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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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 Posted December 8th, 2011 02:19 AM IP   
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Vogel wrote:
Ball-less is the perfect example of a school that loves to play itty bitty schools. They do not like schools their size that's why they have hung on in a league with Lucas and Crestline.
2010-11
56 - Willard
46 - Ontario
Willard had a losing record
Ontario was the NCC Champs by picking on itty bitty schools
2009-10
61 - Willard
51 - Ontario
Willard had a losing record
Ontario was the NCC Champs by picking on itty bitty schools
2007-08
60 - Willard
62 - Ontario
Willard had a losing record
Ontario went 20-3 and squeaked out a win for losing record Willard. How did they get to 20-3? by picking on itty bitty schools.
SUPER SIZED schools are so mad right now because they loved picking on the itty bitty schools.
Ontario can't get out of Sectionals in D-2. Then need to be a SUPER SIZED D-3 school to win anything at the D-3 level. If they had middle enrollment in D-3 then they'd stink.
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 Vogel once again ignorantly talks basketball on the football forum.
Why did you leave out the the results from the 2008-09 basketball season??
Why did you leave out the results of the years before the 2007-08 season??
Ontario got to a 20-3 record by in 2007-08 by beating larger NCC schools Willard and Galion, larger OCC Schools Madison and Clear Fork, beating the SBC Champion and DIII District Champion Wynford twice.
The 5 years Ontario played in the DII Sectional they were not a top seed. In 2003 Upper and Willard were 1 and 2 seeds, in 2004 Shelby and Willard were 1 and 2 seeds, in 2005 Upper and Willard were 1 and 2 seeds, in 2006 Upper and Willard were 1 and 2 seeds, in 2007 Upper and Shelby were 1 and 2 seeds, Dieblers and Jimmy. Those 5 years Ontario averaged a 15-7 record, below average by Balogh standards. If Ontario had won a Sectional Title in one of those 5 years the whining about poor officiating would still be heard.
Ignoramus Vogle, if you could read and comprehend, you would know the only thing Galion and Ontario are "mad" about is the lying, back stabbing, and secret meetings it took to create The Wynford League.
Why does SUPER SIZED Willard from the HUMUNGOUS NOL schedule "ball-less" Ontario, "itty bitty" Margaretta and the worst football school in the tiny and terrible NCC?
HEY VOGEL....If you don't answer these questions you will once again be proven to be THE MOST ball-less individual on NOSF. Step up or piss down your leg.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted December 8th, 2011 03:07 AM IP
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Vogel wrote:
 They did it to get away. But Ball-less, Tail-tucker 1, and tail-tucker 2 didn't want to add in more schools.
Those 3 wanted Lucas, Crestline and the other itty bitty schools on their schedule to inflate their win totals. Adding more teams so that they never played them again wasn't on the agenda of Ball-less, Tail-tucker 1 and Tail-tucker 2
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The above is by far the most ignorant post in NOSF history!!!
Are you lying? Are you a dumbars? Can't you read and comprehend? We do know you are a hate monger.
PAY ATTENTION.....TRY to read and comprehend. I have already posted this scenario more than once.
The NCC "tail tuckers" to The Wynford League say the 4 schools that wanted to join the NCC were: Ridgedale 84, Mohawk 94, Seneca East 124 and Carey 128. If they were added to the NCC the Big School Division would look like this.
Upper 216
Galion 214
Ontario 201
Bucyrus 169
Wynford 144
Carey 128
Riverdale 122
You say Upper Galion and Ontario didn't want this expansion??? Those are 4 "itty bitty" schools! Dumbars you have just disproved your "itty bitty" theory.
ALSO, why would Wynford vote for this expansion??? It doesn't solve their problem of getting out of the Big School Division.
Why would Riverdale vote for this expansion??? It moves them up from the Small School Division into the Big School Division.
Why would Carey want to be in this expansion??? They would go from being the the next to biggest school in the MAL to a very small school in the NCC BIG School Division.
HEY Vogel.....ANSWER the questions OR over and over again you have been proven to be the biggest ball-less loser on NOSF.
This ALSO proves the "tail tuckers" running from the NCC are LIARS. There is NO WAY all four of these schools would have agreed to join the NCC.
They ONLY expansion the "tail tucker" liars would have been happy with would be FOUR schools with 170+ boys in the top 3 grades. Who would those 4 school be?????
IF those 4 schools could have been found it would have made the Small School Division look like this:
Bucyrus 169
Wynford 144
Riverdale 122
CC 114
BC 111
Crestline 75
Lucas 59
Everyone would have been happy, but it was an impossibility for it to happen.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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BeenThereDoneThat
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Posted December 8th, 2011 05:20 AM IP
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FbFan wrote:
^^I was going to comment on a couple of points in your post, but then I read your signature.
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^^ Hahaha. I like your quick wit 
Yes, ignorance is bliss...
You just can't argue with IGNORANCE.
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fanofthegame
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Posted December 8th, 2011 08:05 AM IP
After reading the News Journal article you realize the plan was either short sited or banked on the demise of the NOL (which didn't happen). There are NO big schools within the necessary distance besides Shelby and Willard. The article admits big schools were needed to bump Wynford down to the small division. So this gamble on an expanded NCC could only work if Shelby and Willard were looking for a new home. BAD gamble.
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galion
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Posted December 8th, 2011 08:07 AM IP
You mean I was right? The NJ says so. If a simple mind like mine could figure this out it must have been pretty freaking obvious.
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FbFan
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Posted December 8th, 2011 08:39 AM IP
Sounds like a pretty accurate and fair explanation by Dotson. I agree with fanofthegame, all ten schools did not really have a good grasp on how the agreed to expansion was going to actually work 3 years ago.
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Vogel
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Posted December 8th, 2011 08:41 AM IP
 at Fillmore, what a tool
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ojayvee
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Posted December 8th, 2011 08:46 AM IP
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galion wrote:
It's a fictional list. None of those schools will get Wynford into the small school division or would have agreed to play in the big school division. Any list of expansion 2-3 years ago included BOTH Shelby and Willard. When the NOL didn't crumble CC, BC, and Wynford all realized this was a pipe dream and went in a different direction. Just own it and move on instead of trying to create fictional scenarios to save face. Nobody is buying any of it except some of the harder core supporters of the above mentioned small schools who are having difficulties coming around to accept the fact that a few of their administrators are a little less ethical than they were originally thought to be. Fine, you did it. It's over. It is what it is.
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Yes , you are correct.........
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fanofthegame
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Posted December 8th, 2011 09:37 AM IP
galion, I guess the point I was trying to make is ALL parties made a mistake. Everybody agreed to expand with no real plan HOW. They looked as far as the end of their noses, but no further. If Galion and Upper entered the league knowing expansion was a stipulation they should have said to themselves who can we expand with that will make everyone happy. Ontario should have asked the same question. If none of them looked that far ahead they were either dumb, naive, gambling on a long shot (NOL demise), fill in the blank. If I were one of those administrators I would have asked myself who can we accept that will move Wynford down. If I couldn't think of several options I would have recommended staying in the NOL. Not one option, but several because they were gambling with the schools/kids money.
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MrSteel
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Posted December 8th, 2011 10:21 AM IP
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fanofthegame wrote:
After reading the News Journal article you realize the plan was either short sited or banked on the demise of the NOL (which didn't happen). There are NO big schools within the necessary distance besides Shelby and Willard. The article admits big schools were needed to bump Wynford down to the small division. So this gamble on an expanded NCC could only work if Shelby and Willard were looking for a new home. BAD gamble.
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If they were banking on the demise of the NOL, they should of made 2 separate leagues THEN while Willard and Shelby were thinking of where to go next.
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FbFan
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Posted December 8th, 2011 10:36 AM IP
NCC was 8 teams before G. & U. Not going to split into 2 leagues of 5. Hind sight is 20/20 for all ten schools.
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Fire the coach
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Posted December 8th, 2011 01:11 PM IP
Not to sound cheesy (but I will) Im sure the powers to be in the NOL are giving the bird and laughing at this situation, if the NCC really hoped the NOL would come to an end.
Sometime folks the grass is not greener on the other side............
Coaching from the cheap seats!
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted December 8th, 2011 01:23 PM IP
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Vogel wrote:
at Fillmore, what a tool
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The truth hurts for the ball-less Vogel. WHERE ARE YOUR ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS???
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted December 8th, 2011 01:58 PM IP
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fanofthegame wrote:
After reading the News Journal article you realize the plan was either short sited or banked on the demise of the NOL (which didn't happen). There are NO big schools within the necessary distance besides Shelby and Willard. The article admits big schools were needed to bump Wynford down to the small division. So this gamble on an expanded NCC could only work if Shelby and Willard were looking for a new home. BAD gamble.
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EXACTLY as I have been saying for weeks. Look at the divisions above after the proposal the Small schools say they made AND the desired scenario of the Small schools. Dotson also proved the Superintendent lied when he was quoted in the press saying that the Big Schools were at fault. If not a lie then he was misquoted and didn't ask for a retraction....hmmmm.
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted December 8th, 2011 02:03 PM IP
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MrSteel wrote:
If they were banking on the demise of the NOL, they should of made 2 separate leagues THEN while Willard and Shelby were thinking of where to go next.
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Willard and Shelby administrators have sworn on a stack of bibles that they really were never interested in the NCC....just listening.
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted December 8th, 2011 02:06 PM IP
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Fire the coach wrote:
Not to sound cheesy (but I will) Im sure the powers to be in the NOL are giving the bird and laughing at this situation, if the NCC really hoped the NOL would come to an end.
Sometime folks the grass is not greener on the other side............
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If you listen to those on here that say they have relatives and friends who are administrators at NOL schools they are still pissed at Bucyrus, Upper and Galion. I believe they're still to this day called "tail tuckers".
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted December 8th, 2011 02:14 PM IP
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fanofthegame wrote:
galion, I guess the point I was trying to make is ALL parties made a mistake. Everybody agreed to expand with no real plan HOW. They looked as far as the end of their noses, but no further. If Galion and Upper entered the league knowing expansion was a stipulation they should have said to themselves who can we expand with that will make everyone happy. Ontario should have asked the same question. If none of them looked that far ahead they were either dumb, naive, gambling on a long shot (NOL demise), fill in the blank. If I were one of those administrators I would have asked myself who can we accept that will move Wynford down. If I couldn't think of several options I would have recommended staying in the NOL. Not one option, but several because they were gambling with the schools/kids money.
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It was the small schools who weren't far sighted enough or smart enough to see there was very very little chance of finding 4 more schools within a reasonable driving distance with 170+ boys in the top 3 grades. The Big schools didn't care what the size of the schools were as long as they weren't much larger than 250.
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted December 8th, 2011 02:16 PM IP
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fanofthegame wrote:
galion, I guess the point I was trying to make is ALL parties made a mistake. Everybody agreed to expand with no real plan HOW. They looked as far as the end of their noses, but no further. If Galion and Upper entered the league knowing expansion was a stipulation they should have said to themselves who can we expand with that will make everyone happy. Ontario should have asked the same question. If none of them looked that far ahead they were either dumb, naive, gambling on a long shot (NOL demise), fill in the blank. If I were one of those administrators I would have asked myself who can we accept that will move Wynford down. If I couldn't think of several options I would have recommended staying in the NOL. Not one option, but several because they were gambling with the schools/kids money.
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Agree.....bad gamble by the small schools, the big school didn't care.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted December 8th, 2011 02:30 PM IP
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FbFan wrote:
^^I was going to comment on a couple of points in your post, but then I read your signature.
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Yes, you would have hated to be proven wrong again.
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted December 8th, 2011 02:33 PM IP
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ojayvee wrote:
madhatter wrote:
The NCC would have continued to exist had:
The big schools not hesitated at adding other schools...The vote was 8-0 to add Upper and Galion with the understanding that the NCC would continue to expand in the immediate future. Once in the league, a discussion about expanding was held to which several "big" schools didn't want to immediately expand (as they were happy with the current format) which was part of the original agreement for them to enter the league. They were happy with the format as it was, knowing the small schools wanted to expand. The small schools took it upon themselves "looking" for others to join knowingly sharing this knowledge with the current NCC members. They found 4 willing parties (Ridgedale, Mohawk, Cary, and Seneca East). This is when the idea was raised to simply seperate and create a new league, since the bigs were hesitating at expanding, and without their votes there would never be expansion. Therefore, rather than live not knowing when expansion would occur the smalls along with the 4 they found created their own league where all parties are happy rather than staying in a league where there was obvious anger and uncertainty.
Heard this from 2 different superintendents and 2 different AD's....
confirmed by multiple sources.
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That has all been proven to be a lie by what the President of NCC/Wynford League publicly admitted to yesterday.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted December 8th, 2011 02:56 PM IP
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scooter wrote:
Probably not true MrSteel. In the 24 years Ontario has been D3 or D2 they have been D3 in 19 season and only lost their first tournament game 3 times. In the 5 years they were D2 the lost the first game of tournaments 3 times while having four winning season and one .500 season. In D3 they have had seasons of 7-13 and 10-10 with wins in tournament.
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The 5 years Ontario was in DII they averaged 15 wins. Well below Balogh's average 19 win season after his first 3 years of building the Ontario program, up to the years Ontario was in DII. Those 5 years included the Dieblers and Jimmy. Those 5 years, depending on the season, Upper, Willard, Lex and Shelby all had better teams than Ontario. It would have been a HUGE upset if Ontario had won a Sectional titles any of those 5 years.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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fanofthegame
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Posted December 8th, 2011 02:56 PM IP
WF, it WAS a gamble for US and Galion. They were leaving a league that, until they left, was stable. They KNEW the smalls wanted more bigs and they KNEW there were not many bigs that would fit the bill. They left the NOL with that knowledge. That was a bad choice. I know you are looking at it from the Ontario perspective which is a lot different than the other two.
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted December 8th, 2011 03:00 PM IP
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fanofthegame wrote:
WF, it WAS a gamble for US and Galion. They were leaving a league that, until they left, was stable. They KNEW the smalls wanted more bigs and they KNEW there were not many bigs that would fit the bill. They left the NOL with that knowledge. That was a bad choice. I know you are looking at it from the Ontario perspective which is a lot different than the other two.
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As it turns out it doesn't look like it was a gamble. The NEW NEW NCC will be a much better league top to bottom than the NEW NCC every could have been. Wait and see.
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crawfordcountybuck
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Posted December 8th, 2011 03:17 PM IP
This is all really exhausting. I’ll be glad when all the dust settles and we get into a good D3/D4 league. It will all work out and be better. It is a real shame these administrators and school boards have done this. In the long run Galion, Ontario, and Upper will be better off. I do look forward to seeing the score being run up on the small schools the next 2 years...Go GT!
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted December 8th, 2011 03:19 PM IP
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So you are saying the OOC was weak in their years in D3 but strong in their D2 years.
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You're the one saying that. The truth is Ontario was quite a bit weaker by Balogh standards the years in DII
During the DIII years Ontario's OOC schedules included Willard, Shelby Galion, Lex, Madison, Clear Fork, Ashland and River Valley, all larger schools. They also played DII State power Zanesville. Also Cleveland Heights the year they won the DI State. Also played Columbus Gahanna Lincoln, at the time the largest school in Columbus, in a 4 game series winning 3 of 4. Don't have the exact numbers, but I expect they had close to a .667 winning percentage in the games against those bigger OOC schools. Ask JW, he would know for sure.
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FbFan
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Posted December 8th, 2011 03:43 PM IP
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crawfordcountybuck wrote:
I do look forward to seeing the score being run up on the small schools the next 2 years...Go GT!
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What's new about that?
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FbFan
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Posted December 8th, 2011 03:46 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
As it turns out it doesn't look like it was a gamble. The NEW NEW NCC will be a much better league top to bottom than the NEW NCC every could have been. Wait and see.
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Sounds there now are some what you might say "big" schools willing to travel close or into traditional NCC country to play. Who are they please? If they're willing now, why not before the NCC broke up?
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BeenThereDoneThat
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Posted December 8th, 2011 03:55 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
Yes, you would have hated to be proven wrong again.
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^^^TRUTH!! Thanks for the ego-boost, Willy..
You just can't argue with IGNORANCE.
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FbFan
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Posted December 8th, 2011 04:01 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
It was the small schools who weren't far sighted enough or smart enough to see there was very very little chance of finding 4 more schools within a reasonable driving distance with 170+ boys in the top 3 grades. The Big schools didn't care what the size of the schools were as long as they weren't much larger than 250.
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I agree with you. Small schools should have thought it through more. The big schools didn't care, once they got in, they were set.
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FbFan
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Posted December 8th, 2011 04:10 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
That has all been proven to be a lie by what the President of NCC/Wynford League publicly admitted to yesterday.
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OK, time for an administrator from your side of this issue to publically comment and validate your version of the situation. We will be waiting. I'm not going to hold my breath though, but you should feel free.... 
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