March 28th, 2012 09:46 PM IP
Matta doesn't know what hes doing.
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xparty07
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Posted March 28th, 2012 09:52 PM IP
3 players from Ohio on that list.
None committed to OSU.
Lol...
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Streak23
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Posted March 28th, 2012 09:56 PM IP
I don't think OSU had any scholarships readily available for next season. If Sully and Thomas leave, that'll open some up.
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