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FbFan
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 Posted February 7th, 2012 01:19 PM IP   
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downtown_for_th wrote:
The OCC's western schools had their pow-wow. Once Shelby told them they weren't interested, there wasn't much left to explore.
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What does this mean concerning all the speculation of the breakup of the OCC? Still going to happen?
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Ezekiel
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Posted February 7th, 2012 01:50 PM IP
With this being shot down, it will eventually happen but not as soon as expected.
The dominos has starting to speed up as a lot of schools are engaging in coversations to make sure they aren't stuck where they don't want to be.
From the SBC, Firelands, NOL, NCC, OCC, MOAC, New "NCC" along with the leagues west and south of these above leagues as well.
The biggest thing is they can't think about this immediate 3-4 years when aligining these new conferences. They need to look out 10-15 years even more otherwise there is going to be a continued circus of switching leagues.
Champions are made in the off-season.
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted February 7th, 2012 02:23 PM IP
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downtown_for_th wrote:
Didn't say anything about them being average.... CLOSEST thing was not being as good since Collins departed.....
Mansfield Senior is not that good in football, Galion should have won their game this year. They record is 40-60 over the past 10 years. Mansfield basketball hasn't been as good ever since they ran Collins off.
I think my readin' comp is improving slightly 
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Nope, it has obviously diminished. However, not all is lost. Pay attention, read carefully and learn.
That quote is THE TRUTH, I provided facts for proof, but has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with a SPECIFIC Mansfield Senior team. I don't have the data to plug into the formula (x/y=z) to determine what an above average, average or below average Mansfield Senior team is. ALL schools have a different number for their average team for a given period in time.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 7th, 2012 02:26 PM IP
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scooter wrote:
Willy is using 26 years of teams.
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EXACTLY, with one constant.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 7th, 2012 02:29 PM IP
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MrSteel wrote:
2011= not a power team.
Fillmore says "normal" yrs. not me.
What part of ooc schedule confuses you?
(Edited by MrSteel)
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I NEVER used the term "normal", that is a term that Vogel LIED and said I used. WTF is a "normal" team????
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 7th, 2012 03:09 PM IP
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Vogel wrote:Simple factsAccording to Ontario fans
Willard sucked before Haas - (56% - 19-15) in the toournament leading up to HaasOntario under Balogh is great - (60% - 39-26) in the tournament (Shows Ontario Greatness)Willard "suck" years are nearly as good as the Great Ontario Warriors under Balogh.  Ontario
1 for 22 at getting out of Sectionals at the D-2 / Class AA level -- Includes 7 years of the great Joe Balogh
And the fact Fillmore is still ranting about D-3 tournament wins is hilarious. The bozo still hasn't figured out how to analyze the difference between levels. Ontario through the years under Balogh 1986 - 13-7 ------ (0-1) in Class AA tournament 1987 - 13-7------- (0-1) in Class AA tournament 1988 - 7-13 ------ (0-1) in D-3 tournament 1989 - 16-4 ------ (1-1) in D-3 tournament 1990 - 20-0 ------ (4-1) in D-3 tournament 1991 - 11-9 ------ (1-1) in D-3 tournament 1992 - 7-13 ------ (1-1) in D-3 tournament 1993 - 14-6 ------ (1-1) in D-3 tournament 1994 - 18-2 ------ (3-1) in D-3 tournament
1995 - 16-4 ------ (5-1) in D-3 tournament <-------- In D-2 what would they have done 1996 - 15-5 ------ (0-1) in D-3 tournament 1997 - 19-1 ------ (4-1) in D-3 tournament
1998 - 19-1 ------ (3-1) in D-3 tournament 1999 - 12-8 ------ (1-1) in D-3 tournament 2000 - 17-3 ------ (3-1) in D-3 tournament 2001 - 19-1 ------ (2-1) in D-3 tournament 2002 - 14-6 ------ (0-1) in D-3 tournament 2003 - 16-4 ------ (0-1) in D-2 tournament 2004 - 15-5 ------ (1-1) in D-2 tournament 2005 - 10-10 ----- (0-1) in D-2 tournament 2006 - 15-5 ------- (1-1) in D-2 Tournament 2007 - 17-3 ------- (0-1) in D-2 tournament 2008 - 18-2 ------- (2-1) in D-3 tournament
2009 - 10-10 ----- (1-1) in D-3 tournament 2010 - 14-6 ------ (2-1) in D-3 tournament <-------------- In D-2 what would they have done? 2011 - 13-7 ------ (3-1) in D-3 tournament <-------------- In D-2 what would they have done? Median win total 15 Median loss total 5 Average win total 14.5 Average loss total 5.5 - According to Fillmore 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2007 Ontario was below average - Then Fillmore and his pal Steel want us all to believe that it takes a GREAT team to get out of a simple D-2 Sectional
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LIAR - No one said the pre-Hass teams sucked.
FACT - Before Balogh Ontario basketball DID suck in comparison.
LIAR - No one said Ontario was great
LIAR - No one said Balogh was great.
FACT - The 7 years you speak of, Ontario had 6 average or below average teams.
LIAR - I am not, nor have I ever, been ranting about DIII tournaments.
FACT - YOU have been ranting, I have been responding to your HATE rants.
FACT - YOU are a complete  , what do YOUR basketball HATE rants have to do with a football forum?
LIAR - I gave very specific differences between the different "levels" the wants to rant and hate about.
LIAR - I never said it took a "great team" to get out of a DII Sectional.
I DARE you to prove ANY of your LIES are true statements. If you do not, you have proven yourself to be a LIAR.
A BELOW AVERAGE DIII Ontario Varsity beat Willard Varsity by 8, Ontario's JVs beat Willard's JVs by 14. Ontario's Freshmen beat Willard's Freshmen by double figures. It's lucky for Willard that their 7th and 8th grade teams didn't play Ontario's 7th and 8th grade teams.
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FbFan
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Posted February 7th, 2012 03:10 PM IP
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Ezekiel wrote:
The biggest thing is they can't think about this immediate 3-4 years when aligining these new conferences. They need to look out 10-15 years even more otherwise there is going to be a continued circus of switching leagues.
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I understand your reasoning, but looking out 10-15 years is what is becoming impossible with the current economic, financial, demographic, and funding challenges the schools are facing. State funding policy and consolidations may have a bigger effect in the next 10-15 years than anything else on league changes.
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MrSteel
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Posted February 7th, 2012 03:10 PM IP
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scooter wrote:
Are you asking if the 94-95 and the 02-03 team are the same team? Both finished regular season 16-4. In 94-95 they had 8 OOC games and in 02-03 they had 6 OOC games so using that is not the same. Both finished 2nd in the NCC.
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Since I quoted YOU, I was asking YOU.
I KNOW they are NO WHERE close.
The 95 team lost games they should not have. They dropped 2 to Wynford and then hammered them in the tourney.
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MrSteel
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Posted February 7th, 2012 03:13 PM IP
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FbFan wrote:
I understand your reasoning, but looking out 10-15 years is what is becoming impossible with the current economic, financial, demographic, and funding challenges the schools are facing. State funding policy and consolidations may have a bigger effect in the next 10-15 years than anything else on league changes.
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3-4 or 10-15? the NCC exploded less than 1 yr. NOL has a new team and others are looking BEFORE they play a game. Stability wont come til the realignment fad passes.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 7th, 2012 03:20 PM IP
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Vogel wrote:
Go get 'em Ontario. We are so impressed with your wins over Lucas and Crestline (in the past you got a quick 4 wins off of them) So impressive.
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The above is proof why Vogel has made all of these HATE MONGER rants. Willard can no longer "go get em" their 4 "quick wins" are no longer in the NOL. Willard has become "quick wins" for the top teams in the NOL.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 7th, 2012 04:19 PM IP
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Vogel wrote:You should take on schools your size. You are a big D-3 / SMALLl D-2. Those are the types of teams you should be playing.Instead you guys rack up 8 to 10 wins every year against itty bitty schools that you are 2 to 3 times bigger than then beat your chests like you accomplished something. Not a single person outside of Ontario buys it. That's why your 17-3 team didn't even get a top 2 seed. - The rest of NW Ohio knows your 17-3 team = an 11 win type team in the NOL / OCC. - The rest of NW Ohio knows your 14-6 teams = an 8 win type team in the NOL / OCC - The rest of NW Ohio knows your 12-8 teams = a 6 win type team in the NOL/OCC Join a league with schools your size for once. JUST ONCE. Stop picking on Marion Catholic, Lucas, Mt Gilead, etc. to rack up wins that the rest of NW Ohio laughs at.
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LIAR - Ontario DOES play bigger schools, Ontario plays Upper, and Galion in their league. Ontario plays bigger NOL schools Shelby and Willard. Ontario plays bigger OCC schools Lex, Madison and Clear Fork. In the past they have played RiverValley, Ashland, Zanesville, Columumbus Gahanna Lincoln, and Cleveland Heights, ALL bigger schools. Wynford is currently a DIII scchool.
When DIII Ontario joined the NCC ALL League members were DIII schools except for Buckeye Central.
LIAR - No one beats their chests about beating smaller schools.
LIAR - Ontario is primarily a DIII school. Over the past quarter of a Century Ontario has been in DIII 74% of the time.
For THE ONE MORE TIME ABOUT THOSE SMALLER SCHOOLS. Riverdale, CC, BC, Crestline and Wynford WANTED to play Ontario, they WANTED Ontario to join THEIR NCC. Lucas WANTED to play Ontario. They WANTED to become a member of NCC.
And now Willard isn't even a 6 win team in the NOL.
LIAR, Ontario hasn't played Marion Catholic or Mr Gilead for over 20 years.
Vogel says, "Join a league with schools your size." Ontario has 201 boys in top 3 grades, please tell us where there is league looking for a new member with schools being between 175 and 225 or even 150 and 250. That would put Ontario right in the middle and be a league with schools their size. Waiting on your expertise.
According to Vogel Ontario should not join the NOL. That isn't a league with schools "your own size". Ontario would be the "itty bitty" school in the NOL It would be an embarrassment for the GREAT NOL schools to play an "Itty bitty" school. Ontario would be the only DIII school in the history of the OMNIPOTENT NOL. Vogel would not be in favor of Ontario joining the NCC if he had a vote. They have terrible teams, they're an "itty bitty" school, they would drag down the importance of the OMNIPOTENT NOL.
HOWEVER.....THIS YEAR..... A BELOW AVERAGE DIII, Ontario team beat DII Willard by 8 points, beat Willard's JVs by 14 points, beat Willard's Freshman team by double figures. Just a good thing for DII Willard that they didn't play DIII Ontario's 7th and 8th grade teams.
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scooter
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Posted February 7th, 2012 06:06 PM IP
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MrSteel wrote:
Since I quoted YOU, I was asking YOU.
I KNOW they are NO WHERE close.
The 95 team lost games they should not have. They dropped 2 to Wynford and then hammered them in the tourney.
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I quoted your buddy who said a 16win team is average. I provided two teams that won 16 in the regular season that were different. Point is average teams can long tournament runs and good teams can get beat early. Willy try's to bunch them together to where some feel each season, regular and tournament, should be assessed each way.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Vogel
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Posted February 7th, 2012 09:12 PM IP
There goes Willy again.
"NCC = schools our size. NOL = schools that are not our size"
Guy just ignores facts. Simply amazing how nescient this guy is about most everything.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 8th, 2012 01:36 AM IP
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Vogel wrote:
There goes Willy again.
"NCC = schools our size. NOL = schools that are not our size"
Guy just ignores facts. Simply amazing how nescient this guy is about most everything.
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LIAR - I never said NCC = schools our size.
LIAR - It was you who said Ontario should be in a league with schools their size. ANSWER THE QUESTION . What league has schools Ontario's size?
There goes Vogel again. Are you saying you want a school that you say is terrible in the NOL? Are you saying you want a school with terrible athletic teams in the NOL? Are you saying you want a school with terrible coaches in the NOL. There has NEVER been a Vogel hated DIII school in the NOL. Vogel would never be in favor of this nescient idea. It would diminish the importance of the OMNIPOTENT NOL in perpetuity.
What IS nescient is Vogel was impervious to the word nescient until I made him aware of nescient.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 8th, 2012 01:48 AM IP
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scooter wrote:
I quoted your buddy who said a 16win team is average. I provided two teams that won 16 in the regular season that were different. Point is average teams can long tournament runs and good teams can get beat early. Willy try's to bunch them together to where some feel each season, regular and tournament, should be assessed each way.
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LIAR! Do not tell people what my concept of an average team is unless you are accurate.
PAY ATTENTION. MY formula for differentiating an above average team, from an average team, from a below average team is determined at the end of their seasons. When ALL of their games have been played. The end of a season could come after one tournament game or after the State Championship Game. It NEVER comes after the regular season. Unless you purport to be Carnac The Magnificent and can divine how many tournament games every team will win.
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Vogel
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Posted February 8th, 2012 06:32 AM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
What IS nescient is Vogel was impervious to the word nescient until I made him aware of nescient.
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lol, I was using that word before you even found out there was a thing called the Internet. Should start calling you jake as now you are trying to re-write history.
No body buys any of your claims, you've been proven time and time again to be a mental midget.
Sad that you still have no clue what 'liar' means. It doesn't mean what you keep using it for, and that right there is why you are a joke in NC Ohio circles.
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Vogel
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Posted February 8th, 2012 06:35 AM IP
Fillmore
62-20 - NBA Team gets knocked out in the 1st round 4-3 and finish 65-24
50-32 - NBA Team wins 4 series (4-3) and finishes 66-44.
Fillmore would say the 62-20 NBA team was below average.
Dude is clueless.
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fanofthegame
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Posted February 8th, 2012 08:20 AM IP
I heard the OCC proposition was take on Shelby, Ontario, Galion and replace the three eastern schools. Shelby said no thanks. I don't understand why you don't let the three eastern schools leave, take on Ontario and Galion to get to seven, then merge with the NOL for 14.
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FbFan
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Posted February 8th, 2012 08:56 AM IP
^^^ Sounds like Galion may be going another direction with Upper.
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scooter
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Posted February 8th, 2012 12:57 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
A 16 win season is average.
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nor·mal (nôrml)
1. Something normal; the standard: scored close to the normal.
2. The usual or expected state, form, amount, or degree.
3. An average.
I've seen teams go 20-1 and be great teams. Also seen average teams get hot and go 19-7 and play for state titles. Which team was better is not figured with an equation or math formula.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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scooter
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Posted February 8th, 2012 01:35 PM IP
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fanofthegame wrote:
I heard the OCC proposition was take on Shelby, Ontario, Galion and replace the three eastern schools. Shelby said no thanks. I don't understand why you don't let the three eastern schools leave, take on Ontario and Galion to get to seven, then merge with the NOL for 14.
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The way it sounds not many in the OCC want to drive to Sandusky and Vermilion. Travel is the reason for the change.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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bbfan
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Posted February 8th, 2012 02:08 PM IP
Sounds like galion to the MOAC! This Galion fan hates that idea!!!! talking with Shelby people last night and they would love to have Galion back in the league!!!! I would jump at that offer!!!!!!!!!
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scooter
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Posted February 8th, 2012 02:20 PM IP
Shelby is close to a jump of their own.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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NothingButAir
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Posted February 8th, 2012 03:55 PM IP
[quote]Willard Fillmore wrote:
What IS nescient is Vogel was impervious to the word nescient until I made him aware of nescient.
You deserve a Brownie Button!!!
"I've missed over 9,000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times I've been trusted to take the game-winning shot . . . and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
Michael Jordan
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galion
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Posted February 8th, 2012 05:14 PM IP
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bbfan wrote:
Sounds like galion to the MOAC! This Galion fan hates that idea!!!! talking with Shelby people last night and they would love to have Galion back in the league!!!! I would jump at that offer!!!!!!!!!
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Not an option. We inquired and the NOL told us they weren't interested.
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ptangzoot
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Posted February 8th, 2012 05:15 PM IP
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scooter wrote:
Shelby is close to a jump of their own.
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OK...I'll bite...where are they jumping? They told the OCC no from what I have heard. What other option are they looking at?
New coach, want to be cautiously optimistic.
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downtown_for_th
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Posted February 8th, 2012 05:31 PM IP
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scooter wrote:
Shelby is close to a jump of their own.
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Wonder where?? I did hear a rumor they may join up with Tiro, Sulphur Springs, Little London, Bethlehem and Ganges(once these places build high schools) 
I know for a fact its not hooking up with the OCC's western contingent because Shelby told them last week they were not interested.
President of the Dead Horse Society.
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downtown_for_th
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Posted February 8th, 2012 05:32 PM IP
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galion wrote:
Not an option. We inquired and the NOL told us they weren't interested.
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Check back in with your administrators. Galion and Ontario received invites this week to come to the NOL.
President of the Dead Horse Society.
Commissioner of the Holmes County Rake Fighting Association.
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galion
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Posted February 8th, 2012 08:25 PM IP
Wow!!! Things change quickly. Is Vermillion not joining then? If both Ont and Gal joined wouldn't that be 9 teams?
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Mr. Green
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Posted February 8th, 2012 08:30 PM IP
This is an interesting development...hope its true and galion jumps on it.
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