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Willard Fillmore
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 Posted February 4th, 2012 03:42 AM IP   
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Vogel wrote:
^^^ Not really, we all know who is winning this debate.
- Of the 7 years in question, 6 of them Ontario was Conference Champs.
- Of the 5 years Fillmore claims Ontario had no shot because of Langhurst of Diebler, 4 they were ousted by teams without one. (Fillmore was 1 for 5 in that effort to mislead)
- Fillmore claims 80% of the time they were in D-2 they were below average. Facts say it was only 20%
- 2 teams get out of that Sectional every year. Fillmore tries to portray it as 1 (an example is his claim of Diebler or Langhurst in the way)
And now he's adding Micheli as a reason Ontario had no shot. 
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Toledo Macomber with Jimmy Jackson.
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Upper Sandusky with Jon Diebler
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Galion with Nate Reinking
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Lexington with Jamie Feick
According to Fillmore Ontario had no shot because Ontario didn't have a player the caliber of Micheli or whoever the 'star' Shelby had back when they were ousting Ontario. Amazing how Willard was able to beat these teams because in:
- 1988 Joel Guth was not > Jimmy Jackson
- 1991 Eric Wiers was not > Jamie Feick
- 1992 Damon Rothaar was not > Nate Reinking
- 2004 Jimmy Langhurst as a soph was not > Jake Diebler and Jon Diebler
- 2006 Jimmy Langhurst was not > Jon Diebler
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A LIAR's....Meaningless blatherings.
FOOL you CANNOT have it both ways. You tell us how bad Ontario is, how bad the NCC is, Ontario only has winning records because the play "itting bitty" schools. HATE HATE HATE Ontario. Then out of the other side of you ignorant ugly mouth you say Ontario should have beaten BIG BAD schools from the GREAT OMNIPOTENT NOL in the DII Sectional. Surely an NOL school with one more loss than terrible Ontario from the lowly NCC should pound Ontario into the ground.
You're the big bad stat man, you're the lead attack dog. You should be able to see the unconscionable dichotomy you're portraying.
You're so stupid you can't comprehend the adding of Micheli to the equation of players and great teams in those Sectionals those years??? ALLL Upper fans are are more intelligent than you are. What was the most important happening those 5 years. Upper wins a State Championship! Does Upper win it without Micheli or is your memory so poor you forget he was on that team?? Either way you FAIL FAIL FAIL
LIAR - Ontario had average or below average teams 4 of the 5 years in the DII Sectional.
Ontario beat Lex with Jamie Feich.
The Hate Monger Hates........A below average Ontario team beat Willard's Varsity by 8, beat the Willard JV's by 14, Ontario Freshmen beat Willard's Freshmen by double figures. Lucky for Willard they don't play Ontario's 7th or 8th grade teams.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Vogel
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Posted February 4th, 2012 06:41 AM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
Ontario had average or below average teams 4 of the 5 years in the DII Sectional.
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Ontario did not have below average teams. You are surreal. Presented with facts and you ignore and keep blathering stuff that was already proven incorrect. Simply amazing.
And the day you learn the definition of 'liar' will be a great day for human civilization. Your continued misuse of that word is astounding.
You have serious issues.
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grub
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Posted February 4th, 2012 07:18 AM IP
It doesn't take a "genius" to figure out why would a school want to join a league to become the smallest school in said league? Makes no sense. It will be interesting to see how the smallest school in the NOL will fare in the coming years in relationship to where it finishes in the standings in the so called "money sports". My guess is a consistant finish in the bottom half.
Yea, that sounds like an attractive selling point to a school with the smallest enrollment!
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scooter
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Posted February 4th, 2012 08:05 AM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
Ahhh an edit when no link could be given.
AND.....you failed to give us the same information about the other 3 years which was asked for. If you know about two, you know about the other three.
In 02-03 Ontario didn't get a 1 or 2 seed because they lost to Galion, Bucyrus, Madison and Buckeye Central and Willard was undefeated in the NOL and Upper had 4 losses at the time of the seeding meeting. Ontario lost by 1 to Upper in the Finals. Close but they got the seeding right.
In 06-07 Ontario didn't get a 1 or 2 seed because they lost to Lex, Madison and Shelby during the regular season. Upper of course got the #1 seed and Shelby got the #2 seed with 3 loses at the time of the seeding meeting, 2 of which were to Upper. Ontario lost to Lex by 1 and then Lex beat Shelby by 10 in the Finals. A case of a team getting hot at the end of the season. If I remember correctly Avery was a Freshman that year and came up huge in the tournament. AND Ontario lost to Lex and Shelby in the regular season.
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I was not forgetting the other 3 seasons only providing two seasons with wins over the teams you mentions during their D2 period. The edit was for spelling and as for me not responding until now, I went to bed. Aside from wins and losses the reasons they did not get seeded was their lack of respect from other coaches for their soft schedule during voting.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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OSU Josh
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Posted February 4th, 2012 09:13 AM IP
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I dont remember the invite?
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I DARE YOU to provide proof Ontario got an invitation from the NOL in 2000.
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Can either of you point out where the word invite or invitation appears in the following sentence:
"Back when Bucyrus left and the NOL had a slot open Ontario didn't even apply"
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MrSteel
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Posted February 4th, 2012 12:14 PM IP
Bucyrus did not join the NCC until 02-03.
The fact is there was NOT an invite or inquisition.
Why should there have been? The NCC just picked up a larger school.
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scooter
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Posted February 4th, 2012 12:53 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
Ontario beat Lex with Jamie Feich.
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Huh??    
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 4th, 2012 01:52 PM IP
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Ontario did not have below average teams. You are surreal. Presented with facts and you ignore and keep blathering stuff that was already proven incorrect. Simply amazing.
And the day you learn the definition of 'liar' will be a great day for human civilization. Your continued misuse of that word is astounding.
You have serious issues.
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Not surreal....honest.
The facts.
Ontario's record over the past 26 years is 416 and 167. 418/26 = 16.07. An Ontario team with 15 or fewer wins is a below average team. An Ontario team with 16 wins is average. An Ontario team with 17 or more wins is above average. The more wins, the higher above average a team becomes.
All teams should be given every chance to become an above average team. Thus their final record is not determined until the season is over.
02-03 0ntario 16-5 an average team.
03-04 Ontario 16-6 an average team.
04-05 Ontario 10-11 a below average team.
05-06 Ontario 16-6 an average team.
06-07 Ontario 17-4 an above average team.
One above average team. Three average teams, One below average. AND according to your rants concerning how bad Ontario is, how bad the NCC is and how Ontario's records are inflated by playing "itty bitty" schools. Those teams CAN NOT be good teams. Should not beat an NOL team or Lexington in those Sectionals.
You can not have it both ways.
BTW, an NOL team with the same record as an NCC team is in most cases is a better team. Even if an NOL team has one more loss than an NCC team, in most cases they're the better team.
Per Webster's
Liar - A person who creates a false or misleading impression.
Thanks Vogel for allowing me to once again remind you..... This year a below average Ontario varsity beat Willard's varsity by 8 points. Ontario's JVs beat Willards JV's by 14 points. Its a good thing for Willard that they don't play Ontario's 7th or 8th grade teams.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 4th, 2012 02:32 PM IP
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I was not forgetting the other 3 seasons only providing two seasons with wins over the teams you mentions during their D2 period. The edit was for spelling and as for me not responding until now, I went to bed. Aside from wins and losses the reasons they did not get seeded was their lack of respect from other coaches for their soft schedule during voting.
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Agreed, as far as seeding, the only thing that would have over come playing in the NCC is if they had beaten the other schools in the Sectional.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 4th, 2012 02:36 PM IP
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Huh??
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My fault again. I must remember we have difficulty understanding each others written word. Allow me to try again.
Ontario beat Lexington when Jamie played for Lexington. An allegory for a Vogel statement.
Another Jamie Feick nugget. He went to Ontario until the 7th grade.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 4th, 2012 03:41 PM IP
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I think you are wrong but I did not check to confirm.
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Jon started as a Freshman in 03-04.
Jake and John were on the same team when Upper won the State title. That year Jake was a Senior and Jon was a Sophomore.
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scooter
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Posted February 4th, 2012 03:53 PM IP
Yes please try again.
What year did Ontario beat a Feick team?
Jon started as a freshman for Fostoria.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 4th, 2012 03:54 PM IP
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I was not forgetting the other 3 seasons only providing two seasons with wins over the teams you mentions during their D2 period. The edit was for spelling and as for me not responding until now, I went to bed. Aside from wins and losses the reasons they did not get seeded was their lack of respect from other coaches for their soft schedule during voting.
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OH NO....tisk tisk....an untruth.... you deleted the following "and Ontario got a seed that year"
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scooter
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Posted February 4th, 2012 04:18 PM IP
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Willy in 02-03 Ontario had wins over Shelby, Lexington and Clear Fork but did not play Willard and did not get a seed. In 06-07 they had wins over Willard, Galin and Clear Fork did to ot get a seed.
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That is what it said and I corrected the spelling.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Vogel
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Posted February 4th, 2012 08:46 PM IP
One last time for Fillmore - Balogh's REGULAR season average 14.5 wins - 5.5 losses.
That's what matters when comparing D-2 lack of success with D-III success and whether or not those teams were above or below average.
One last time, REGULAR season is what matters when comparing IF the teams that lost were above or below average compared to teams that went deeper at a different level.
What you keep trying to do is completely ASININE and everyone see's right through it. We are not dumb.
Below is all made up statistics but it's what you are trying to do
Your insane uses of statistics for comparison
Every time Ohio State loses in the NCAA tournament they were below average
210 wins INCLUDING TOURNAMENT - 20 years = 21 wins per year
(proper way would to be to use REGULAR season wins would would be 19.3 wins per year)
NCAA Tournament years
20-21 - 1st round exit in NCAA tournament
20-21 - 1st round exit in NCAA tournament
20-21 - 1st round exit in NCAA tournament
non-NCAA tournament years
24-22 - NIT Finals
24-22 - NIT Finals
19-21 - no tournament
19-21 - no tournament
19-21 - no tournament
24-22 - NIT Finals
24-22 - NIT Finals
In the above - REGULAR SEASON
20-20 - made NCAA tournament --- you call it below average
20-20 - made NCAA tournament --- you call it below average
20-20 - made NCAA tournament --- you call it below average
19-21
19-21
19-21
19-21
19-21
19-21
19-21
^^^ According to you winning against weaker competition makes you better because you racked up wins, and taking on better competition and losing makes you worse. INSANE.
Balogh averages 14.5 REGULAR season wins
'02-03 - 16-4 - above average
'03-04 - 15-5 - above average
'04-05 - 10-10
'05-06 - 15-5 - above average
'06-07 - 17-3 - above average
^^^ In D-III 4 of those teams might have rolled into Regionals upping the way you calculate data giving them 20 win seasons. In D-2 they all got ousted in the Sectional. Learn how to compare or go to the psych ward.
Please get a brain. Please.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 5th, 2012 12:07 AM IP
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One last time for Fillmore - Balogh's REGULAR season average 14.5 wins - 5.5 losses.
That's what matters when comparing D-2 lack of success with D-III success and whether or not those teams were above or below average.
One last time, REGULAR season is what matters when comparing IF the teams that lost were above or below average compared to teams that went deeper at a different level.
What you keep trying to do is completely ASININE and everyone see's right through it. We are not dumb.
Below is all made up statistics but it's what you are trying to do
Your insane uses of statistics for comparison
Every time Ohio State loses in the NCAA tournament they were below average
210 wins INCLUDING TOURNAMENT - 20 years = 21 wins per year
(proper way would to be to use REGULAR season wins would would be 19.3 wins per year)
NCAA Tournament years
20-21 - 1st round exit in NCAA tournament
20-21 - 1st round exit in NCAA tournament
20-21 - 1st round exit in NCAA tournament
non-NCAA tournament years
24-22 - NIT Finals
24-22 - NIT Finals
19-21 - no tournament
19-21 - no tournament
19-21 - no tournament
24-22 - NIT Finals
24-22 - NIT Finals
In the above - REGULAR SEASON
20-20 - made NCAA tournament --- you call it below average
20-20 - made NCAA tournament --- you call it below average
20-20 - made NCAA tournament --- you call it below average
19-21
19-21
19-21
19-21
19-21
19-21
19-21
^^^ According to you winning against weaker competition makes you better because you racked up wins, and taking on better competition and losing makes you worse. INSANE.
Balogh averages 14.5 REGULAR season wins
'02-03 - 16-4 - above average
'03-04 - 15-5 - above average
'04-05 - 10-10
'05-06 - 15-5 - above average
'06-07 - 17-3 - above average
^^^ In D-III 4 of those teams might have rolled into Regionals upping the way you calculate data giving them 20 win seasons. In D-2 they all got ousted in the Sectional. Learn how to compare or go to the psych ward.
Please get a brain. Please.
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Mumbo jumbo about Ohio State is meaningless puke coming from your brain.
You don't count all of the Haas tournament wins?? SINCE WHEN?????
YOU go get an education from Haas. I DARE YOU to tell him his tournament wins don't count. He'd laugh in your face. If Ontario's tournament games don't count then you go straight to your little stat book and IMMEDIATELY erase all of the Hass tournament games. If Ontario's don't count why should Willard's?
YOU CAN NOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS regardless of how your brain works.
You tell us how bad Ontario is, how bad the NCC is, how Ontario pads its record by playing itty bitty schools. Then out of the other side of your brain comes..... Ontario's wins or losses in the tournament against better or worse teams don't count. Stupidity!
That would only make sense to a loser hater like you.
You are worse than "dumb", your are worse then "asinine". Remember you are the fool who said Ontario should have left the NCC and joined the NOL when Bucyrus left the NOL to join the NCC. By far the most doltish idea in NOSF history.
JUST A REMINDER......This year a BELOW AVERAGE Ontario Varsity beat Willard's varsity by 8. Ontario's JVs beat Willard's JVs by 14. Ontario's Freshman beat Willard's Freshman by double figures. Willard is lucky they don't play Ontario's 7th and 8th grade teams.
Do those those wins for Ontario and losses for Willard count or not according to your wacho formula?
Until December of next year, when you hate on Ontario you and all who read your silliness WILL be reminded.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 5th, 2012 12:52 AM IP
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Yes please try again.
What year did Ontario beat a Feick team?
Jon started as a freshman for Fostoria.
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I checked, you're right about the Dieblers. From memory I thought Upper won the State Title the 2nd year year they were at Upper.
The 89-90 season was the one Ontario beat a "Feick team". I'm positive about that one. I witnessed it in a packed Lex gym. You weren't there??
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 5th, 2012 12:57 AM IP
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That is what it said and I corrected the spelling.
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Opps...now another edit. The mention of Ontario and a seed is back in.
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Vogel
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Posted February 5th, 2012 07:20 AM IP
Question - Fillmore you can not be that dumb, can you?
Answer - Yes, you can be that dumb.
One final time for your brain, let us see if your intellect is above a 3 year old. If you can not grasp this then you might as well start back at Kindergarten and try life over again because you failed on the first go round.
Example = Professional Baseball
- Let's assume Pro Baseball is like European Soccer where one moves up or down a division based on results from the previous year. Now for an Ontario comparison we will assume those Pro Baseball teams play the exact same regular season games but only bump up in competition for POSTSEASON play.
Toledo Mudhens
2000 - (100-62) - Regular season ----- Win the AAA Word Series and finish (112-62)
2001 - (100-62) - Regular season ----- Win the AAA Word Series and finish (112-62)
2002 - (100-62) - Regular season ----- Win the AAA Word Series and finish (112-62)
2003 - (100-62) - Regular season ----- Win the AAA Word Series and finish (112-62)
2004 - (100-62) - Regular season ----- Win the AAA Word Series and finish (112-62)
As a result the Mudhens must move up to MLB for POSTSEASON ONLY
2005 - (106-56) - Regular Season ---- Get Swept in 1st round of MLB Playoffs and finish (106-60)
2006 - (106-56) - Regular Season ---- Get Swept in 1st round of MLB Playoffs and finish (106-60)
2007 - (106-56) - Regular Season ---- Get Swept in 1st round of MLB Playoffs and finish (106-60)
Average 102.3 wins in the regular season ---- 109.8 wins including the playoffs
In all 8 years the Mudhens would be playing the SAME teams in the regular season.
From 2000-04 they played AAA teams in the Postseason
From 2005-07 they played MLB teams in the Postseason
Everyone with a functioning brain knows the 2005-07 teams were actually better, they just played stiffer competition when it came to the postseason. If they were still down in AAA they would have racked up the postseason wins again.
Now on to Ontario under Joe Balogh
In the regular season Joe Balogh averages 14.5 wins per year - same competition
That means
2003 at 16-4 was above average
2004 at 15-5 was above average
2005 at 10-10 was below average
2006 at 15-5 was above average
2007 at 17-3 was above average
80% of those years were better than normal Joe Balogh Ontario teams.
The fact you had to play in D-II (MLB) for postseason play is why you got ousted in the Sectional (Swept)
The fact that in the other years you had to play in D-III (AAA) for postseason play is why you won more tournament games (Win the World Series)
If you still can not grasp this simple concept then there is no hope for you.
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KP11
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Posted February 5th, 2012 07:56 AM IP
I thought this was a football thread. I guess I'd better go check out the NCC Basketball forum for my football news...
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Vogel
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Posted February 5th, 2012 08:15 AM IP
^^^ This topic is about a NEW LEAGUE.
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FbFan
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Posted February 5th, 2012 08:24 AM IP
Anyone have any reports from the "exploratory" meeting?
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 5th, 2012 09:21 PM IP
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Question - Fillmore you can not be that dumb, can you?
Answer - Yes, you can be that dumb.One final time for your brain, let us see if your intellect is above a 3 year old. If you can not grasp this then you might as well start back at Kindergarten and try life over again because you failed on the first go round.Example = Professional Baseball- Let's assume Pro Baseball is like European Soccer where one moves up or down a division based on results from the previous year. Now for an Ontario comparison we will assume those Pro Baseball teams play the exact same regular season games but only bump up in competition for POSTSEASON play.Toledo Mudhens 2000 - (100-62) - Regular season ----- Win the AAA Word Series and finish (112-62)2001 - (100-62) - Regular season ----- Win the AAA Word Series and finish (112-62)2002 - (100-62) - Regular season ----- Win the AAA Word Series and finish (112-62)2003 - (100-62) - Regular season ----- Win the AAA Word Series and finish (112-62) 2004 - (100-62) - Regular season ----- Win the AAA Word Series and finish (112-62)As a result the Mudhens must move up to MLB for POSTSEASON ONLY2005 - (106-56) - Regular Season ---- Get Swept in 1st round of MLB Playoffs and finish (106-60)2006 - (106-56) - Regular Season ---- Get Swept in 1st round of MLB Playoffs and finish (106-60) 2007 - (106-56) - Regular Season ---- Get Swept in 1st round of MLB Playoffs and finish (106-60)Average 102.3 wins in the regular season ---- 109.8 wins including the playoffsIn all 8 years the Mudhens would be playing the SAME teams in the regular season.From 2000-04 they played AAA teams in the PostseasonFrom 2005-07 they played MLB teams in the Postseason Everyone with a functioning brain knows the 2005-07 teams were actually better, they just played stiffer competition when it came to the postseason. If they were still down in AAA they would have racked up the postseason wins again.Now on to Ontario under Joe BaloghIn the regular season Joe Balogh averages 14.5 wins per year - same competition That means 2003 at 16-4 was above average2004 at 15-5 was above average2005 at 10-10 was below average2006 at 15-5 was above average2007 at 17-3 was above average 80% of those years were better than normal Joe Balogh Ontario teams.The fact you had to play in D-II (MLB) for postseason play is why you got ousted in the Sectional (Swept)The fact that in the other years you had to play in D-III (AAA) for postseason play is why you won more tournament games (Win the World Series) If you still can not grasp this simple concept then there is no hope for you.
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This time the meaningless mumbo jumbo is about minor league baseball. Nothing dumber then comparing minor league baseball to high school basketball
I CAN NOT be dumber than you.......remember you're the one who thought Ontario should leave the NCC and join the NOL after Ontario convinced Bucyrus to leave the NOL for the NCC, creating an opening in the NOL. BY FAR the dumbest idea in NOSF history.
High school football. At what point is a team's record for the year determined? Some teams make the playoffs, most don't. The team's season record is determined after they play their final game.
High school baseball the same.
ALL of a team's games are counted in their final record.
Have you talked to Haas yet? Have you told him his tournament games don't count?
PAY ATTENTION doofus. You CANNOT have it both ways. You put down Ontario for having an inflated record for winning games against "itsy bitsy" schools. If playing in the NCC or OCC, Ontario's record wouldn't be as good. HOWEVER, the average year would still be determined by the same equation, total wins divided by the total years.
I KNOW that YOU KNOW, it was very unlikely that Ontario would win a DII Sectional Title in those 5 years. Ontario didn't have a good enough team any of those years. Ontario wasn't given a 1 or 2 seed any of those years. Willard, Upper and Shelby had better teams all of those years. They all had better or equal records at the time of the seeding meetings. Since they all played a more difficult schedule it follows they all should be better than Ontario from the lousy NCC and all of their "itsy bitsy" schools.
Sorry, it matters not how much you whine, facts cannot be changed. ONE MORE TIME for the whiner. In the past 26 years Ontario won 416 games for an average 16.07. Which means if a team won 16 games they were an average team. If they won 15 or fewer they were a below average team. If they won 17+ they were an above average team.
"Normal"? 80% better than "normal"??WTF is a "normal year"??? We all know what abnormal is.....YOU.
80%???????????????????????????
In the past 26 years Ontario has had Five average seasons(16wins). Eleven below average seasons(15 or fewer wins). Ten above average seasons(17+wins). Nothing could be more logical or statistically standard.
80%??????????????????????????
By using the proper equation, Ontario had 1 above average team, 3 average teams and 1 below average team those 5 years. A part of the formula why Ontario shouldn't, couldn't, didn't win a Sectional Title those years. They were not one of the 2 best teams and weren't up to pulling off an up set.
I am SO happy you continue what you stupidly started. Talking mumbo jumbo about basketball on a football thread in a football forum. That allows me to once again remind you............................This year a BELOW AVERAGE Ontario varsity beat Willard's varsity by 8 points. The Ontario JVs beat the Willard JVs by 14 points. The Ontario Freshman team beat the Willard Freshman team by double figures. Willard is lucky they didn't play the Ontario 7th or 8th grade teams.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 5th, 2012 09:31 PM IP
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^^^ This topic is about a NEW LEAGUE.
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And what in the hell have your rants about 5 basketball seasons had to do with a "NEW LEAGUE"?????
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scooter
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Posted February 5th, 2012 09:49 PM IP
The Ontario 1994/95 team and the 2002/03 team both finished with regular season records of 16-4. The difference is in D3 the 94/95 team went 5-1 in tournament play while the 02/03 team in D2 went 0-1.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Vogel
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Posted February 5th, 2012 09:59 PM IP
Fillmore is hopeless.
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MrSteel
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Posted February 5th, 2012 10:00 PM IP
did you really just compare teams 8 yrs apart?
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Vogel
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Posted February 5th, 2012 10:02 PM IP
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MrSteel wrote:
did you really just compare teams 8 yrs apart?
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You really think D-2 is as easy as D-3? Please tell me you are not going to try to say that.
Maybe we should let Mansfield Sr down into D-3. When they go 8-0 in the tournament every year then bump up to D-1 and go 2-1 we can hear YOU and your pal Fillmore say those Mansfield Sr teams getting beat in D-1 weren't as good as the Mansfield Sr teams in D-3.
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MrSteel
All-State
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Posted February 5th, 2012 10:03 PM IP
vogel comparing D2 to major leagues?
get over yourself.
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Vogel
Sir Lancelot du Lac
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Posted February 5th, 2012 10:05 PM IP
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MrSteel wrote:
vogel comparing D2 to major leagues?
get over yourself.
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The fact you think D-2 = D-3 says it all.
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