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BHSalum All-State Posts: 1816 Registered: Dec 2006	Posted October 21st, 2009 05:07 PM IP How about a game between the 1961 Bellevue and 1985 Galion teams? We're all behind our baseball team-- Go get 'em, Tigers!

Brutus149
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Posted October 21st, 2009 05:39 PM IP

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owu02 wrote:
Well, it's clear from the data that top to bottom the NOL is vastly inferior than what it was in 2001. But, what is the purpose of the thread? To try and trash Galion ? (not the team, but a good deal of the posters) ...

Some of the way you guys (seem to) act over 16-18 year old kids is just plain bizarre (because some people always try to see the worst in any poster than doesn't sing the praises of the school/s that they follow, regardless if it's warranted in that given post or not).

The point is for some to stop giving out "great team" stickers to any and every team that doesn't look inept vs the team with the best record in the NOL this year (more edited in above).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

salty_monkey
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Posted October 21st, 2009 07:04 PM IP

Quote:
owu02 wrote:
Well, it's clear from the data that top to bottom the NOL is vastly inferior than what it was in 2001. But, what is the purpose of the thread? To try and trash Galion? I just don't get why you'd start a random thread like this.

Some of the way you guys act over 16-18 year old kids is just plain bizarre.

That is vogel for ya!

“What is integrity? It is absolute, wholeness, and truth. Without blemish.”

salty_monkey
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Posted October 21st, 2009 07:06 PM IP

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Brutus149 wrote:

The point is for some to stop giving out "great team" stickers to any and every team that doesn't look inept vs the team with the best record in the NOL this year (more edited in above).

Who gave out a "great team" sticker to Galion? We are only proud of the fact that this team is currently 8-0. Trust me, we know what a great team is....1985 Galion Tigers........at this point, no comparison to this current season.

“What is integrity? It is absolute, wholeness, and truth. Without blemish.”

giffiusmcohio74
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Posted October 21st, 2009 08:24 PM IP

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Brutus149 wrote:

The point is for some to stop giving out "great team" stickers to any and every team that doesn't look inept vs the team with the best record in the NOL this year (more edited in above).

Why don't u guys just write all the posts the way you want to read them then?

Good lord. Find something better to do with your time.

Semper Fi!

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RedWarrior
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Posted October 28th, 2009 12:15 AM IP

The characteristics of anyone who honestly believes that the 2001 NOL could beat the 2009 NOL are ignorance, no grasp on what football is today and what the spread does to teams, and they often finds themselve (Still) wondering how the Big Ten keeps losing to the SEC. Thats what would happen to a 2001 NOL team if they played the evenly match 2009 NOL team, itd b like Indiana Vs. Florida. Todays teams are fast, I mean REALLY fast. There is absolutly no way a 2001 NOL team could keep up, or matcch up with the speed, and open field ability of the kids today. True they where far stronger, but when you can put 9 men in the box the offense has no hope of scoring 50 plus points a game like we do today. Speed is the name of the game gentalmen and ladies. Your fast, or loose. Simple facts.

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RedWarrior
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Posted October 28th, 2009 12:25 AM IP

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Brutus149 wrote:

The point is for some to stop giving out "great team" stickers to any and every team that doesn't look inept vs the team with the best record in the NOL this year (more edited in above).

Last time i check no team has a giant sticker on their helmets that read "great team". the only team tht anyone says COULD be great is Galion, and if they move up from good to great has yet to be seen. Dont get me wrong, i dont want anyone saying im dissing Galion. COngrats to them, its nicw to see them turn thir program around. But your not great untill the fat lady sings at the end of the season. Im not saying the NOL is powerhouse like we where in the 90's or the early 2000's but hey, football is way different, and the NOL is obviously resistant to change although we're getting there. So before you start saying the old NOL had tons great teams think of it this way, Divison 3 didnt have as much talent. All these "great teams" lost anytime they faced a semi-spread. The NOL had a string of strength in a strong football era.

Live, Think, Breath Red

Brutus149
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Posted October 28th, 2009 12:47 AM IP

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RedWarrior wrote:
The characteristics of anyone who honestly believes that the 2001 NOL could beat the 2009 NOL are ignorance, no grasp on what football is today and what the spread does to teams, and they often finds themselve (Still) wondering how the Big Ten keeps losing to the SEC. Thats what would happen to a 2001 NOL team if they played the evenly match 2009 NOL team, itd b like Indiana Vs. Florida. Todays teams are fast, I mean REALLY fast. There is absolutly no way a 2001 NOL team could keep up, or matcch up with the speed, and open field ability of the kids today. True they where far stronger, but when you can put 9 men in the box the offense has no hope of scoring 50 plus points a game like we do today. Speed is the name of the game gentalmen and ladies. Your fast, or loose. Simple facts.

Let me paraphrase what you just said

"Why would Chewbacca, a 7' Wookie, live on Endor, with a bunch of 3' Ewoks?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

Brutus149
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Posted October 28th, 2009 01:00 AM IP

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RedWarrior wrote:

All these "great teams" lost anytime they faced a semi-spread. The NOL had a string of strength in a strong football era.

Huron ran the spread, nearly beat D-4 state champs, Willard beat them, Bellevue blew their game vs Huron because they couldn't tackle Huron's QB who was better high school QB than any QB in the NOL this year.

Big Walnut lost to Bellevue, BW had a D-1 recruit RB. Bellevue lost to a team that ran the option the next week.

In case you didn't know, Kenton was running the spread in the 90's. Huron was running the spread in the 90's. That offense is not some new phenomenon.
Tiffin passed a lot until their top 6'4" WR got hurt. Still had speedy RB, Syringe knows about him. And a good receiving TE
Willard passed a lot, had future starting QB for Ashland U
Bellevue mostly passed and put speedy small backs at RB and FB. And had D-3 Offensive Player of the Year at QB.

You're making arguments that don't hold water for a second.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

Willard Fillmore All-State Posts: 2552 Registered: Dec 2006	Posted October 28th, 2009 11:02 PM IP Most interesting, but not mentioned stat. In this down year in the NOL, of all the schools Willard has fallen the furthest. Willard is the school that stinks more than any other, Willard is the school that has failed the most. The difference in their 2 "numbers" is 36.121, a larger differential than any other NOL school. #13

Brutus149 All-State Posts: 1031 Registered: Sep 2008	Posted October 29th, 2009 01:09 AM IP Mad TV gets canceled and WF tries to bring comedy back to the 11 PM time slot. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

Vogel
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Posted October 29th, 2009 06:56 AM IP

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Willard Fillmore wrote:
Most interesting, but not mentioned stat. In this down year in the NOL, of all the schools Willard has fallen the furthest. Willard is the school that stinks more than any other, Willard is the school that has failed the most.

The difference in their 2 "numbers" is 36.121, a larger differential than any other NOL school.

Your point? Don't think anyone said 2009 Willard was as good as 2001.

Seen many, many, many, many, many, many Galion fans cry and moan and whine when someone says they are a 5-2 / 4-3 type team in a TYPICAL year. That would be 8-2 or 7-3 this year with Galion's non-league schedule.

2001 Bellevue went 8-2
2001 Willard went 7-3

^^^^ Galion must be the greatest b/c their fans cry and whine when you say they'd be 8-2 or 7-3 in a typical year. That means they think they are superior to 2001 Bellevue and 2001 Willard. Otherwise why do they cry so much?

If you say 2009 Galion would go 8-2 or 7-3 - They say we are BETTER THAN THAT
2001 Bellevue went 8-2 <---- I guess Galion thinks they are BETTER

Can't wait to see 2009 Galion in the D-IV State Championship game. I mean if 8-2 is an insult (and they've told me repeatedly I'm cruel, mean, insulting, etc when I mention 8-2) then they surely will make the D-IV State Championship game, seeing that 2001 Bellevue made the D-III State Semi-Final Game. (8-2) 2001 Bellevue wouldn't stand a chance vs 2009 Galion. It's an insult to even infer that 2009 Galion would not go 10-0 in any and every year of existence of the NOL.

giffiusmcohio74 All-State Posts: 3587 Registered: Sep 2007	Posted October 29th, 2009 11:25 AM IP I've never seen Willard in a state championship game. For any sport. Must suck! Semper Fi! Actions Speak Louder Than Words! No Better Friend... No Worse Enemy! Count on it.

GG Sparty All-State Posts: 2302 Registered: Dec 2005	Posted October 29th, 2009 11:35 AM IP Alright, let's stop arguing. I agree with Vogel, Galion is the greatest! End of discussion.

giffiusmcohio74 All-State Posts: 3587 Registered: Sep 2007	Posted October 29th, 2009 11:49 AM IP I concur. Galion is great!!!! If we don't win the state championship then we suck! Go Tigers. Semper Fi! Actions Speak Louder Than Words! No Better Friend... No Worse Enemy! Count on it.

salty_monkey NOSF Insider Posts: 4123 Registered: Jan 2006	Posted October 29th, 2009 01:42 PM IP I think we are "great" for just making the playoffs! LOL No one else in the league must be "great" then? “What is integrity? It is absolute, wholeness, and truth. Without blemish.”

Tigerpaw All-County Posts: 167 Registered: Oct 2006	Posted October 29th, 2009 02:34 PM IP I agree with Vagasil Galion is the Greatest !!!!!!! or Maybe the 2001 teams or let me think maybe the 1985 Galion team or maybe the Willard team Man this is confusing I give up!!!!!!!!!!!

Titan48 All-Block Posts: 15 Registered: Oct 2009	Posted October 29th, 2009 04:21 PM IP Vogel get a life dude. Go TIGERS. American Pride

ptangzoot
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Posted October 29th, 2009 04:35 PM IP

Quote:
salty_monkey wrote:
No one else in the league must be "great" then?

based on what I have seen this year I would agree with that.

(granted I have only seen webcast and statistics online)

Whatever....
Just stopping by for a minute...
Don't expect me to care.
I am over at ohiochatter.com

Brutus149
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Posted October 29th, 2009 06:04 PM IP

Quote:
Titan48 wrote:
Vogel get a life dude. Go TIGERS.

Don't try to make an argument even to yourself that a team in the future is good despite their record when they have a loaded schedule and lose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

Think Red All-Region Posts: 951 Registered: May 2009	Posted October 29th, 2009 06:39 PM IP In 2001 you had more then one team make the playoffs with what 4 playoff wins and here in 2008 Galion will be the only team in not to mention will they win a playoff game, something tha has been a long time since they seen in Galion. PENN.STATE (JO PA)

Vogel
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Posted October 30th, 2009 06:31 AM IP

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giffiusmcohio74 wrote:
I've never seen Willard in a state championship game. For any sport.

Must suck!

I've never seen Galion in a State Championship game. For any sport.

Yet, there is Willard with a State Championship in Girls Basketball, and Galion has their State Championships.

Carry on.

2009 Galion is the greatest. They'd smack around 2001 (8-2) Bellevue.

How dare anyone not see how great 2009 Galion is compared to past teams. 2009 Galion would crush those teams.

2001 Bellevue
- Won 4 games vs Playoff teams

2001 Willard
- Won 4 games vs Playoff teams

2009 Galion
-10 games played in the regular season = 0 vs Playoff teams

^^^^^ Don't be fooled by the close scores either. Galion is the greatest.
- All those NON-Playoff teams are GREAT.
- Don't be fooled by Upper and Willard getting crushed by Carey. Willard and Upper are Top Tier.
- Don't be fooled by Shelby getting Stomped by Lexington. Shelby is GREAT.
- Don't be fooled by Bellevue losing by 1000 in a single game and giving up 35+ a game. Bellevue is GREAT
- Don't be fooled by TC's only non-league win being by 16 vs a (1-8) team. TC is GREAT.

Watch what Galion does in the playoffs. They are going to smoke through the playoffs to the State Championship game. They are going to make 2001 Bellevue look like Chumps.

2001 Willard games vs PLAYOFF TEAMS
- Lost to Margaretta (14-26)
- Margaretta won 2 playoff games before losing in round 3 to Kenton

- Beat Huron (34-25)
- Huron lost in round 2, giving Kenton it's toughest game of the playoffs

- Beat Bellevue (20-6)
- Bellevue lost in the 4th round of the playoffs

- Beat Upper (14-3)
- Upper lost in round 1 of the playoffs to the AP #1 team

- Beat Bellefontaine (27-7)
- Beat them by 20 in the 1st round of the playoffs

- Lost to Big Walnut (22-24)
- Lost by 2 in the 2nd round to Big Walnut the AP #1 team

2001 Willard finished 3rd in the NOL. No doubt 2009 Galion would have finished 1st in 2001.

2001 Willard would have stood no chance vs 2009 Galion.

2009 Galion beats 0 playoff teams.
2009 Galion beats (2-7) teams by 7
2009 Galion beats (0-9) teams by 14
2009 Galion beats (3-6) teams by 7
2009 Galion is a juggernaut

2009 Galion is going to make 2001 Willard's 20 pt first round playoff win and 2 pt loss in the 2nd round to the AP #1 team look like chump change.

2009 Galion is the real deal. They would have went 6-0 vs those 6 playoff teams 2001 Willard faced.

giffiusmcohio74
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Posted October 30th, 2009 08:58 AM IP

Things are pretty bad in Willard when on a football thread we are talking about girls state championships. LOL. Wow.

I'm going to break Vogel silence for this post and this post only.

Dude.... why don't you give up comparing 2001 to 2009. Your 2001 Willard team would smoke this league this year. Galion wouldn't stand a chance. Were you on that team? Is that why you are so on your knees with that team? Get up, wipe your chin off and move on in life. 2001 is long gone.

The only thing you are doing is telling every school on this thread how pathetic they are. The founder of this site wishes to dismantle anything positive about every school in the NOL. Nice.

You may try to find better things to do with your time. Maybe go click on your internet job banner flashing above, or something.

You take your 2001 Willard team. I'll take my1985 Galion team. If we want to live in the past... well let's bring out the best. 2 platoon buddy. Do you even know what that means? 22 elite athletes. 11 on each side. Would destroy your beloved Willard flashies.

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ptangzoot
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Posted October 30th, 2009 09:55 AM IP

Quote:
giffiusmcohio74 wrote:
I've never seen Willard in a state championship game. For any sport.

Must suck!

to be fair you did not specify an individual sport.

Whatever....
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Don't expect me to care.
I am over at ohiochatter.com

giffiusmcohio74
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Posted October 30th, 2009 12:00 PM IP

Quote:
ptangzoot wrote:

to be fair you did not specify an individual sport.

I know. I've been a fan of Willard basketball since my playing days.... I'm just messing with Vogel.

I'm not sure of his fascination with 2001 vs. 2009. Who cares. If we want to compare... why not compare 2001 to 1985. Or 1961? Or 1976?

Semper Fi!

Actions Speak Louder Than Words! No Better Friend... No Worse Enemy! Count on it.

Brutus149 All-State Posts: 1031 Registered: Sep 2008	Posted October 30th, 2009 12:16 PM IP Once again, don't try to argue in the future that a team is better than their record indicates if you don't like someone proposing the idea that you're team isn't as good as the record might have some to believe....and that's why, and it takes willful ignorance to continue to ignore that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

GG Sparty
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Posted October 30th, 2009 12:30 PM IP

I've got a great idea! Let's find the best year maybe in the HISTORY of the NOL for having multiple good teams. We will use that single season to make an arguement that Galion is not a good team this year.

During the 2001 season the NOL was unusually strong with 4 teams making the playoffs. In 50 years there has never been another year such as 2001 yet Vogel chooses that SINGLE season as the measuring stick for Galion.

Let's compare about 20 other seasons that are MORE TYPICAL and you will see that the NOL has had many seasons just like this season. Vogel would like for you to trust him that this season is the worst in NOL history, thus discrediting Galion for having success. He played the same card last basketball season.

He also uses our "Cal Prep" (bullcrap) rating and compares it to the best teams of the past. TWO problems, he selectively chooses the teams to compare Galion to. Then he takes Galion's score after 7 or 8 games and compares it to past teams that had finished a full schedule.

I find it hard to beleive that a guy who rivals Einstein doesn't realize his bias. Somebody has an agenda. Agenda one is to discredit Galion, agenda two is to live in Willard's past because the present hurts too much.

Brutus149
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Posted October 30th, 2009 01:49 PM IP

112 more teams statewide make the playoffs per year since '99 than not too long before that.
There have been other years were multiple teams would have made the playoffs before that if the current system was in place.

Only 3 teams made the playoffs in 2001, with 4 playoff wins

Since playoff expansion; # of NOL teams in the playoffs [playoff wins] and wins vs playoff teams OOC
1999: 3 [1, loses to each other or to D-3 runner-up with multiple D-1 starters] NA
2000: 2 [1] NA
2001: 3 [4, Bellevue beat Medina Highland sans Mike Kudla-OSU starter] 1
2002: 3 [1] 1
2003: 3 [0] 3
2004: 3 [3] 2
2005: 1 [0] 0
2006: 1 [1] 1
2007: 2 [1] 3
2008: 3 [2] 2
2009: 1 [TBA] 0

Typical years have 2+ NOL teams in the playoffs with at least one OOC win vs a playoff team. And comparing those typical years would have none of this years teams as favorites, some years have teams by far favorites including 2004 Bellevue.
If a batter in baseball goes from batting .233 and 8th in the lineup to batting .243 and moving up 4 spots to cleanup the next year, I wouldn't call that a huge improvement in actual hitting....IIRC, Galion beat a bunch of .500 teams on their B-ball run.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

RedWarrior
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Posted November 11th, 2009 09:10 PM IP

You guys obviously dont get the point of what I was trying to say. My point is that you cant say the NOL has gotten a ton worse since the 2001 season based of of the comparison of statistics and wins (no matter what caliber of team they faced). Football is a whole new animal since 2001. Were talking different styles, defferent emphasis, different coaching styles, different rules. You could say compared to opponents the NOL has degraded, but unless you have a way to take the 2009 Galion Tigers back in time to play the 2001 Bellevue Redmen or Tiffen Tornado's we'll never know who would win head to head, because the styles are so dramaticaly different.

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Vogel
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Posted November 12th, 2009 07:04 AM IP

^^^^ So you mean teams in 2001 played the same way 2009 Eastwood played? And they won by what vs (10-0) Galion?

Football is and always will be about running the football and playing great D. No surprise Willard looked horrible for the 1st 4 games this year, they were passing more than they ran. In the final 6 games Willard started to run it more than they passed and success happened.

2009 Carey = runs it just about every play - playoff team
2009 Edison = runs it just about every play - playoff team
2009 Eastwood = runs it just about every play - playoff team

2009 Bellevue - throw the ball - didn't make the playoffs

2009 Willard = 0-4 when they threw the ball more than they ran it
2009 Willard = 3-3 when they ran it more times than they threw it

2009 Ohio State = 7 total carries by all the RB's combined in a loss to woeful Purdue
2009 Ohio State = 39 Total carries by all the RB's combined in a 17 point win over Penn State

Football is and always will be about running the ball and playing great D. Quit on the run in the 1st quarter and you are in deep trouble. Jim Tressel quit on the run vs Purdue in the 1st quarter and it got him a loss to a pathetic team. Smart move Jimmy.

You can line up in any formation you want, it doesn't matter, but if you don't try to run the ball, your success will be limited and if you can't run the ball you will stink.

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