I didn't say Clear Fork was in DII all of those 5 years. I just knew they played in it and knew Ontario has been on their schedule for a LONG time.
My statement was not on point about Ontario's record those 5 years. Over the past 26 years Ontario has won 418 games. 418/26 = 16.07. One must wait until tournament play is over before grading a team's success, you should give a team every opportunity to become an above average team. Thus those 5 years Ontario had one above average team, 3 average teams and one below average team, after their tournament.
I want to be accurate, so correct me if I'm wrong. As close as I can ascertain, this is who was playing in that Sectional those 5 years. I'm not surprised Vogel hasn't puffed his chest about this, like he usually does. It would hurt his Hate Mongering position.
Nick Dials Willard - 02-03
Jimmy Langhurst Willard - 02-03, 03-04, 04-05
Greg Michelli Upper - 02-03, 03-04, 04-05
Jake Diebler Upper - 03-04, 04-05
Jon Diebler Upper - 03-04, 04-05, 05-06, 06-07
Alex Falk Upper - 05-06, 06-07
All-Ohio players, except Michelli who we know what an outstanding athlete he was by his exploits in football.
Ontario had no one CLOSE to any of those players in that 5 year period.
02-03, Willard - District Champion
03-04, Willard - District Champion
03-04, Upper - District Runner-Up
04-05, Upper - State Champs
05-06, Wllard - Regional Runner-Up
05-06, Upper - District Runner-Up
06-07, Upper - State Runner-Up
06-07, Lex - District Runner-Up
Upsets could always happen, some games have no chance, in others there's a perfect storm. A star player could have a terrible game, another player could have his best game ever. As a matter of fact hasn't Willard been upset more than once at the Sectional level?
Remember, Ontario didn't have a 1 or 2 seed any of those 5 years. Which of those years should Ontario have won a Sectional Title?
As Vogel's "itty bitty" theorem works Ontario was the "itty bitty" school those 5 years.
This year Ontario should have a below average team, yet they beat Willard's varsity by 8, Ontario's JVs beat Willard by 14, Ontario's Freshmen beat Willard by double figures. It's a good thing for Willard that they don't play Ontario's 7th and 8th graders.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)13
You know as well as anyone that it's your obnoxious posting style that leads to these posts about you having your knickers in a knot, being in a tizzy, worked up etc.
If you don't like people calling you those things then maybe you should change your posting style. Though if you wish to continue being perceived as constantly agitated wacko, keep up what you're doing.
Is my above post "wacho"? What "style" was it? Was I responding to someone who addressed me? Does it meet your approval? Was anything in a bunch? How would I be perceived? I look for your guidance.
I'm no more obnoxious than those first being obnoxious. I respond in kind when first spoken to. Research these threads and be apprised. How can one have knickers in a knot, be in a tizzy or worked up when all that's happening is responding as being spoken to? Why do you say I don't like it? I love a good debate, a repartee. Surely I'm allowed to respond to posts when people first address me. The First Amendment is still in affect on NOSF is it not?
Take an inventory on this thread and count Vogel's "wacho" posts and my "wacho" posts and see who wins. Vogel is the NOSF All-Star, the vocal attack dog champ. I just hope to be half the "wacho" he is. This is a football forum and somehow Vogel turns this football thread into a basketball scrum. Why would he do that?? You know as well as I do.
We await your report.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)13
scooter All-State Posts: 1908 Registered: Aug 2005
I didn't say Clear Fork was in DII all of those 5 years. I just knew they played in it and knew Ontario has been on their schedule for a LONG time.
You said they were in the sectional and played them and didn't win enough of those games to get a seed. Playing Clear Fork is not going to get you seed and they were not in the sectional most of the 5 years. bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
Willard Fillmore The Bona Fide All American
Posts: 10406 Registered: Dec 2006
Posted February 2nd, 2012 07:07 PM IPI didn't make myself clear. I meant that all of those teams were in the sectional and that Ontario had played them all for years in the regular season.13
scooter All-State Posts: 1908 Registered: Aug 2005
Quote: Willard Fillmore wrote:
I didn't make myself clear. I meant that all of those teams were in the sectional and that Ontario had played them all for years in the regular season.
And I was clear when I said Clear Fork was not in the sectional for three of the five years.bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
scooter All-State Posts: 1908 Registered: Aug 2005
Quote: Willard Fillmore wrote:
I want to be accurate, so correct me if I'm wrong. As close as I can ascertain, this is who was playing in that Sectional those 5 years. I'm not surprised Vogel hasn't puffed his chest about this, like he usually does. It would hurt his Hate Mongering position.
Nick Dials Willard - 02-03
Jimmy Langhurst Willard - 02-03, 03-04, 04-05
Greg Michelli Upper - 02-03, 03-04, 04-05
Jake Diebler Upper - 03-04, 04-05
Jon Diebler Upper - 03-04, 04-05, 05-06, 06-07
Alex Falk Upper - 05-06, 06-07
I think you are wrong but I did not check to confirm.bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
OSU Josh Knight of the Round Table Posts: 18202 Registered: Feb 2007
Quote: Willard Fillmore wrote:
I'm no more obnoxious than those first being obnoxious. I respond in kind when first spoken to.
Well that's certainly a matter of opinion. There are many times when I'd say you go beyond whatever the first post was to you.
Some examples..
Knite Flyer never shouted at you in all caps for 4 lines yet that's how you ended one of your responses to him
Your responses to scooter that started the long debate you've been having with him on the NCC 7th and 8th grade thread were a lot more obnoxious than his post you were reponding too IMO
Or how about this from Pronkville's Future of the NCC...cont. thread:
Quote: tigerdude wrote (in response to Buckeye2B)
Why is 9 members posing a difficulty ? 10 games are played, 8 could be played inside their conference by each team.
I don't follow you.
you responded with:
Quote: Willard Fillmore wrote:
Better for you NOT to post dufoos. 9 schools in football is HORRENDOUS. One school will have a bye every week of the regular season, try scheduling a non-league game in weeks 4,5,6,7,8,9 AND 10.
BTW As far as the OHSAA is concerned, it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING how many students are enrolled in Galion THIS year. The Division numbers after the next 2 years will be completely different from now, when the OHSAA recalculates. There could be many other DIV schools that lose more students than Galion. It MATTERS NOT what one school's enrollment numbers are, ALL other schools are ALSO counted and considered.
For your argument to have an ounce of intelligence you must supply not only Galion's current student numbers, you must ALSO supply ALL current student populations in ALL current DIV schools AND all of the Smaller DIII and larger DV schools.
In summation it is painfully obvious you are CLUELESS and have proven your lack of knowledge.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
No where in that thread up to that point had he directly addressed you. He had called me a few names up to that point, but he never said anything to you. And btw the question of his that you addressed had already been answered for him.
Knickers in a knot?? You can see my(sic)? You can hear me? I don't thinks(sic) so, unless you purport also to be Carnac the Magnificent.
2 can play the grammar police game....and since you lead the league in edits, it's probably best that you keep your horse in the barn where that is concerned.
What is "past decade plus"? If "plus" is 7 years then you have proven your lack of knowledge again. There were 5 District Titles in a 7 year period.
Maybe you can enlighten us since LIAR Vogel refuses to answer these pertinent questions concerning those five years.
No spin, just FACTS. To prove otherwise all you have to do is answer the easy questions. Vogel doesn't have the balls do you? We await your answers. If none are forthcoming you're as worthless as Vogel.
I got your "worthless," BUB. You are a disrespectful and self righteous piece of chit, and OSU Josh (and many others) have you pegged, straight on. If the Adminstrators of this site had pair of balls in the bunch, they'd permanately flush you out of here, like the fecal matter that you are.
WHO WERE THE TOP TWO SEEDS EACH OF THOSE YEARS?
DID ONTARIO GET A #1 OR #2 SEED IN ANY OF THOSE YEARS?
WAS ONTARIO FAVORED TO WIN A SECTIONAL TITLE IN ANY OF THOSE 5 YEARS?
IF ONTARIO HAD WON A SECTIONAL TITLE ANY OF THOSE 5 YEARS WOULD IT HAVE BEEN AN UPSET?
Scooter gave you your "answers," in a nutshell, but since you are/were only asking rhetorically (because you know the answers), I won't bother looking up the exact data. Even by "answering" these, it doesn't change the FACTS, as you like to call them. You'll continue to spin things away from Ontario's total lack of success in AA/D2 with a myriad of your "facts" when the numbers clearly show otherwise.
Here's a newsflash, a team can have a total lack of success (Ontario) in a Division and still never have been FAVORED to win in said Division (Bucyrus). Hell, even when Bucyrus had their best team in nearly a half century, they got bounced by an Upper team that had the same record, sans any Dieblers. Some folks just can not run with the "big boys" come tourney time. (See Ontario/NCC/SBC teams @ Ashland AA/D2)
ScarletFever Africentric's Booster Club Prez Posts: 26648 Registered: Apr 2005
Posted February 3rd, 2012 06:51 AM IP^^^ Not really, we all know who is winning this debate.
- Of the 7 years in question, 6 of them Ontario was Conference Champs.
- Of the 5 years Fillmore claims Ontario had no shot because of Langhurst of Diebler, 4 they were ousted by teams without one. (Fillmore was 1 for 5 in that effort to mislead)
- Fillmore claims 80% of the time they were in D-2 they were below average. Facts say it was only 20%
- 2 teams get out of that Sectional every year. Fillmore tries to portray it as 1 (an example is his claim of Diebler or Langhurst in the way)
And now he's adding Micheli as a reason Ontario had no shot.
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Toledo Macomber with Jimmy Jackson.
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Upper Sandusky with Jon Diebler
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Galion with Nate Reinking
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Lexington with Jamie Feick
According to Fillmore Ontario had no shot because Ontario didn't have a player the caliber of Micheli or whoever the 'star' Shelby had back when they were ousting Ontario. Amazing how Willard was able to beat these teams because in:
- 1988 Joel Guth was not > Jimmy Jackson
- 1991 Eric Wiers was not > Jamie Feick
- 1992 Damon Rothaar was not > Nate Reinking
- 2004 Jimmy Langhurst as a soph was not > Jake Diebler and Jon Diebler
- 2006 Jimmy Langhurst was not > Jon Diebler
(Edited by Vogel)
MrSteel All-State
Posts: 1244 Registered: Dec 2006
Posted February 3rd, 2012 11:22 AM IPvogel-"And when the NOL opened up a spot - Crickets
And when the OCC formed - Crickets"
WHEN was this???
Why would they leave a functioning league to be the SMALLEST ?
6 schools are 1/2 hour or less away before.
7 schools are now.
What, you think they should be begging to go to Vermillion? LoL
Quote: Vogel wrote:
^^^ Not really, we all know who is winning this debate.
- Of the 7 years in question, 6 of them Ontario was Conference Champs.
- Of the 5 years Fillmore claims Ontario had no shot because of Langhurst of Diebler, 4 they were ousted by teams without one. (Fillmore was 1 for 5 in that effort to mislead)
- Fillmore claims 80% of the time they were in D-2 they were below average. Facts say it was only 20%
- 2 teams get out of that Sectional every year. Fillmore tries to portray it as 1 (an example is his claim of Diebler or Langhurst in the way)
And now he's adding Micheli as a reason Ontario had no shot.
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Toledo Macomber with Jimmy Jackson.
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Upper Sandusky with Jon Diebler
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Galion with Nate Reinking
It's a wonder how Willard ever beat Lexington with Jamie Feick
According to Fillmore Ontario had no shot because Ontario didn't have a player the caliber of Micheli or whoever the 'star' Shelby had back when they were ousting Ontario. Amazing how Willard was able to beat these teams because in:
- 1988 Joel Guth was not > Jimmy Jackson
- 1991 Eric Wiers was not > Jamie Feick
- 1992 Damon Rothaar was not > Nate Reinking
- 2004 Jimmy Langhurst as a soph was not > Jake Diebler and Jon Diebler
- 2006 Jimmy Langhurst was not > Jon Diebler
(Edited by Vogel)
OOC record (the schedule has been very consistent through the years) says they do not.
86-41 prior
23-31 since
Vogel Sir Lancelot du Lac
Posts: 3958 Registered: Apr 2009
Posted February 3rd, 2012 12:16 PM IPSteel, you are hilarious.
Willard, Shelby, Bellevue, TC, Galion, Upper = YOUR SIZE
Ontario was a bunch of crickets back in 2000. WHY? Because you are sackless and wanted to continue to pick on itty bitty Lucas, Crestline, Buckeye Central, etc.
Your school had a chance to join a league with SAME SIZE schools. Your school passed to take on schools 2 to 3 times smaller. Says a lot. Then a few short years later your EPIC D-2 Failures at the Mansfield Sectional confirmed why your school was sackless back in 2000.
It's why you are currently homeless. The itty bitty schools had enough and kicked you to the curb. But congrats on all those wins vs Lucas and pals. It impressed us all. That's why your 17-3 team wasn't even a Top 2 seed. The local area knows what Ontario is, you Ontario people think way too much of yourselves.
Now you guys toot your horn about beating below .500 Willard teams. Like that impresses anyone.
Thanks for playing.
MrSteel All-State
Posts: 1244 Registered: Dec 2006
Posted February 3rd, 2012 01:54 PM IPvogel your the hilarious one.
Ontario-201
You conveniently left out
Norwalk- 397
Vermillion-296
TC-344
Bellvue-284
They already play
Shelby-267
Willard-223
Upper-216
Galion-215
So who is running?
Willard wanted out and STILL WANTS OUT. Why would Ontario want in???
You dog Ontario for staying with smaller schools, YET in the same breath are wanting SMALLER schools in the NOL???
Which is it???
scooter All-State Posts: 1908 Registered: Aug 2005
Posted February 3rd, 2012 02:09 PM IPSteel, What is the enrollment for Lucas, Crestline, Buckeye Central, Colonel Crawford and Riverdale?bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
MrSteel All-State
Posts: 1244 Registered: Dec 2006
Posted February 3rd, 2012 04:54 PM IP^^^ Small. probably same difference between norwalk and willard.
As pointed out before, VERY difficult to have a league with same size schools in a close geographic area. Lucas begged to get into the ncc. They were let in to appease the smaller school. Larger Bucyrus was added later.
GT96-15 All-District
Posts: 280 Registered: Sep 2008
Posted February 3rd, 2012 07:34 PM IPI'm hearing a league with these schools:
galion
river valley
pleasant
north union
buckeye valley
jonathan alder
fairbanks
just a rumor I heard
TigerTail All-County
Posts: 185 Registered: Aug 2011
Posted February 3rd, 2012 08:53 PM IPput upper in that league too GT96-15 and thats what there going to vote on soon i hearGo Tigers
You said they were in the sectional and played them and didn't win enough of those games to get a seed. Playing Clear Fork is not going to get you seed and they were not in the sectional most of the 5 years.
Geeesh, I said, what I said, was said poorly. I still haven't been able to communicate with you. I will take the blame. REGARDLESS of what I originally said and how poorly it was said. THIS is what I meant to communicate. I will use many more words. Willard, Shelby, Galion, Lex, Clear Fork and Ontario all were in that Sectional and Ontario had played them all in the regular season for many years. I did not check what years Clear Fork had been in the DII Sectional, I knew Ontario and Clear Fork had both been in and out of DII. My point was that because of not winning enough games against those 5 school in the regular season was a factor in Ontario not getting a 1 or 2 seed and a reason for making an early exit. If a team can't beat a team in the regular season it usually follows they won't beat them in the post season. Also a reason for Ontario's early exits in the tournament13
Quote: MrSteel wrote:
vogel your the hilarious one.
Ontario-201
You conveniently left out
Norwalk- 397
Vermillion-296
TC-344
Bellvue-284
They already play
Shelby-267
Willard-223
Upper-216
Galion-215
So who is running?
Willard wanted out and STILL WANTS OUT. Why would Ontario want in???
You dog Ontario for staying with smaller schools, YET in the same breath are wanting SMALLER schools in the NOL???
Which is it???
FAIL
In 2000, Vermilion wasn't in the NOL and still wouldn't be in the NOL if Ontario had any balls.
Back when Bucyrus left and the NOL had a slot open Ontario didn't even apply.
NOL
Norwalk is ---------- 98% bigger than Ontario
TC is ---------------- 71% bigger than Ontario
Bellevue is --------- 41% bigger than Ontario
Shelby is ----------- 33% bigger than Ontario
Willard is ----------- 11% bigger than Ontario
Upper is ------------ 7% bigger than Ontario
Galion is ------------ 7% bigger than Ontario
Ontario was scared to death as they knew they couldn't compete
Yet, Ontario opted for the below conference as they PRETEND these schools are closer to their size
Ontario is --------- 241% bigger than Lucas
Ontario is --------- 168% bigger than Crestline
Ontario is --------- 81% bigger than BC
Ontario is --------- 76% bigger than CC
Ontario is --------- 65% bigger than Riverdale
Ontario is --------- 40% bigger than Wynford
Ontario is --------- 19% bigger than Bucyrus
98% ---- to --- 241%
71% ---- to --- 168%
41% ---- to --- 81%
33% ---- to --- 76%
11% ---- to --- 65%
7% ----- to --- 40%
7% ----- to --- 19%
Funny how on the left side you say it's too big of a difference, while you keep claiming the right side was a better fit.
Keep puffing out your chest, no one in North Central Ohio buys it, hence why your 17-3 team couldn't even get a Top 2 seed.
MrSteel All-State
Posts: 1244 Registered: Dec 2006
Posted February 3rd, 2012 10:43 PM IPWay to skirt the question (s) vog.
I dont remember the invite?
scooter All-State Posts: 1908 Registered: Aug 2005
Posted February 3rd, 2012 11:42 PM IPWilly in 02-03 Ontario had wins over Shelby, Lexington and Clear Fork but did not play Willard and did not get a seed. In 06-07 they had wins over Willard, Galin and Clear Fork did not get a seed.
(Edited by scooter)bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
Willard Fillmore The Bona Fide All American
Posts: 10406 Registered: Dec 2006
Posted February 3rd, 2012 11:57 PM IPI just checked and Ontario started playing Willard in 2003-04, I thought it was a year or 2 earlier.
You're saying Ontario got a #1 or #2 seed in 02-03? Could you provide a link?
You mentioned 2 of the 5 years. How did Ontario do in the other 3 years against those schools. Don't turn into a Vogel II.13
MrSteel All-State
Posts: 1244 Registered: Dec 2006
Posted February 4th, 2012 12:36 AM IP1999-2000 @ Ontario. Ontario beats Willard in old gym.
2000-2001 @ Willard. In a much looked forward to rematch, Dials and Fey beat an Ontario team minus a sick Benji Hall.
2001-2002@ Ontario. Willard won.
2002-2003 There was a one yr hiatus so Willard could schedule up. ASVSM and a team in N.Carolina.
Quote: Vogel wrote:
FAIL
In 2000, Vermilion wasn't in the NOL and still wouldn't be in the NOL if Ontario had any balls.
Back when Bucyrus left and the NOL had a slot open Ontario didn't even apply.
NOL
Norwalk is ---------- 98% bigger than Ontario
TC is ---------------- 71% bigger than Ontario
Bellevue is --------- 41% bigger than Ontario
Shelby is ----------- 33% bigger than Ontario
Willard is ----------- 11% bigger than Ontario
Upper is ------------ 7% bigger than Ontario
Galion is ------------ 7% bigger than Ontario
Ontario was scared to death as they knew they couldn't compete
Yet, Ontario opted for the below conference as they PRETEND these schools are closer to their size
Ontario is --------- 241% bigger than Lucas
Ontario is --------- 168% bigger than Crestline
Ontario is --------- 81% bigger than BC
Ontario is --------- 76% bigger than CC
Ontario is --------- 65% bigger than Riverdale
Ontario is --------- 40% bigger than Wynford
Ontario is --------- 19% bigger than Bucyrus
98% ---- to --- 241%
71% ---- to --- 168%
41% ---- to --- 81%
33% ---- to --- 76%
11% ---- to --- 65%
7% ----- to --- 40%
7% ----- to --- 19%
Funny how on the left side you say it's too big of a difference, while you keep claiming the right side was a better fit.
Keep puffing out your chest, no one in North Central Ohio buys it, hence why your 17-3 team couldn't even get a Top 2 seed.
I DARE YOU to provide proof Ontario got an invitation from the NOL in 2000. My sources tell me that you are a LIAR. Why was the NOL looking for a new member? OH....because Bucyrus had left the NOL. Ignoramus!!! Why would Ontario go to the NOL when they had worked so hard to get Bucyrus to leave the NOL and join the NCC?
It is a good thing that the vast majority of people in Willard aren't as stupid as you. Ontario should leave the NCC for the NOL when Bucyrus leaves NOL to come to the NCC??? Vogel -->
You actually think the NOL administrators back then were as dumb as you are? They would have insulted their intelligence if they invited Ontario then.
Heck I remember like it was only yesterday how you were slobbering over the choice of Fostoria and their State Titles, how it would add even more prestige to the GREAT and OMNIPOTENT NOL.
Why in the heck would the powerful prestigious NOL want your hated, lousy loser, no good "itty bitty" Ontario in the prestigious powerful NOL??? The way you hate on Ontario it would only denigrate the NOL.
You can't have it both ways fool.
BTW ignoramus, Ontario did all they could to get 3 more larger schools in the NCC, making Ontario the smallest school in the NCC Big School Division by moving Bucyrus and Wynford to the Small School Division and eliminate the "itty bitty" schools from having to play cross over games.
The REAL reason for the berating and hating of Ontario -->THIS YEAR, a below average Ontario beat Willard's varsity by 8, beat Willard's JVs by 14, beat Willard's Freshmen by double figures.....a good thing for Willard they don't play Ontario's 7th and 8th grade teams.
Quote: scooter wrote:
Willy in 02-03 Ontario had wins over Shelby, Lexington and Clear Fork but did not play Willard and did not get a seed. In 06-07 they had wins over Willard, Galin and Clear Fork did not get a seed.
(Edited by scooter)
Ahhh an edit when no link could be given.
AND.....you failed to give us the same information about the other 3 years which was asked for. If you know about two, you know about the other three.
In 02-03 Ontario didn't get a 1 or 2 seed because they lost to Galion, Bucyrus, Madison and Buckeye Central and Willard was undefeated in the NOL and Upper had 4 losses at the time of the seeding meeting. Ontario lost by 1 to Upper in the Finals. Close but they got the seeding right.
In 06-07 Ontario didn't get a 1 or 2 seed because they lost to Lex, Madison and Shelby during the regular season. Upper of course got the #1 seed and Shelby got the #2 seed with 3 loses at the time of the seeding meeting, 2 of which were to Upper. Ontario lost to Lex by 1 and then Lex beat Shelby by 10 in the Finals. A case of a team getting hot at the end of the season. If I remember correctly Avery was a Freshman that year and came up huge in the tournament. AND Ontario lost to Lex and Shelby in the regular season.
Quote: MrSteel wrote:
1999-2000 @ Ontario. Ontario beats Willard in old gym.
2000-2001 @ Willard. In a much looked forward to rematch, Dials and Fey beat an Ontario team minus a sick Benji Hall.
2001-2002@ Ontario. Willard won.
2002-2003 There was a one yr hiatus so Willard could schedule up. ASVSM and a team in N.Carolina.
(Edited by MrSteel)
I KNEW IT.....thanks....Ontario doing a favor for Willard so they could play a more prestigious team.
BTW you left out 1st Team ALL-Ohio Benji Hall missed that game. Which was a very close game even without him.
Quote: Vogel wrote:
Ontario fans say we can't use pre-Balogh
Ontario fans say we can't use D-II
Ontario fans say we can't use Class AA under Balogh
Ontario fans claim they are a basketball power and do not rack up wins vs Lucas and Crestline, but instead rack up wins vs really good teams their size Joe Balogh and the GREATEST of All-Time - ONTARIO - woot woot
1985-86 - Lost in Class AA Sectional ---- does not count against Balogh or Ontario
1986-87 - Lost in Class AA Sectional ---- does not count against Balogh or Ontario
1987-88 - Lost in D-3 Sectional
1988-89 - Lost in D-3 District Semi
1989-90 - D-3 District Champs - Lost in Regional Semi
1990-91 - Lost in D-3 Sectional
1991-92 - Lost in D-3 Sectional
1992-93 - Lost in D-3 District Semi
1993-94 - D-3 District Champs - Lost in Regional Semi
1994-95 - D-3 District Champs - D-3 Regional Champs - Lost in State Semi
1995-96 - lost in D-3 Sectional
1996-97 - D-3 District Champs - Lost in Regional FINAL
1997-98 - D-3 District Champs - Lost in Regional Semi
1998-99 - Lost in District Semi
1999-00 - D-3 District Champs - Lost in Regional Semi
2000-01 - Lost in D-3 District FINAL
2001-02 - lost in D-3 Sectional
2002-03 - Lost in D-2 Sectional ---- does not count against Balogh or Ontario
2003-04 - Lost in D-2 Sectional ---- does not count against Balogh or Ontario
2004-05 - Lost in D-2 Sectional ---- does not count against Balogh or Ontario
2005-06 - Lost in D-2 Sectional ---- does not count against Balogh or Ontario
2006-07 - Lost in D-2 Sectional ---- does not count against Balogh or Ontario
2007-08 - Lost in D-3 District FINAL
2008-09 - Lost in D-3 Sectional
2009-10 - Lost in D-3 District FINAL
2010-11 - D-3 District Champs - Lost in Regional Semi
26 years - Ontario glory years - can't count anything before according to them
0-7 at getting out of D-II / Class AA level
7 - District Championships
10 - District Final Appearances
2 - Regional Final Appearances
1 - Regional Championship
^^^ Class of the area according to Fillmore - Ontario is the greatest
Remember though he wants to count all of Ontario's wins over Lucas, Crestline, Mt Gilead etc for LEAGUE Titles as the other part of this historic unbelievable resume
Wynford over the EXACT SAME TIME SPAN
11 District Titles
18 District Final Appearances
5 Regional Final Appearances
2 Regional Championships
Wynford > Ontario
Wynford with 2 different coaches > Ontario under their Master Joe Balogh
Enough with this Ontario being the greatest, especially when smaller Wynford has out performed you in the same time span.
LIAR - no one said you can't use pre-Balogh
LIAR - no one said you can't use DII
LIAR - no one said you can't use Class AA
LIAR - no said Ontario is the basketball power of the area.
LIAR - no one said losses in DII does not count against Balogh or Ontario.
LIAR - no one said Ontario is the class of the area.
LIAR - no one says Ontario doesn't win games against Lucas and Crestline.
LIAR - In the past 26 years Ontario has won 60% of their non-league schedule which included games against NCC Galion, Shelby and Willard, OCC Lex, Madison, Clear Fork and Ashland. River valley, DII power Zanesville, Gahanna Lincoln the largest school in Columbus and Cleveland Heights the year they were DI State Champs. ALL LARGER SCHOOLS.
LIAR - no one said Joe Balogh and the GREATEST of All-Time - Ontario.
LIAR - no one said DII Sectional games do not count against Balogh or Ontario.
LIAR - no one said Ontario was the greatest.
LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR eleven lies in one post.
I DARE YOU to prove otherwise.
BTW a below average Ontario team beat BIG DEAL Willard from the GREAT BIG NOL by 8 points, beat Willards JVs by 14, beat Willards Freshman team by double figures. It's lucky for Willard that they don't play Ontario's 7th and 8th grade teams.
Quote: Vogel wrote:
Ontario always had a BETTER record or EQUAL record to the team that ousted them out of the tournament under Balogh at the Class AA / D-II Level
You pretend Ontario is something. I don't see it.
You pretend Balogh is the 2nd coming of Collins/Haas, etc. I don't see it.
All I see is Ontario racking up REGULAR SEASON wins vs Crestline, Lucas, Mt Gilead, Northmor, etc then getting ousted in the Sectional.
It's why you are currently so upset with the N10. You know the days of picking on itty bitty schools is up.
LIAR - Did Ontario ever have the #1 or #2 seed in the Tournaments you love to talk about??? DID THEY, DID THEY DID THEY??????
Which one of those Sectionals should Ontario have won and why???? ANSWER I DARE YOU! ANSWER I DARE YOU! ANSWER I DARE YOU!
LIAR - I do not pretend Ontario is something.
LIAR - I do not pretend Balogh is the 2nd of Haas/Collins.
LIAR - Ontario hasn't played Mt. Gilead and in over 20 years.
LIAR - Ontario hasn't played Northmor in over 20 years.
LIAR - The only reason I and others are upset the the N10 is the lying sneaky way it was handled.
LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR seven lies in one post.
FACT - This year a below average Ontario team beat THE GREAT Willard Varsity from the OMNIPOTENT NOL by 8 points, beat the Willard JVs by 14 points, beat the Willard Freshmen by double figures. It's a good thing for BIG BAD Willard from the OMNIPOTENT NOL that they don't play Ontario's 7th and 8th grade teams.
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Steel, What is the enrollment for Lucas, Crestline, Buckeye Central, Colonel Crawford and Riverdale?
THE FACT remains that Crestline, Buckeye Central, Colonel Crawford and Riverdale ALL wanted to play Ontario. ALL wanted Ontario in THEIR NCC, ALL invited Ontario to join THEIR NCC. Ontario was admitted by a unanimous vote. Lucas wanted to play Ontario. Lucas joined the NCC knowing they would have to play Ontario. Lucas joined the NCC knowing they would be the smallest school in the NCC.
Ontario did everything they could to get 3 more larger schools in the NCC so Bucyrus and Wynford could move down to the Small school Division and none of the small schools would have to play a Big School Division team.
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As far as the OHSAA is concerned, it means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING how many students are enrolled in Galion THIS year. The Division numbers after the next 2 years will be completely different from now, when the OHSAA recalculates. There could be many other DIV schools that lose more students than Galion. It MATTERS NOT what one school's enrollment numbers are, ALL other schools are ALSO counted and considered. 
