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Behind The Arc
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 Posted March 7th, 2012 10:33 AM IP   
The TAAC is stellar in hoops! Not only this year, but looking at the program from both Eastwood and Lakota, they will be next year too. Toledo Christian and Ottawa Hills return nearly everybody from their roster.
I don't think it's a matter of what the MAL can do, because both Calvert and New Riegel played with the top dogs in the TAAC last night. I didn't give Calvert any chance and they still played right with the 21-1 Hawks. Their are teams in the MAL that are on the rise, and some that will always continue to be at the top. The TAAC as a whole is just tough and prepares you year around for games like last night. I think that is the biggest difference.
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jumper is money
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Posted March 7th, 2012 11:04 AM IP
I actually thought the MAL was better this year (at least the top 5 teams). Both teams last night could have won their games with a break here or there. I think NR, Calvert and Carey all schedule decent non league games to get ready for postseason....problem is the bottom 4-5 teams in MAL are sooooo bad that it wastes 4 or 5 games a year where the good MAL teams are not even challenged and do not get better those nights. I know the better teams play in the best shootouts they can find in summers and I guess they need to keep beefing up non-league portions of schedule as you cannot change your league schedule. MAL usually has 2 -4 good teams but does not have a great team very often.
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Behind The Arc
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Posted March 7th, 2012 11:22 AM IP
I agree with Jumper's assessment. I will start with St Joe's non-league schedule as they were the first to fall victim to a TAAC team:
St Joe plays these teams (Non League):
Cardinal Stritch
Norwalk St Paul
Mansfield St Peter
Clyde
Sandusky St Mary's
Eastwood
Marion Catholic
Gibsonburg
I don't feel their non league schedule is bad at all to be honest!
Tiffin Calvert (Non League):
Sandusky St Marys
Mansfield St Peter
Stritch
Fostoria
Mansfield Christian
Norwalk St Paul
McComb
Van Buren
Liberty Benton
Again, i don't feel Calvert's non league is bad at all either.
New Riegel (Non League):
Vanlue
Van Buren
Arcadia
Bucyrus
Buckey Central
Anthony Wayne
Tiffin Columbian
Colonel Crawford
Seneca East (non league)
This again appears to be a good out of league schedule. All 3 of these above are!
Old Fort (Non League):
Danbury
Woodmore
Lake
Elmwood
Northwood
Gibsonburg
Vanlue
Monclova Christian
Arcadia
Not bad either.
Carey (Non League):
Riverdale
USV
Upper Sandusky
Buckeye Central
Vanlue
Arlington
Van Buren
Arcadia
Wynford
I think this shows that it's not the non-league schedules that are doing these teams in. Jumper may be right though, its the 4-5 teams at the bottom of the MAL that are a waste of games. (North Baltimore, Bettsville, Lakota, St Wendelin, and even Mohawk at times). The league is fun to watch 1-7, but the remainder are putrid.
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Posted March 7th, 2012 11:27 AM IP
Next year should be a fun year looking at who returns from the schools I know off the top of my head.
Old Fort: Everyone back that played significant minutes.
St Joe: Everyone back that played significant minutes.
New Riegel: Reinhart, Williams, Wank, and Hohman all back!
Carey: Meek, Blair, Boes all back.
Hopewell: Gregg, Black, Harrison are back.
Calvert: Returns the player of the year in Warnement.
Seneca East: Hahler, Phillips, Bauman, and Bartley.
Having said all that, and a lot can change in a year, but Old Fort and New Riegel look to be at the top, with St Joe and Carey right behind them.
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Posted March 7th, 2012 02:29 PM IP
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The TAAC is stellar in hoops! Not only this year, but looking at the program from both Eastwood and Lakota, they will be next year too. Toledo Christian and Ottawa Hills return nearly everybody from their roster.
I don't think it's a matter of what the MAL can do, because both Calvert and New Riegel played with the top dogs in the TAAC last night. I didn't give Calvert any chance and they still played right with the 21-1 Hawks. Their are teams in the MAL that are on the rise, and some that will always continue to be at the top. The TAAC as a whole is just tough and prepares you year around for games like last night. I think that is the biggest difference.
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TAAC stellar? Not too sure I agree with that assessment.
Sure MVCD is 21-1 but aside from the 14 games in conference, their ooc slate includes Monclova Christian, twice, Bettsville, N. Baltimore, Fayette and Liberty Center. Not exactly murderer's row, we'll see what they got at regionals.
Ottawa Hills? Lost to 5-15 Evergreen by 13 nuff said.
Toledo Christian? Agree McWhinnie is a very good coach. Lost to a horrendous 5-15 Clay team that won one more game the rest of the season.
I don't think the TAAC should be the MAL's measuring stick.
Back to the MAL though, good things at OF this year. Calvert, NR always puts good teams on the floor. But you guys are right the rest of the league needs to get its act together. Top to bottom, I can't thnk of a weaker boys hoops conference and I can't figure out how they've fallen so far as a conference.
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Posted March 8th, 2012 12:03 AM IP
Coach B, have you lost your mind? How can you possibly tell me the TAAC is not a superior small school conference compared to teams in this area?
A horrendous Clay team? They are D1, play in the TRAC where they play St Johns, Central, Whitmer, Findlay and others TWICE! Of course they are going to lose to those teams. Sheeesh. I can't explain OH's loss to Evergreen, but for gosh sakes, every team has one most years. You can't tell me you don't feel MVCD is top tier being 21-1 NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAY out of conference!!! They beat Toledo Christian, Ottawa Hills, and a few others twice. They beat Gibsonburg once, at their place, by 25!!!
The TAAC is a better league top to bottom than your beloved BVC, and I am a BVC fan! Take out Danbury and Northwood there are no pushover games! McWhinnie at TC plays good teams non league, as did Ottawa Hills this year in Delta, Southview, and Pettisville to name a few.
Old Fort was going to be good this year no matter who coached them! You or I could have coached that team and could next year too. I am a baseball coach by trade, but come on, they were talented. I don't see where you can say that Old Fort, Calvert, and NR are the only good teams in the MAL. I still like the things that are going on at Carey, St Joe, and even Hopewell for that matter. You have young coaches at St Joe and Hopewell and they do play horrific at times, but atleest they beat some of the good ones now and then. Take St Joe for example, the beat the snot out of Old Fort who is your darling above. I agree, the bottom of the MAL IS HORRIBLE! But I wouldn't say 3 teams is all they have, its deeper than most years in recent memory I know that much.
My only question is, who is your measuring stick for the MAL if it's not the TAAC? Please don't tell me the BVC or I am gonna barf. No teams are as bad as the bottom of the MAL, and no teams at the top of the BVC (Liberty Benton and Arlington) are lower than any of the top in the MAL.
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Posted March 8th, 2012 08:31 AM IP
Other than Ottawa Hills' run to state a couple of years ago, I'm just not sold on the TAAC. Good, OK I may buy that. Stellar, no I don't see it. I'd classify Emmanuel Christian as a gimme like Danbury and Northwood in the TAAC.
When MVCD rolls through the regional, I will certainly come on here and say I was wrong. But with the strength of their schedules, I think there's room for doubt about how good some of the teams in the TAAC really are.
And I'm an MAL guy from the beginning in 1985-86, I want to see the league as a whole get better from the top to the bottom.
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Posted March 8th, 2012 07:19 PM IP
I'm not going to say that the MAL is only three deep, but the bottom is dreadful.
The TAAC is much improved and have 4 good teams in OH, TC, MVCD and GBurg but after that they fall off just like the MAL.
The BVC is the measuring stick. There are 5 teams in the BVC that could have won the MAL in Leipsic, Arlington, L-B, Vanlue and McComb. I think NR and maybe TCalvert could have competed in the BVC, but I would guess a minimum of 2 losses, probably more. Up until this year you could throw Van Buren too.
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Posted March 9th, 2012 06:58 AM IP
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Posted March 9th, 2012 12:51 PM IP
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Coach B, have you lost your mind? How can you possibly tell me the TAAC is not a superior small school conference compared to teams in this area?
A horrendous Clay team? They are D1, play in the TRAC where they play St Johns, Central, Whitmer, Findlay and others TWICE! Of course they are going to lose to those teams. Sheeesh. I can't explain OH's loss to Evergreen, but for gosh sakes, every team has one most years. You can't tell me you don't feel MVCD is top tier being 21-1 NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAY out of conference!!! They beat Toledo Christian, Ottawa Hills, and a few others twice. They beat Gibsonburg once, at their place, by 25!!!
The TAAC is a better league top to bottom than your beloved BVC, and I am a BVC fan! Take out Danbury and Northwood there are no pushover games! McWhinnie at TC plays good teams non league, as did Ottawa Hills this year in Delta, Southview, and Pettisville to name a few.
Old Fort was going to be good this year no matter who coached them! You or I could have coached that team and could next year too. I am a baseball coach by trade, but come on, they were talented. I don't see where you can say that Old Fort, Calvert, and NR are the only good teams in the MAL. I still like the things that are going on at Carey, St Joe, and even Hopewell for that matter. You have young coaches at St Joe and Hopewell and they do play horrific at times, but atleest they beat some of the good ones now and then. Take St Joe for example, the beat the snot out of Old Fort who is your darling above. I agree, the bottom of the MAL IS HORRIBLE! But I wouldn't say 3 teams is all they have, its deeper than most years in recent memory I know that much.
My only question is, who is your measuring stick for the MAL if it's not the TAAC? Please don't tell me the BVC or I am gonna barf. No teams are as bad as the bottom of the MAL, and no teams at the top of the BVC (Liberty Benton and Arlington) are lower than any of the top in the MAL.
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Behind the Arc I think you've lost your mind on so many levels. St. Joe did not beat the snot out of OF. Ya they beat them by 13 but it was the third game of the year and OF got much better over the course of the year. Coach Hoover made a huge difference to this team. Why do you think he got coach of the year? I know for a fact that he had to change the whole culture over there from work ethic, game planning, attitude, etc...
If you want a measuring stick for the MAL or the TAAC look at the MAC and out east the IVC (Berlin Higland, Malvern, Garaway, etc). Two very good small basketball conferences and really all sports in general.
Lastly I'll take the BVC all day over the TAAC. The TAAC is getting better at the top but until they make deep tourney runs consistently I'm not sold.
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Posted March 9th, 2012 01:30 PM IP
Did you see the Old Fort vs St Joe game? I did! I will tell you that game was NEVER in doubt! That game NEVER got within 8, and St Joe led that game by 15+ the entire way. Not to mention, St Joe cleared their bench in the 4th quarter while Perry brothers and other starters played until 1:00 or so left.
I am not saying Old Fort didn't improve, but that game at St Joe was a butt whooping!
You ask how Hoover got coach of the year? How woudn't he considering he took over a 6 or 7 win team and got them to be competitive this year and be in the top 4 in the league. He should get coach of the year. We'll see what he does as a coach when next year's seniors leave. After all, it's not what you do for one year, it's what you do over a longer span. You could have coached those kids Nashley!
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Posted March 9th, 2012 02:24 PM IP
I think the real test is what Hoover does next year when he will be at least one of the favorites (or maybe THE favorite in the MAL). Can he develop some depth or respond when teams are really gameplanning to stop his scorers? Can he get to a district final or even further? He has done great so far...have to wonder how long he can keep up being a varsity head coach of 3 major sports at 2 different schools...Mohawk should have hired him for hoops when Konkle stepped down as that program is in a shambles.
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Posted March 9th, 2012 04:28 PM IP
Agree with Jumper, Mohawk should have hired him.
I don't think next year is his test, it will be the year after and how he develops the JV bunch on down. They have to be the favorites next season in the league, so developing depth won't be an issue because only one senior really played at all. Nothing much is going to change for this team.
Old Fort, New Riegel, Carey, and St Joe I would think should be the top 4.
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Posted March 13th, 2012 08:00 PM IP
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Behind The Arc wrote:
Coach B, have you lost your mind? How can you possibly tell me the TAAC is not a superior small school conference compared to teams in this area?
A horrendous Clay team? They are D1, play in the TRAC where they play St Johns, Central, Whitmer, Findlay and others TWICE! Of course they are going to lose to those teams. Sheeesh. I can't explain OH's loss to Evergreen, but for gosh sakes, every team has one most years. You can't tell me you don't feel MVCD is top tier being 21-1 NO MATTER WHO THEY PLAY out of conference!!! They beat Toledo Christian, Ottawa Hills, and a few others twice. They beat Gibsonburg once, at their place, by 25!!!
The TAAC is a better league top to bottom than your beloved BVC, and I am a BVC fan! Take out Danbury and Northwood there are no pushover games! McWhinnie at TC plays good teams non league, as did Ottawa Hills this year in Delta, Southview, and Pettisville to name a few.
Old Fort was going to be good this year no matter who coached them! You or I could have coached that team and could next year too. I am a baseball coach by trade, but come on, they were talented. I don't see where you can say that Old Fort, Calvert, and NR are the only good teams in the MAL. I still like the things that are going on at Carey, St Joe, and even Hopewell for that matter. You have young coaches at St Joe and Hopewell and they do play horrific at times, but atleest they beat some of the good ones now and then. Take St Joe for example, the beat the snot out of Old Fort who is your darling above. I agree, the bottom of the MAL IS HORRIBLE! But I wouldn't say 3 teams is all they have, its deeper than most years in recent memory I know that much.
My only question is, who is your measuring stick for the MAL if it's not the TAAC? Please don't tell me the BVC or I am gonna barf. No teams are as bad as the bottom of the MAL, and no teams at the top of the BVC (Liberty Benton and Arlington) are lower than any of the top in the MAL.
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Behind the Arc do you want to retract that statement? In the first regional semi game Arlington 52 - MVCD 38.
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Posted March 14th, 2012 09:50 AM IP
TOP TO BOTTOM......TOP TO BOTTOM.
I figured I'd hear from someone, so let me be the first to say that Arlington is VERY GOOD and Maumee Valley is too. MVCD did not play well in the 4th quarter last night, it was that plain and simple. By no means does this take away from what they did this year! They played horrible all night I felt, and STILL had a lead in the 3rd quarter. Taking nothing away from Arlington though.
Arlington will cruise by Edgerton without Edgerton's best player playing! Good to see them playing well!
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Posted March 14th, 2012 12:40 PM IP
Just had to give you a hard time Arc! No doubt MV is good. Sad to hear about Edgertons player but I would have picked Arlington in that game regardless.
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Posted March 14th, 2012 01:55 PM IP
Arlington has 7 seniors in their 8 man rotation...3 or 4 of them have played a ton of varsity ball and are good players. No substitute for "good" seniors and with Recker as their go-to guy they may make it to Cbus
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Posted March 16th, 2012 01:05 PM IP
wow, was he fired or did he quit? or was his contract "not renewed"?
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Posted March 16th, 2012 02:03 PM IP
They should have given it to Hoover the last time, I doubt he leaves his team coming back next year at OF as they should be good. Maybe Konkle jumps back in as he coached 8th grade boys this past year...8th grade won MAL but not much talent in grades 9-11 coming back for Mohawk....probably not a great job as Mohawk still views itself as a football school.
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Posted March 16th, 2012 05:20 PM IP
I heard talk that Bettsville coach Haynes is interested as Bettsville may even field a team next season. He played a Mohawk in late 90's.
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Posted March 18th, 2012 07:40 AM IP
If I was Hoover, I would take the job at Mohawk if it is in fact open! He has one good year left at Old Fort, then the cupboard is empty. Mohawk has a very good junior high program.
Why do I smell something rotten here though at Mohawk? There wasn't a coach around that could have gotten much more out of these kids that Bates has had the past few years. Now, when the talent pool is up in the future, they give him the boot? If I was a betting man, I would bet that Konkle is back as the head coach next year and that Bates was the guy hired to "hold the fort down" for the time being. I feel bad for Bates, I knew him when he was at Arcadia and seems like a pretty decent guy and coach.
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Posted March 18th, 2012 08:39 PM IP
I heard that it was partly his decision to leave, but that is just hearsay
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Posted March 19th, 2012 10:30 PM IP
It was his decision. He was not "given the boot."
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Nashley25
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Posted March 20th, 2012 08:05 PM IP
No way does Hoover take the Mohawk job and here's why:
1. Mohawk school board already turned him down last year. They didn't think he could coach 3 varsity sports. Although they may want to reconsider that now.
2. He's an Old Fort alum and coaching the boys varsity basketball at OF is his dream job. I know for a fact that he has the full support of alumni especially all the former players he played with. Now with that being said next year he will have a good team but after that he has his work cut out. He's got a lot of work still to do building that program up.
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catch2285
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Posted March 20th, 2012 08:06 PM IP
When did Hoover graduate from OF?
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Posted March 21st, 2012 02:27 AM IP
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When did Hoover graduate from OF?
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Posted March 30th, 2012 04:38 PM IP
So is Haynes the leader for the Mohawk job? He has done an admirable job at Bettsville with limited talent and numbers. Mohawk does not have a great basketball tradition but the sheer numbers would make it much easier for the right guy to build a program and he is a Mohawk alum. I think it is him or Konkle comes back to hs coaching.
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Posted April 3rd, 2012 03:28 PM IP
Why would anyone want to fight with the hassles that the football coach gives the basketball kids at Mohawk? They aren't allowed to do anything outside of football over there. This came straight from the kids mouth too. I think Haynes does a good job, but I don't see how Mohawk is "moving up" by hiring him.
I said it once before, the seat was "kept warm" by Bates only for Konkle to come back in and coach again. He coached Jr High this year for gosh sakes.
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