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GG Sparty All-State Posts: 2303 Registered: Dec 2005	Posted October 28th, 2009 09:35 AM IP Chris Hawkins for D4 Coach of the Year. Coach Lewis would be a great choice if there are any awards for assistant coaches. Plymouth had no idea what they had with him. The guy knows offense and he knows how to make adjustments to best utilitze his talent. Very good coaching staff in Galion. I hope they all stick around for a while.

judgesmales
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Posted October 28th, 2009 09:53 AM IP

Interesting that last year, the main reason people said Ulmer didn't deserve 1st team all-NOL was that Galion's record wasn't good enough. A year later, and apparently, winning the NOL (at worst, a share with a team Galion beat) doesn't mean you will necessarily be well represented on the all-NOL teams.

Perhaps the opinion of Galion fans will change after seeing Bellevue on Friday--no doubt they have deserving performers on their offense based on the numbers they have put up. That's why they vote after all the league games.

Still, if Galion doesn't have 4 people on first team, it would be a shame.

Echo GG's sentiments on Hawk being a good choice for D4 coach of the year. I'm positive there are much better D4 teams, but if you look at the rankings, they are the same teams every year...except for Galion.

What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them.

Tigerpaw All-County Posts: 167 Registered: Oct 2006	Posted October 28th, 2009 10:13 AM IP Judge i have to agree with you Ulmer lead the league in tackles and was still only got second team. The feeling was Galions team wasn't good enough last year. Bellevue Tiffin And Fostoria seemed to have alot of first team last year? Galion should have at least 4 people deserving all Nol. But politics always seems to butt in!

Fastforward2 Moderator Posts: 5984 Registered: Mar 2009	Posted October 28th, 2009 11:16 AM IP How does politics play a part. You nominate can't vote for your own other league coaches do. Where does politics enter? Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

salty_monkey
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Posted October 28th, 2009 11:24 AM IP

Quote:
Fastforward2 wrote:
How does politics play a part. You nominate can't vote for your own other league coaches do. Where does politics enter?

There are ALWAYS politics involved!

�What is integrity? It is absolute, wholeness, and truth. Without blemish.�

owu02
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Registered: Aug 2009

Posted October 28th, 2009 12:22 PM IP

Quote:
GG Sparty wrote:
Chris Hawkins for D4 Coach of the Year.

I absolutely agree with this...it'd be hard to find a better candidate.

Brutus149
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Posted October 28th, 2009 01:25 PM IP

Players that should get at least HM, I'm assuming some positions like RB have 2 first team, 2 second, and 1 HM, QB one each...
In no particular order and no way is it a full list, and on top of that there still is one game left.

RB
Brooks (Galion)
Ward (Tiffin)
Gerber (Upper)
Lance (Shelby)

QB
Watson (Bellevue)

WR
Kneeskern (Tiffin)
Foos (Bellevue)
Williams (Fostoria)
Sanchez (Willard)

O-Line
Bogner (Willard)

D-Line
Krupp (Tiffin)
Coombs (Willard)
Zelenak (Fostoria)
Wagoner (Shelby)
Kauffman (Shelby) and probably their whole starting D-line

LB
Champer (Shelby)
Ulmer (Galion)

DB
Wallace (Galion)
Douglas (Willard)
At least one of Tiffin's Corners

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

Blodg
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Posted October 28th, 2009 01:33 PM IP

Quote:
judgesmales wrote:

Echo GG's sentiments on Hawk being a good choice for D4 coach of the year. I'm positive there are much better D4 teams, but if you look at the rankings, they are the same teams every year...except for Galion.

I agree Hawkins is deserving and the turnaround he has led this team on has to be recognized. There is, however, another team that is not one of the "same teams every year" in Edison. I am not sure about all-time but in the last 25 years Edison has only made the play-off's one time and have never won a play-off game.

ronburgandy
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Posted October 28th, 2009 02:24 PM IP

Good list Brutus. I don't know the names of many players from other teams but it loks pretty good, I would imagine there would be a few more Galion players though because of the year they're having.

Also, at RB I would put Cok(Willard) in there somewhere. He had the best yards per rush average in NOL play. His name cam up quite a bit on both offense and defense.

Yep, that's right.

Fastforward2 Moderator Posts: 5984 Registered: Mar 2009	Posted October 28th, 2009 03:05 PM IP I'm not sure I would pick Watson over Tiffin's QB. We will see how Watson does against Galion Friday. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

mr.know it all
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Posted October 28th, 2009 06:09 PM IP

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ronburgandy wrote:
Good post, RedWarrior. Just because a team had the best record doesn't always mean they had the best players at every position. There plenty of deserving players from Galion to be on the All-NOL list but there are plenty of players from every other team as well. But since Galion did win the league and have the best record, they will probably end up with the most, just not quite as many as some people are listing on here, IMO.

well said, there will always be kids who deserve to make it and dont, and vice versa,, but for the most part, they do a pretty good job of picking it.

"I never said most of the things I said, but when I do say is it,it's the truth!!!

mr.know it all
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Posted October 28th, 2009 06:32 PM IP

Quote:
Fastforward2 wrote:
I'm not sure I would pick Watson over Tiffin's QB. We will see how Watson does against Galion Friday.

watson is a no-brainer, regardless of what he does against galion. After seeing what he has done all year, your going to let ONE GAME determine if he is a first team nol qb. That is the stupidest thing i've heard yet. You get my vote for stupidest mod. on the planet.

"I never said most of the things I said, but when I do say is it,it's the truth!!!

marsblackmon All-Block Posts: 35 Registered: Jan 2008	Posted October 28th, 2009 06:55 PM IP Chase Kenner from Upper Sandusky is leading the league with 5 interceptions...hard to not have him in there as one of the DBs. The New Math: Football > the comprehension level of a tennis player

Redmen Football 32
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Posted October 28th, 2009 07:06 PM IP

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BellevueFan wrote:
Red Warrior would agree on your picks except I would have Adam Manner as DB instead of Roth.

I agree with that 100%. Manner will step up and hit the **** out of you! Very nice season for Manner.

Football at it's BEST. GO BIG RED
It's amazing what a group can accomplish when no one cares who gets the credit!!!

Redmen Football 32
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Posted October 28th, 2009 07:08 PM IP

Quote:
Tigerpaw wrote:
Judge i have to agree with you Ulmer lead the league in tackles and was still only got second team. The feeling was Galions team wasn't good enough last year. Bellevue Tiffin And Fostoria seemed to have alot of first team last year? Galion should have at least 4 people deserving all Nol. But politics always seems to butt in!

I would like to think stats matter, not politics.

Football at it's BEST. GO BIG RED
It's amazing what a group can accomplish when no one cares who gets the credit!!!

Fastforward2 Moderator Posts: 5984 Registered: Mar 2009	Posted October 28th, 2009 07:39 PM IP mr know it all: What is his record and what did he do against a good team like Tiffin. Answer 0. Like I said we will see what he does against another good team like Galion. Tiffin's QB is far more versatile IMO. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

ronburgandy
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Posted October 28th, 2009 07:44 PM IP

Quote:
Fastforward2 wrote:
What is his record and what did he do against a good team like Tiffin. Answer 0.

That doesn't make sense

Yep, that's right.

Fastforward2
Moderator

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Posted October 28th, 2009 08:04 PM IP

Sure it does he did nothing against a good team. He put 6 pts on the board against Tiffin's back ups. He is in an offense that allows him to throw almost every down and against poor quality teams his stats look very good. Like I said Tiffin's QB has played just as well over all and is a lot more athletic.

Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Fastforward2 Moderator Posts: 5984 Registered: Mar 2009	Posted October 28th, 2009 08:14 PM IP Tiffin's QB has a higher percentage of completions, more TD tosses and in 80 less pass attempts at this point of the season. You can argue a case for him. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

ronburgandy
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Posted October 28th, 2009 08:16 PM IP

Quote:
Fastforward2 wrote:
and is a lot more athletic.

You sure about that? Have you seen Watson?

And I'm not even from Bellevue.

Yep, that's right.

Fastforward2
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Posted October 28th, 2009 08:22 PM IP

You would have to time Watson with an egg timer in the 40!! I have seen him play 6 or 7 times and will go to the game Friday as it should be a great atmosphere if not raining. If it rains Galion will have more people their than Bellevue. I think for the Bellevue tradition they are poorly supported by their fan base as is Tiffin.

Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

ronburgandy Seeker of Truth Posts: 4555 Registered: Jan 2007	Posted October 28th, 2009 08:27 PM IP You don't have to have a good 40 time to be athletic. Yep, that's right.

TornadoWarning
All-Region

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Posted October 28th, 2009 08:36 PM IP

Quote:
ronburgandy wrote:

You sure about that? Have you seen Watson?

And I'm not even from Bellevue.

Are you arguing that Watson is MORE athletic than Tittle or less (as fastforward is suggesting)?

I've seen Watson play 4 times...everytime against TC over the last 3 years..

I've watched Tittle play QB all year...plus watched him play SS for the TC baseball team..

I think fastforward is 100% correct on that observation of Tittle being more athletic and faster...

Doesn't mean he's better..and that's not what I'm saying...but from the 4 games I've seen Watson play in against TC "athletic" was not a word I'd use to describe him...

ronburgandy Seeker of Truth Posts: 4555 Registered: Jan 2007	Posted October 28th, 2009 08:42 PM IP I'm just saying that I think Watson is very athletic, especially for as big as he is. I've seen him more on the basketball court than on a football field so I'm going by that a little more. Yep, that's right.

Fastforward2 Moderator Posts: 5984 Registered: Mar 2009	Posted October 28th, 2009 09:01 PM IP Something else to keep in mind Tiffin's QB split time at QB this year with Burns on more than one occasion and his stats are still very comparable to Watson. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

ronburgandy Seeker of Truth Posts: 4555 Registered: Jan 2007	Posted October 28th, 2009 09:04 PM IP I'm not even arguing stats or if he should be first team, etc...I just think it's dumb to say he's not athletic. Yep, that's right.

Fastforward2 Moderator Posts: 5984 Registered: Mar 2009	Posted October 28th, 2009 09:17 PM IP I said Tiffin's QB is more athletic. I don't think that is even debatable. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

redmen40
All-Block

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Registered: Feb 2007

Posted October 28th, 2009 09:39 PM IP

Quote:
Fastforward2 wrote:
mr know it all: What is his record and what did he do against a good team like Tiffin. Answer 0. Like I said we will see what he does against another good team like Galion. Tiffin's QB is far more versatile IMO.

fastforward did you realize that the tiffin game watson was on the sidelines for most of the game because the defense couldn't stop tiffin? How is the kid spose to put any points on the board when he is stuck on the sidelines? If you don't think he is the best QB in the NOL then you are BLIND! He might not have the talent around him this year like he did last year, hence why bellevue's record is what it is. If you would watch a bellevue game you would see how many dropped passes his receivers have that should be caught (example 3 in overtime during the upper game). If one of those 3 passes that EACH hit a receiver in the chest and was dropped, was caught, then Bellevue would be playing for a NOL title this week. Watson is a very good athlete on the football field and the basketball court. Not taking anything away from Tittle, he had a very nice season but Watson is the better QB

mr.know it all
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Posted October 28th, 2009 10:55 PM IP

Quote:
Fastforward2 wrote:
I said Tiffin's QB is more athletic. I don't think that is even debatable.

the agruement from the very begining was about all league status at qb., not who is the better athlete. Just because Title is faster and quicker, he's the better qb. -give me a fricken break. Believe it or not, there's more to being a qb. than your 40 time. Curt has the stats to back it up -end of discussion

"I never said most of the things I said, but when I do say is it,it's the truth!!!

mr.know it all
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Posted October 28th, 2009 11:04 PM IP

Quote:
TornadoWarning wrote:

Are you arguing that Watson is MORE athletic than Tittle or less (as fastforward is suggesting)?

I've seen Watson play 4 times...everytime against TC over the last 3 years..

I've watched Tittle play QB all year...plus watched him play SS for the TC baseball team..

I think fastforward is 100% correct on that observation of Tittle being more athletic and faster...

Doesn't mean he's better..and that's not what I'm saying...but from the 4 games I've seen Watson play in against TC "athletic" was not a word I'd use to describe him...

Watson is a 3 year starter in football, and a soon to be 2 year starter in basketball, he may have a chance to play div. 1 football in college, but he is not very athletic in your eyes. that may be the second dumbest statement i've read tonight! Are you and fastforward drinking from the same glass tonight?

"I never said most of the things I said, but when I do say is it,it's the truth!!!

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