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Swoosh10
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 Posted July 19th, 2011 08:37 PM IP   
It was about this time last year that we got the predictions rolling. Thought we could do it all in one topic rather than 12 different team pages this year. Now that summer camps and open gyms are done or winding down, how does everyone think the teams will finish next year? I printed off a copy of the final stats from last year. Here is my predicted finish. The number beside the team is returning points per game. This is based purely on returning talent and guessing. I put no thought into who plays who where, which could make a big difference as you see in #4.
1. New Riegel - 37 - Lose the point guard and a few role players but the rest of the core is intact. Filling those holes with players from a 20-0 JV team so I think they are the clear favorite. I think the loss of Reinhart will be bigger than most expect, but it's NR so they have all fall to get someone ready.
2. Hopewell Loudon - 45 - Lose only one senior who was the 6th or 7th man. Led the league in defensive average last year. With the entire starting 5 back from a team that went 6-5 in league play last year, they could make a big jump this season. It's Hopewell though and it feels strange picking them this high in basketball.
3. Seneca East - 34 - Return a ton of talent again. Was a toss up between them and HL for second, but since HL beat them last year I gave them the nod. Schafer is the top returning scorer at 14.5 and possibly the best athlete in the league. Along with Diehm and Haler this is a very dangerous team. Big question will be how much of an improvement do we see in year two under the new coach's system? If the players at SE put half as much effort into developing some basketball skills as their parents do in criticizing coaches this could be a dominating program. No question the athletes have been there.
4. Tiffin Calvert - 31 - I had them higher in my mind until I looked over the stats. Losing Fry and Ritzler alone was 25 pts a game. I think they have the best point guard in the league which is huge. If someone steps in and fills a scoring role then they could finish near the top. One thing to consider and correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that my #'s 1-3 all have to make a visit to Tiffin.
GAP - I believe the top four are in a section by themselves. This next group of three are good enough to beat a top 4 team, but not going to be consistent enough to finish there.
5. Carey - 16 - This is a program pick. Returning numbers wise, they should probably be lower, but Coach Kinn has built a pretty steady program and I'm sure they will reload to an extent. JV was 15-5 so there is talent coming. I was impressed with their sophomore point guard Meek last year as well. He will make the transition easier for the young guys.
6. Old Fort - 39 - Losing Ream is big, but Perry is the 2nd leading returning scorer at 14.1. The younger Perry and the Davidson kid both showed signs of being players as well. Will they be as effective without defenses paying so much attention to Ream? After those 3 though I'm not sure who rounds out the lineup. With the new coach, and still a young team, this could be a group to watch out for. Could be very tough the following year.
7. St. Joe - 24 - Two very good returnees in Sessler and Dudley (assuming he returns). After that though there is a significant drop off. If they can surround those two with average players, there will be nights when they go off and carry the scoring load. Then there will be nights that it could get ugly too. I don't see them falling too far though.
GAP - Here are your bottom 5. Should be automatic 5 wins for each of the top 4 teams. Could beat one of the middle 3 on a given night, but other than that I only see them beating each other.
8. Lakota - 30 - Will be much improved from last year's 0-19 performance. Most of the team will now have some varsity experience. McDole is a very tough player inside and will give any team in the league fits. Maybe the new gym will generate a little buzz and attract some new players as well. I have them as the clear top of this group.
9. St. Wendelin - 22 - Moving in the right direction by removing the antics from the sideline. Shontz will be one of the better shooting guards in the league. No inside game and no depth will be their downfall.
10. MOhawk - 10 - To be honest, at this point you could draw out of a hat. I put Mohawk here because they had the best JV team of the teams remaining.
11. North Baltimore - 10 - They lost everything and the JV's were very weak. I think they got a new coach, but I still have not heard anything.
12. Bettsville - 20 - Have more returning than the two listed above, but after looking, its possible they only score 20 a game. Will be filling out the lineup with players from an 0-19 JV team. Could be a looooonnnggg year.
There you have it. My educated guess. Hopefully I do better than last year! Let's hear what you think.
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Steelydan
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Posted July 20th, 2011 08:03 AM IP
1. NR 2. Calvert 3. Carey 4. SE 5. HL That's my top 5 I would put Carey higher but I think Kinn is the weak link if Aichholz or Williman had last years team they would have won the NBA title (exaggerated for effect).
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Behind The Arc
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Posted July 20th, 2011 03:58 PM IP
1. New Riegel- Tons of returning talent from a proven team. JV shooting guard will be a stud in this lineup with the already deadly shooting of Schalk.
2. Hopewell Loudon- Starters all return from a team who competed with everyone for the most part. Good defense, good young coach, and solid players.
3. Seneca East- Really like Schafer and Diehm at the guards and then Hahler inside. Good mix!
4. Tiffin Calvert- Warnement is a stud, but look for Matt Frank to pick up some slack to keep Calvert in the top 5.
5. Fremont St Joe- Losing Reardon will hurt this team, but Sessler, Dudley, and Yeckley all started last year and return. Good guards, any posts?
6. Carey- Lost too much to put ahead of the top 5, but have the ability to make the jump. Wouldn't count them out, but early on this is where I see them behind Meek and Orians.
7. Old Fort- They will go as Perry and Davidson go. Stop Perry inside and probably slow Old Fort. I see them no higher than this.
8. Mohawk- As usual, no size inside but will play scrappy. They stay in the middle pack for certain and I don't see them going any higher or lower than this. Loose and the "bulky" kid inside are decent players (Can't think of his name, Eckleberry maybe?)
9. Lakota- McDole is one of the top 5 players in the league returning and add in some players who gave minutes last year such as Vamos and Harrison and they can be improved. I can see them finishing ahead of Mohawk perhaps, and maybe even Old Fort by a stretch. No higher than 7 though.
10. Bettsville- Micchici and the guard are nice players, but what do you add to them? Numbers are a concern for sure. I can see them no higher than 8.
11. St. Wendelin- Return Schontz. If he scores 20ppg they could win 4. Miller the only other returnee that will help them. Gonna be a long year!
12. North Baltimore- Lost everyone who contributed. No way they finish higher than 11 or 12.
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tarhe
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Posted July 20th, 2011 06:07 PM IP
Quote:
Behind The Arc wrote:
1. New Riegel- Tons of returning talent from a proven team. JV shooting guard will be a stud in this lineup with the already deadly shooting of Schalk.
2. Hopewell Loudon- Starters all return from a team who competed with everyone for the most part. Good defense, good young coach, and solid players.
3. Seneca East- Really like Schafer and Diehm at the guards and then Hahler inside. Good mix!
4. Tiffin Calvert- Warnement is a stud, but look for Matt Frank to pick up some slack to keep Calvert in the top 5.
5. Fremont St Joe- Losing Reardon will hurt this team, but Sessler, Dudley, and Yeckley all started last year and return. Good guards, any posts?
6. Carey- Lost too much to put ahead of the top 5, but have the ability to make the jump. Wouldn't count them out, but early on this is where I see them behind Meek and Orians.
7. Old Fort- They will go as Perry and Davidson go. Stop Perry inside and probably slow Old Fort. I see them no higher than this.
8. Mohawk- As usual, no size inside but will play scrappy. They stay in the middle pack for certain and I don't see them going any higher or lower than this. Loose and the "bulky" kid inside are decent players (Can't think of his name, Eckleberry maybe?)
9. Lakota- McDole is one of the top 5 players in the league returning and add in some players who gave minutes last year such as Vamos and Harrison and they can be improved. I can see them finishing ahead of Mohawk perhaps, and maybe even Old Fort by a stretch. No higher than 7 though.
10. Bettsville- Micchici and the guard are nice players, but what do you add to them? Numbers are a concern for sure. I can see them no higher than 8.
11. St. Wendelin- Return Schontz. If he scores 20ppg they could win 4. Miller the only other returnee that will help them. Gonna be a long year!
12. North Baltimore- Lost everyone who contributed. No way they finish higher than 11 or 12.
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Is Miccichi playing for Bettsville this year? I thought he got kicked off the team at the end of last season. Are they going to allow him back on?
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Behind The Arc
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Posted September 2nd, 2011 01:57 PM IP
Miccichi is golfing at Bettsville so I know he is enrolled there. His name was in the paper the other week for golf.
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jumper is money
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Posted September 15th, 2011 04:57 PM IP
That is some pretty early in depth analysis but it looks like the same teams at the top with NR and Carey and Calvert mentioned along with what should be a good SE team and HL with a ton of seniors....a big gap after those 5 teams though...NR probably the favorite but any of those 4 teams could beat them on a good night....according to Tiffin paper today it appears Bettsville is only having a varsity team this year as not enough for JV team...that is a scheduling pain
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oldfatman
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Posted September 16th, 2011 01:50 PM IP
to bad for Bettsville. maybe it is time to seriously consider merging with someone
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scout15
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Posted October 4th, 2011 11:02 AM IP
Is the Sessler kid from St. Joe going to be a junior this season?
What kind of season did he have last year?
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jumper is money
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Posted October 6th, 2011 02:04 PM IP
Bettsville not having a girls high school team this year as only 4-5 were interested...I guess 2 girls are going to play on jv boys team....probably good they are playing as this way they have enough for jv team...school continues to shrink as they will probably only have one jr high team this year too...they may not come close to any MAL wins this year
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Behind The Arc
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Posted October 11th, 2011 12:25 PM IP
Agree with jumper that Bettsville's number decline is going to continue to fall. No girls basketball team? Who would have thunk it? What are the boys numbers like at Bettsville?
Sessler is a junior at St. Joe and should be one of the top PG's back this year along with Warnement from Calvert. I know there are a few more good PG's back this year, but I do think these are the top two. New Riegel returns their's as well but his name slipped my memory.
I still believe the league is strong at the top and extremely weak at the bottom.
New Riegel
Hopewell Loudon
Seneca East
St. Wendelin
North Baltimore
Bettsville
The remainder of the 6 teams are all in the middle somewhere
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jumper is money
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Posted October 11th, 2011 02:39 PM IP
Surprised that everyone who has ranked the teams has Carey 5th or 6th...when was the last time they finished that low in MAL? I just think due to their sheer numbers in terms of students they will be higher than that as they usually have some big kids and some athletes...I will be surprised if they are not higher than that. Top half of league should be real competitive against each other.
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Behind The Arc
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Posted October 12th, 2011 09:30 AM IP
Just with the amount of kids lost to graduation alone makes me think that they and St Joe will fall this year. Those two were in the top 4 in the league last year, but I don't see either one sticking this year. People always want to say "well their JV team was......" but it's a huge difference between JV and Varsity.
I will go with this prediction as of October:
1. New Riegel
2. Seneca East
3. Hopewell Loudon
4. Calvert
5. Carey
6. St Joe
7. Old Fort
8. Lakota
9. Mohawk
10. St. Wendelin
11. Bettsville
12. North Baltimore
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Steelydan
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Posted October 20th, 2011 12:16 AM IP
I will go with this prediction as of October:
1. New Riegel will be the team to beat this year and next
2. Calvert Most of last years team back
3. Carey A lot of size and deep I think the guards will be much improved.
4. HL I think a football post season run will affect this team and they will struggle early.
5. SE Not very deep after Schafer Diehm and Hahler with no size on the bench.
6. Old Fort Perry and Davidson then?
7. St Joe young I have heard some of the younger players now going to Clyde?
8. Lakota
9. Mohawk
10. St. Wendelin
11. Bettsville
12. North Baltimore
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Behind The Arc
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Posted October 20th, 2011 10:26 AM IP
Calvert, Most of last years team back? They played 7 guys and lost the big boy inside and Ritzler?
Carey, deep? How so?
Old Fort...Dalton Perry, Hunter Perry, Davidson, Alexander (Plug in a 5th)
St Joe, young? They return 4 varsity players who played in 15 or more games according to MAL stat sheet in Sessler, Yeckley, Stierwalt and Effinger. Is Dudley playing? If so, they have 5 returnees that played a ton.
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sjcctrack
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Posted October 20th, 2011 11:40 AM IP
i heard st joes projected starting 5 is heading to clyde after football, Dudley moved down to florida after state golf, and the freshman parents started a charter bball acadamy school.....
not sure why st joe has these rediculous rumors all the time but they are never true.
1 kid that went to sje last year enrolled at clyde that was on the bball team, and i would hardly consider him a contributor to the program
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jumper is money
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Posted October 20th, 2011 04:12 PM IP
Anyone know the sectional/district assignments for the tourney this year? Not posted yet but D2 people on other threads have posted their sectionals already.
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Behind The Arc
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Posted October 20th, 2011 04:52 PM IP
Had me going there for a minute sjcctrack.
I am not sure why rumors always seem to fly around about St Joe either, but appreciate you setting the record straight on the kid who left. I honestly did get a chuckle out of your post!
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Steelydan
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Posted October 20th, 2011 05:06 PM IP
Arc I was thinking that Readon and Nagy were seniors?
As far as Calvert I think Warnament the other Ritzler, Nelison,Thompson,Franks,and a Soph. named Ball will do very well but we will see thats why these are only predictions.
Sjcctrack one name I heard that left for Clyde was Reiman a freshman is that true?
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sjcctrack
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Posted October 20th, 2011 06:38 PM IP
yeah its Rieman, probably could of made an impact at sjcc in a couple of years, might get lost over in clyde...
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Behind The Arc
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Posted October 20th, 2011 06:45 PM IP
No offense to sjcctrack or steelydan, but there is NO WAY the Reiman kid would have played this year at St Joe. I saw him play this summer at AAU and he can't physically take the beating of a JV or Varsity schedule right now. In the future that kid may be ok, but he will not step on the floor at Clyde either if that is where he is until his junior year at earliest.
If he left, then I assume his brother did too? His brother is better than he is and I think two years younger.
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Steelydan
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Posted October 20th, 2011 11:10 PM IP
I agree on both accounts but still I hate to see the league lose kids like this. I believe he could have played some JV in the MAL but SBC maybe next year. If memory servers me right he ran a 55 in the 400 as an 8th grader.
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Behind The Arc
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Posted October 21st, 2011 12:10 AM IP
Running a 55 in the 400 doesn't mean anything in the basketball world, just sayin'.
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Behind The Arc
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Posted October 21st, 2011 10:34 AM IP
Here is what I see from the MAL returnees per the MAL sheet that is floating around from last season that is emailed to all coaches, assistant coaches, AD's, etc in the MAL.
When looking at key contributors who played last year in 15+ games or missed some time due to injury, here is what teams have back:
BETTSVILLE: (Returns 20.3ppg)
Hossler 1.4 ppg
King 6.0ppg
Blausey 1.3 ppg
Miccichi 11.6 ppg
CALVERT: (Returns 20.2ppg)
Frank 8.7 ppg
Warnement 8.9 ppg
Brickner 2.6 ppg
CAREY: (Returns 13.9ppg)
Distel 1.7ppg
Orians 4.2 ppg (sure to increase drastically)
Coppler 2.4ppg
Meek 5.6 ppg
HOPEWELL LOUDON: (Returns 42.6ppg)
Sendelbach 8.8ppg
Gregg 12.5 ppg
Tyree 11.9ppg
Ardner 3.6ppg
Black 1.5 ppg
Depinet 4.1ppg
LAKOTA: (Returns 23.9ppg)
Robbins 3.1ppg
Vamos 1.4ppg
Brewer 2.9ppg
McDole 11.2ppg (One of top players in league!)
Reinhart 4.3ppg
MOHAWK: (Returns 8.4ppg)
Long .8ppg
Eckleberry 3.8ppg
Loose 3.8ppg
NEW RIEGEL: (Returns 33.3ppg)
Snyder 7.0ppg
Reinhart 1.6ppg
Kinn 10.5ppg
Z. Arbogast 3.9ppg
R. Schalk 10.3ppg
They also have a very nice shooter off the JV that I don't have a name for.
NORTH BALTIMORE: (Returns 7.7ppg)
Davis 1.2ppg
Peters 1.2ppg
North 5.3ppg
OLD FORT: (Returns 28.7ppg)
D. Perry 14.1ppg (Player of Year Candidate)
H. Perry 5.6ppg
Davidson 5.6ppg
Alexander 1.1ppg
Taylor 2.3ppg
ST JOE: (Returns 22.5ppg)
Dudley 9.4ppg
Sessler 6.5ppg
Effinger 2.3ppg
Yeckley 3.2ppg
Stierwalt 1.1ppg
ST WENDELIN: (Returns 19.3ppg)
Reinhart 4.1ppg
Shontz 11.7ppg
Miller 3.5ppg
SENECA EAST: (Returns 35.7ppg)
Diehm 10.5ppg
Schafer 14.5ppg
Hahler 8.8ppg
Phillips 1.4ppg
D. Bartley .5ppg
Based on Scoring Alone (Which means little if you can't play defense), this is how the league looks based on SCORING ALONE THAT RETURNS:
1. Hopewell Loudon
2. Seneca East
3. New Riegel
4. Old Fort
5. Lakota
6. St Joe
7. Bettsville
8. Calvert
9. St Wendelin
10. Carey
11. Mohawk
12. North Baltimore
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TripleThreat
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Posted October 23rd, 2011 10:55 AM IP
Arc...that last post of your's is a joke.
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Behind The Arc
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Posted October 23rd, 2011 12:52 PM IP
How is my last post a joke? I posted the returnees according to the final MAL stat sheet! In case you can't read, which I am assuming by your ignorant post, the order at the bottom is in the order of OFFENSE ONLY! No, get back to studying cause you have class in the morning and the bus will be picking you up at 6:45am SHARP! Tell your 2nd grade teacher hello!
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ronburgandy
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Posted October 23rd, 2011 01:10 PM IP
Haha, I don't understand how it's a joke either.
Yep, that's right.
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TripleThreat
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Posted October 24th, 2011 02:32 PM IP
Making a standings list based off returning starters stats that are a year old is a waste of time.
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94hoops
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Posted October 24th, 2011 04:10 PM IP
Triple Threat - Report to homeroom immediately.
He didnt make a league standings on how teams would finish
He made a numerical list showing how much offense each team has returning from highest to lowest.
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Behind The Arc
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Posted October 24th, 2011 04:14 PM IP
Triple threat is just now getting home from detention after school.
Start studying, pack your brown bag lunch for school tomorrow, and come back when you can read and understand the point of my post. Hopefully you're an MAL coach cause these other coaches in this league will have a field day with you if you are!
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TripleThreat
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Posted October 24th, 2011 08:07 PM IP
Complete waste of time for someone to take the time to type all that in and post on a message board. If anyone cares how the league stacks up based on those facts needs to get a life. You said it yourself, "means little if you can't play defense". However, you didn't post any defensive facts so we can throw out the teams that don't play defense.
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