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runner4life
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 Posted February 8th, 2012 09:28 PM IP   
Or invite Harding as well and make it a 10 team league...2 divisions.
The faster you run, the faster you're done!!!
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 9th, 2012 01:33 AM IP
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scooter wrote:
nor·mal (nôrml)
1. Something normal; the standard: scored close to the normal.
2. The usual or expected state, form, amount, or degree.
3. An average.
I've seen teams go 20-1 and be great teams. Also seen average teams get hot and go 19-7 and play for state titles. Which team was better is not figured with an equation or math formula.
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Why use normal? Must you always be ABnormal? 
EXACTLY....The reason one can not determine until all games have been played if a team IS average or above or below average.
One must determine the size of the group being considered X and the total with in the group Y and then calculate the average Z. Both of your scenarios should put each team way above average regardless of school.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 9th, 2012 01:36 AM IP
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Vogel wrote:
lol, I was using that word before you even found out there was a thing called the Internet. Should start calling you jake as now you are trying to re-write history.
No body buys any of your claims, you've been proven time and time again to be a mental midget.
Sad that you still have no clue what 'liar' means. It doesn't mean what you keep using it for, and that right there is why you are a joke in NC Ohio circles.
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I nesciented you before you nesciented me, WAY before NOSF days.
According to Webster.
Liar - A person who knowingly utters falsehoods with an intention to deceive.
I've given you voluminous opportunities. I've asked and asked. I've given you chance after chance. I've dared. Nothing happens. Not a single attempt to prove or back up your untruths.
You can't prove anything other than you appear to be a dwarf.
In the lower parts of North-Central Ohio, you my friend are the butt of many a joke, "The Mad Willardian".
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 9th, 2012 01:59 AM IP
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downtown_for_th wrote:
Wonder where?? I did hear a rumor they may join up with Tiro, Sulphur Springs, Little London, Bethlehem and Ganges(once these places build high schools) 
I know for a fact its not hooking up with the OCC's western contingent because Shelby told them last week they were not interested.
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Last week was before a conceivable retraction and a possible wavering. The SBC needing an 8th school.
One must consider the NOL looking like this in the not so distant future: Tiffin, Norwalk, Willard and Shelby
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 9th, 2012 02:13 AM IP
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downtown_for_th wrote:
Check back in with your administrators. Galion and Ontario received invites this week to come to the NOL.
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Does the NOL want both schools? Or only the first to accept? Unless the NOL is back to 6, of which there are several ways that could be the case OR even a smaller number, a nine school league is less than desirable.
The MAL, MOAC, the NOL, the OCC, the Richland County League. So many variables, so many looking, so many weighing different options. This is beginning to look more and more like a gigantic game of sports league chicken. No one wants to make the first move, most waiting, watching, all looking for a better deal.
The disgusting thing is The Wynford League is the only league certainty, I'm not buying the Bucyrus BS.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 9th, 2012 02:24 AM IP
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runner4life wrote:
Or invite Harding as well and make it a 10 team league...2 divisions.
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The NOL has NEVER wanted Harding. The only Harding scenario that makes any sense at all would be this: Big School Division: Ashland, Madison, Mansfield Senior,Lexington and Harding. Small School Division: Willard, Shelby, Galion, Ontario, Clear Fork. No school has to travel way to the West more than once in a sports season. Harding has to travel way to the East to ALL schools. Harding is/has been desperate.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 9th, 2012 02:49 AM IP
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Vogel wrote:
Fillmore
62-20 - NBA Team gets knocked out in the 1st round 4-3 and finish 65-24
50-32 - NBA Team wins 4 series (4-3) and finishes 66-44.
Fillmore would say the 62-20 NBA team was below average.
Dude is clueless.
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Clueless is comparing NBA teams to high school teams. Vogel has tried this silly clueless foolishness now with minor league baseball teams, college football teams, NFL teams and now NBA teams. Complete desperation has set in. No time period considered, no adding of all wins in said time period. No finding the average number of wins in time period considered. Vogel is so lost he's on another planet.
What IS KNOWN to be a FACT. A BELOW AVERAGE DIII Ontario Varsity team from the lowly NCC beat big bad DII Willard's varsity from the OMNIPOTENT NOL by 8 points. DIII Ontario's JVs from the lowly NCC beat DII Willard's JVs from the NOL by 14 points. DIII Ontario's Freshman team from the lowly NCC beat DIII Willard of the NOL by double figures. DII Willard from the NOL is very lucky they don't play the NCC's DIII Ontario's 7th and 8th grade teams.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 9th, 2012 02:51 AM IP
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Check back in with your administrators. Galion and Ontario received invites this week to come to the NOL.
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Do invitations come before applications or vice versa?
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Vogel
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Posted February 9th, 2012 07:07 AM IP
1) 'nesciented' is not a word. That's like saying 'ignoranted'.  You truly are nescient.
2) 80% of Ontario's teams in D-2 were above average
3) It does NOT take a Power team to get out of a simple sectional
4) You still have no clue what the word 'liar' means
5) Just because you make stuff up and say LIAR and someone brushes you off doesn't make you right.
One quick example
You said the following at 3:09 PM on 2/7/2012 - Page 9 of this thread
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
LIAR - No one said the pre-Hass teams sucked.
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And in this very same thread MrSteel wrote at 12:32 PM on 2/6/2012 - Page 8 of this thread
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Using Willards suck years before Haas is fair game too?
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You have the reading comprehension of a 1 year old. <--- That means you can't read.
You have no clue what liar means
You didn't even know 'nesciented' is not a word (because you do not even know what that word means)
Remember when you improperly used 'liar' and said I couldn't name 1 person in another thread. Then like the buffoon you kept making post after post saying 'liar' you can't name 1 person. Even after others said they recalled many people saying it. Then I quickly found 3 people in a 2 minute search.
You are a flaming lunatic. Please get yourself checked out.
But before you get checked out, pull out a dictionary and look up the definition of 'liar', then turn a few pages and look up 'nescient', there is no such word as 'nesciented' so do not try looking that up.
at the low IQ Fillmore
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scooter
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Posted February 9th, 2012 07:29 AM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
Why use normal? Must you always be ABnormal?
EXACTLY....The reason one can not determine until all games have been played if a team IS average or above or below average.
One must determine the size of the group being considered X and the total with in the group Y and then calculate the average Z. Both of your scenarios should put each team way above average regardless of school.
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So since you have been defending your Warriors all season in their losses saying they are young, inexperienced, full of mistakes, yadah,yadah,yadah. At 10-6 now with a good chance to win out they would be 14-6. What if they make a tournament visit of 3-1 to end up 17-7. Would they be an above average team? It's not simple math. Poor teams can have weak schedules. Average teams can get on streaks. Good teams can have bad games. Great teams can have early exits in tournament. All that means more then x/y=z.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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downtown_for_th
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Posted February 9th, 2012 03:14 PM IP
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Do invitations come before applications or vice versa?
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The administrator I had a discussion with said invites were being sent out. Who knows what the official process is?
One thing I am certain of... if there is a Richland County League, it won't include Shelby
President of the Dead Horse Society.
Commissioner of the Holmes County Rake Fighting Association.
And now known as a hair splitter.
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bbfan
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Posted February 9th, 2012 03:26 PM IP
I for one hope they were sent out and Galion jumps back in! this would be a great chance to get back to something good!
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downtown_for_th
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Posted February 10th, 2012 12:07 AM IP
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I for one hope they were sent out and Galion jumps back in! this would be a great chance to get back to something good!
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not happening.... tiggers are MOAC bound
President of the Dead Horse Society.
Commissioner of the Holmes County Rake Fighting Association.
And now known as a hair splitter.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 10th, 2012 01:58 AM IP
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scooter wrote:
So since you have been defending your Warriors all season in their losses saying they are young, inexperienced, full of mistakes, yadah,yadah,yadah. At 10-6 now with a good chance to win out they would be 14-6. What if they make a tournament visit of 3-1 to end up 17-7. Would they be an above average team? It's not simple math. Poor teams can have weak schedules. Average teams can get on streaks. Good teams can have bad games. Great teams can have early exits in tournament. All that means more then x/y=z.
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Defending???????? All Season?????? yada,yada,yada???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
If you paid attention instead of hating, you would know I said LONG BEFORE THE SEASON STARTED that Ontario's bball team was young and inexperienced and there were 4 schools in the NCC that had more talent returning. Then there's the head case factor. You ALSO would have seen my criticisms.
All of your what ifs, maybes, mights, coulda shouldas are factors in arriving at the final record. THAT is but one year. You have no idea how that ONE year relates to any other year unless you determine the group being used for comparison. It is impractical if not impossible to compare all of the subsets within your group due to the many different variables. It's simple and practical to come up with averages for comparisons.
If this Ontario team wins 15 games by the end of the season I have no problem what so ever saying they are a below average team. If they win 16 games I have no problem what so every saying they are an average team. If this team wins 17 games I would have no problem saying it was one of the better coaching jobs in the past 27 years at Ontario.
(edited to fix the format)
(Edited by OSU Josh)
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 10th, 2012 03:00 AM IP
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Vogel wrote:
1) 'nesciented' is not a word. That's like saying gnoranted'. You truly are nescient. 2) 80% of Ontario's teams in D-2 were above average 3) It does NOT take a Power team to get out of a simple sectional 4) You still have no clue what the word 'liar' means 5) Just because you make stuff up and say LIAR and someone brushes you off doesn't make you right.One quick exampleYou said the following at 3:09 PM on 2/7/2012 - Page 9 of this thread
And in this very same thread MrSteel wrote at 12:32 PM on 2/6/2012 - Page 8 of this thread You have the reading comprehension of a 1 year old. <--- That means you can't read. You have no clue what liar means
You didn't even know 'nesciented' is not a word (because you do not even know what that word means)
Remember when you improperly used 'liar' and said I couldn't name 1 person in another thread. Then like the buffoon you kept making post after post saying 'liar' you can't name 1 person. Even after others said they recalled many people saying it. Then I quickly found 3 people in a 2 minute search.You are a flaming lunatic. Please get yourself checked out.But before you get checked out, pull out a dictionary and look up the definition of 'liar', then turn a few pages and look up 'nescient', there is no such word as 'nesciented' so do not try looking that up.rofl: at the low IQ Fillmore |
Vogel is a  , has the reading comprehension of someone in an asylum, that means you're a nutcase. You have no clue that you ARE a LIAR. You're a sociopath, you lie so often you don't even realize you do it. You stretch the truth, you make up crap, you exaggerate, you think your BS is funny, you think you're joking, you constantly use stupid meaningless analogies. AND it's always done to put people down, to hurt people, to disparage high school athletes and coaches. IT IS old, worn out, and just plane childish. GROW UP.  at Vogel the bulbous buffoon.
1)Vogel is so dense he didn't see the after the use of nesciented. He's so stupid he can't detect sarcasm even when a sarcasm signal is given. Vogel is so dumb he doesn't know what spell check is. Dummy, the "nesciented" is underlined with a squiggly red line.
2)Vogel is a LIAR, 20 percent of Ontario's teams in DII were above average by MY criteria. Can you image how the idiot would rant and rave if anyone told him how to judge Willard basketball. JERK VOGEL, we all allow you do judge Willard how you want to. What gives you the right to tell all other people to judge the teams they support? HOW DARE YOU???
3) You're right, doesn't take a "power team" EVERY year. What word would you use to describe the Willard teams with Nick and Jimmy and just Jimmy? What word would you use to describe the Upper teams with Micheli, Jake, and Jon and just Jon? If an NOL team has the same record or one fewer win than an NCC team who is most likely the better team? If a team beats a team in the regular season is it not likely they will beat the same team in the tournament?
4- According to Webster, Liar - A person who knowingly utters falsehoods with the intent to deceive.
5. The many times when you make stuff up, you stretch the truth, you exaggerate to deceive, you are then by definition a liar.
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Vogel
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Posted February 10th, 2012 06:28 AM IP
at Fillmore.
Yes 'nesciented' gets underlined, so does 'nescient'. But 'nescient' is correct and 'nesciented' is not, you didn't know that and that is why you wrote it. Your lack of knowledge and incorrect use of the word 'liar' tells us everything we need to know about you.
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scooter
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Posted February 10th, 2012 07:39 AM IP
Willy- is it possible for a below average team to have a weak schedule and end up with an above average record?
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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fanofthegame
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Posted February 10th, 2012 10:55 PM IP
I hear the OCC will soon be announcing the departure of the eastern three. Current thought is Ontario only has one viable option. The NOL. IMO the OCC plus Marion Harding (minus the eastern three) for six plus the NOL with Vermillion and Ontario for 8 make a nice 14 team merger.
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scooter
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Posted February 10th, 2012 11:12 PM IP
If the three eastern schools leave I would guess Ontario joins the remaining five in the OCC to form a six team league and keep working to bring in others.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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fanofthegame
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Posted February 10th, 2012 11:15 PM IP
Ontario is small in either league, but they are much smaller in the OCC than the NOL. Also 8 is better than 6. Just thoughts not proof.
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scooter
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Posted February 10th, 2012 11:36 PM IP
Driving 25 minutes to your farthest league game is better than driving 60+ minutes to five of the seven schools in your league when you are trying to cut travel costs is what I'm thinking.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 11th, 2012 07:37 PM IP
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scooter wrote:
Willy- is it possible for a below average team to have a weak schedule and end up with an above average record?
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scooty - If you take the same school's basketball team coached by the same coach in the same league playing approximately the same non-league schedule every year for 25 years and the average wins per season is 16. Then any year a team wins 16 games it follows that particular team would be average.
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Vogel
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Posted February 11th, 2012 07:42 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
scooty - If you take the same school's basketball team coached by the same coach in the same league playing approximately the same non-league schedule every year for 25 years and the average wins per season is 16. Then any year a team wins 16 games it follows that particular team would be average.
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Yes, but YOU are comparing D-3 to D-2 tournament. You are NOT doing a straight comparison. I did the correct straight line one, and you threw a girly hissy fit.
I did the average. 14.5 - 5.5 for Balogh
Then in the tournament he makes runs by playing inferior D-3 teams and gets bounced in the Sectional in D-2 by playing BETTER teams.
Simple for anyone with an IQ above 80 to do. The fact you have trouble grasping that concept is simply amazing and proof your IQ is sub 79.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 11th, 2012 07:53 PM IP
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Vogel wrote:
at Fillmore.
Yes 'nesciented' gets underlined, so does 'nescient'. But 'nescient' is correct and 'nesciented' is not, you didn't know that and that is why you wrote it. Your lack of knowledge and incorrect use of the word 'liar' tells us everything we need to know about you.
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Vogel -->  YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT I THINK OR DO NOR THE REASON FOR DOING WHAT I DO.
That makes you a LIAR. MY reason for making up the word "nesciented" was to prove to the world what a dumbars fool you are. Thanks for playin'
In the future so as not to look so foolish remember to look for the Why the hell do you think I used that specific smilie in the exact place I did dummy?
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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MrSteel
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Posted February 11th, 2012 08:05 PM IP
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I did the average. 14.5 - 5.5 for Balogh
Then in the tournament he makes runs by playing inferior D-3 teams and gets bounced in the Sectional in D-2 by playing BETTER teams.
Simple for anyone with an IQ above 80 to do. The fact you have trouble grasping that concept is simply amazing and proof your IQ is sub 79.
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D3 teams in tourney are "inferior"?
You must not have an IQ over 80. It was already SHOWN to YOU Ontario would have not done anything in D3 those years either.
But carry on with your FANTASY. LoL
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted February 11th, 2012 08:24 PM IP
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Vogel wrote:
Yes, but YOU are comparing D-3 to D-2 tournament. You are NOT doing a straight comparison. I did the correct straight line one, and you threw a girly hissy fit.
I did the average. 14.5 - 5.5 for Balogh
Then in the tournament he makes runs by playing inferior D-3 teams and gets bounced in the Sectional in D-2 by playing BETTER teams.
Simple for anyone with an IQ above 80 to do. The fact you have trouble grasping that concept is simply amazing and proof your IQ is sub 79.
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MORE LIES by Vogel. NO.... I AM NOT comparing anything but AVERAGES.
You are an ignoramus baby. Ontario got "bounced" because there were at least 2 superior teams each of those 5 years. Ontario has had well above average teams that could have won a DII Sectional, not those years.
Go play with yourself and your WILLARD stats. NO ONE is telling you how to play with yourself. Why must you insist on telling others they MUST play your way?? YOU DO NOT have the right to do so.
FACT: Ontario has won 418 games in the past 26 years an average of 16.07 wins per year. Only a power hungry hate monger like you insists that is incorrect by your rules.
You're an internet nobody. Why must all other nobodies on here play by your rules?
I promised I would, so I must keep my promise. This is for you... power hungry ugly mouthed internet nobody.
This year a BELOW AVERAGE DIII Ontario varsity from the weak NCC beat the BIG BAD DII Willard varsity from the OMNIPOTENT NCC by 8 points. The Ontario JV team beat the Willard JV team by 14. The Ontario Freshman team beat the Willard Freshman team by double figures. Lucky for Willard their 7th and 8th grade teams didn't play Ontario's 7th and 8th grade teams.
IF Ontario was in the DII tournament this year and they met Willard, Ontario would most likely win again.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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fanofthegame
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Posted February 11th, 2012 11:35 PM IP
Can I try to boil Vogel's point down to see after all this mess if I have it correctly?
1. Ontario averages 16 wins a year.
2. The years they were in the higher division for tournaments they did poorly.
3. The years they were in the lower division for tournaments they did better.
4. Again, all while averaging about 16 wins a year.
5. Conclusion - the 16 wins a year is an inflated representation of how good they were because when they played bigger competition post season they didn't win as many as when they played smaller schools post season.
Does that about some it up? Were they playing pretty much the same regular season schedules in both stretches (bigger and smaller division post seasons)?
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MrSteel
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Posted February 12th, 2012 03:33 AM IP
^^^^ No. The only constant is their ooc schedule (bigger schools).
Outside of the 2011 fluke, success in the ooc schedule generally meant tourney success.
Ooc results in the D2 yrs suggested that they would not go far in the tourney in either division.
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Vogel
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Posted February 12th, 2012 04:13 AM IP
fanofthegame,
disregard MrSteel - he just made that up, they were in the NCC all those years. Same schedule
Since Fillmore and Steel say AA doesn't count, and say MOC years do not count. We will compare Balogh in the NCC. Notice how these guys say just about every year doesn't count.
Ontario / Balogh started NCC play in 1990-91
1991 - 8-4
1992 - 3-9
1993 - 7-5
1994 - 10-2
1995 - 9-3 ---- since they made it to the State in D-3 Fillmore says it counts as above average - Think they make it to State in D-2? Or another Sectional exit?
1996 - 10-2
1997 - 12-0
1998 - 12-0
1999 - 7-7
2000 - 11-1
2001 - 12-0
2002 - 10-2
2003 - 12-2 ---- Does that look below average?
2004 - 12-2 ---- Does that look below average?
2005 - 8-6
2006 - 13-1 ---- Does that look below average?
2007 - 14-0 ---- Does that look below average?
2008 - 13-1
2009 - 8-6
2010 - 13-1
2011 - 12-2
The NCC didn't drastically change in any of those years. That's about as close to the same schedule as possible.
Foulmouth is about the biggest liar I've ever witnessed on the Internet and Steel pulls the same junk.
80% of those teams in D-2 were above average Ontario teams. All 5 got it handed to them because they had to play tournament games in Division TWO and not the inferior Division three.
I'm still at Steel saying D-3 teams are not inferior to D-2 teams. Yep Colonel Crawford = Lexington - Good call Steel
(Edited by Vogel)
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MrSteel
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Posted February 12th, 2012 08:01 AM IP
^^^ Your memory is about as long as your........ (oh never mind).
Vogel-"Then in the tournament he makes runs by playing inferior D-3 teams and gets bounced in the Sectional in D-2 by playing BETTER teams."
Playing Inferior D3 teams??? WTH vogel? How does he play them? Oh yea, they are D3. So when they were in D2 they were no longer "inferior." They have a lot of control over that?
OOC
95 they were 7-1 Most of their 90's teams would of done fine. Their ooc is mostly D2 and some D1 then.
89/90 through 00/01
72-20 NON- CONFERENCE 78% Including Ashland, Cleveland Heights and Gahanna with the usual D2 ooc.
2010 1-5 says Nothing
2011 1-5 says Nothing. Weak area allowed them to get to regional.
D2 years ooc
03 4-2
04 3-3
05 2-4
06 2-4
07 3-3
Once again...... can not beat them ooc conference, not going to beat them in the tourney. Shows not a strong team. Not going to go far in D3 either.
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