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OLD CAT
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Posts: 354
Registered: Jan 2009 |
 Posted February 13th, 2012 10:20 PM IP   
Old Timer: yes it is a broad statement if you look at it that way. But as I am sure you know we are on a "Sports Forum" and are having a discusion under the "High School Football" portion of that forum. I thought it was pretty clear that I was referring to how our school board deals with the football program situations that seem to arise every 2 or 3 years. I apologize for not being more clear. I know that academics are pretty good at NL. As far as the basketball team doing well, I am very happy for the team and the staff. But I am sure there are issues somewhere there also (there always are in sports). I have done my share of investigating (or had my share of haircuts) and have heard nothing good about our A.D. and never seem to here anything good about the Admin/school board either (as far as athletics).
So it seems to me that our A.D. took the easy way out and hired a guy who was already employed by the school. Now there will be no talk about finding the football coach a teaching job because he is already in the building. How much experience does he have? 2 or 3 years as an assistant/OC under a head coach who had no experience either? Now as a fan and supporter of the program I expect the numbers to go up, this includes the weight lifting numbers. There can be no excuses now about our coach not being in the building as in the past. I will also expect for the team to pick up right where it left off. Yes they were 2-8 but competed in most games. With him being on the staff for the last 2 or 3 years including being the OC and knowing the kids and what talent he has coming back (or up). Those may seem like big expectations for a brand new coach (who like the last has little to no experience) but those are my expectations for him. I would expect a +.500 season by his second year. If he cant produce by then, well we might as well head back to the old drawing board. There is and has usually been talented atheletes at NL, they just need some good old fashioned coaching to get them over that huge hump. I dont know if he truly realizes what he is getting into with this job. I am sure he thinks he does but he has NO idea.
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HeHateMe
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Posted February 14th, 2012 11:05 AM IP
Not sure when or even if they will, but I think NL has a " meet the players/coach" night if anyone is interested in attending to clarifying any of your concerns regarding Coach Vorhies' resume or plans.
If you don't know, now you know.
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OLD CAT
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Posted February 14th, 2012 06:37 PM IP
Not real sure how a meet the coach night will clarify anything but it might not be a bad start for him to introduce himself atleast.
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97 wildcat
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Posted February 14th, 2012 10:45 PM IP
NL needs to fork out the money and get a coach with experience from within 30 miles.
Our sins put Him on the cross, but love kept Him there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6aji4bdWU&feature=related
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galion
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Posted February 14th, 2012 11:39 PM IP
Fork out what money? Your contract specificies what the salary is for the position.
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HeHateMe
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Posted February 15th, 2012 05:23 AM IP
Experienced coaches that are availiable are coaches who have usually been canned by another school. So i dont see how that would make much of a difference in the situation.
If you don't know, now you know.
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ScottT
WLKR
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Posted February 15th, 2012 07:14 AM IP
galion is correct.
The contract between the union and the administration specifies exactly what will be paid for each position.
There's no 'forking out' money.
2012 and 2010 Fandy high school football picks champ. Finished second (by one game) in 2011. Still pouting about that.
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97 wildcat
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Posted February 15th, 2012 08:30 AM IP
Im sure there are some coaches out there that have many years of being an assistant. Im surre there has to be a "canned"coach out there or one that you can bring out of retirement. Even Dick Role or whatever his name is, is putting teams in the playoffs. Farlow keeps bouncing around from school to school, and SBC coaches switching schools, so Im sure there ARE coaches out there that would be better than an inexperienced local guy. At least do a search and take resumes.
Our sins put Him on the cross, but love kept Him there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6aji4bdWU&feature=related
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ScottT
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Posted February 15th, 2012 10:11 AM IP
They have to be interested to apply.
And there's other factors, including open teaching jobs within the district, and $$$, which can vary greatly between school districts.
It's not as simple as some people think.
Trust me...I went through it twice, while serving in Norwalk.
2012 and 2010 Fandy high school football picks champ. Finished second (by one game) in 2011. Still pouting about that.
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Red71
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Posted February 15th, 2012 10:41 AM IP
Scott is right, this process is not as simple as it would seem. However, I believe you will come to find that the administration made the right choice. Vorhies, as some would have you think, is not inexperienced. He played QB at John Carrol and has coached on successful teams at Brunswick and Cloverleaf before spending the last three seasons in NL. He is not from NL and does not live in NL, but he does teach there and wants to be there.
He is 28 or 29 and has a lot of energy and enthusiasm, with a strong desire to succeed in NL. He sounds like just the kind of guy NL needs. Good luck to him and the Wildcats!
I have not heard of any plans for a meet the coach, but if that happens I suggest going to talk to him. You will like him and what he has planned.
P.S. I find it funny that the guy who complains about the revolving door all the time was the first to want this coach fired before he even had his first day on the job.
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ScottT
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Posted February 15th, 2012 10:58 AM IP
And please don't misunderstand me.
Coach Vorhies may turn out to be a great hire...Time will tell.
So far, I've heard some very positive things about him.
Sometimes you don't have to go far at all to find the right guy.
2012 and 2010 Fandy high school football picks champ. Finished second (by one game) in 2011. Still pouting about that.
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97 wildcat
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Posted February 15th, 2012 11:23 AM IP
ScottT, how can people be interesting or apply outside of NL if they didnt advertise it? Back when Brent B got the job, I think 50+ people applied because NL advertised in a huge market. SO......people would apply if it was offered.
And Red71, I didnt know he (Voohies) had other experience then being at NL. I was just going off what someone (old cat) said earlier in this thread about him not having experience besides a couple years as asst in NL
Our sins put Him on the cross, but love kept Him there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6aji4bdWU&feature=related
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Red71
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Posted February 15th, 2012 11:30 AM IP
97 wilcat, I was speaking more to the other guy than to you. I thought you were done with the FC football forums? 
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97 wildcat
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Posted February 15th, 2012 11:33 AM IP
Im back since the knuckleheads are gone. Funny, how one disappears, and then the whole flock of them leave. Coincidence?
Our sins put Him on the cross, but love kept Him there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6aji4bdWU&feature=related
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97 wildcat
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Posted February 15th, 2012 11:37 AM IP
I see on the bottom of the page where fire the coach has a b-day today. 42? Man, you're old. 
Our sins put Him on the cross, but love kept Him there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6aji4bdWU&feature=related
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Fire the coach
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Posted February 15th, 2012 11:37 AM IP
Not like Chuck Kyle from St.Iggy is going to walk through those doors at NL anytime soon.
Dont know anything about the new hire but might as well give him a chance because what choice do you have now.
ScottT is dead on with his above post above.
Coaching from the cheap seats!
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Fire the coach
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Posted February 15th, 2012 11:38 AM IP
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97 wildcat wrote:
I see on the bottom of the page where fire the coach has a b-day today. 42? Man, you're old.
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They got the numbers backwords, it should be 24! 
Coaching from the cheap seats!
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97 wildcat
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Posted February 15th, 2012 11:40 AM IP
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Fire the coach wrote:
They got the numbers backwords, it should be 24!
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You are not sky b anymore.
Our sins put Him on the cross, but love kept Him there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6aji4bdWU&feature=related
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MeMyselfandI
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Posted February 15th, 2012 07:12 PM IP
I'll go against the naysayers and predict Vorhies to have success. Perhaps NL can get to a .500 season next year and build from there. From what I've seen with him coaching Varsity Track and junior high basketball, I have liked his style and ability to see though the crap. He doesn't seem to play favorites, recognizes those who work hard, and at least shouldn't be accused of being related/friends/obligated to play certain kids. I think what has everyone all riled up is the fact that so little is known about him. Perhaps we can get one of our local papers to do a in depth profile?
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OLD CAT
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Posted February 15th, 2012 09:59 PM IP
I didnt know that he had coaching experience before coming to NL. So I will admit to being wrong there. But if he is in his late 20s or early 30s and went to college he still does not have much experience and certainly has none as a head football coach. I do not count his playing time towards his experience though. Playing in the game and coaching the game are night and day in comparison. I am sure some of you will disagree on this but just because you played doesnt mean you can coach. As far as him not being from here "so he wont play favorites" I hadnt heard of that being a problem in recent years so if it has been I would love some details. But I am also going off of hear-say on all of this.
I do still completely disagree with not advertising for this job. You can advertise it without much effort and that doesnt mean that your in house guy isnt going to be considered anymore. It is just a tool to see if there is any other coaches interested. You never know what you will get until you try. You dont have to interview them, all you have to do is read through their resumes. It seems that he was the easiest option because he already works at the school. But what do I know right I am the OLD guy here LOL.
Just seems to me that everytime we go through this (every 2 or 3 years) we make it more complicated then it has to be. Until this year when they took the easy way out. Dont get me wrong here I do hope that this new guy has success. I have heard good things about some of the younger groups of kids so he should atleast have something to work with. But does he really know how to run a football program? Does he know how to get all those boys who arent playing wanting to play? Can he get the those same boys in the weight room? I could go on and on. And yes I know only time will tell for almost every question anyone has to ask. But if they had advertised this job they might have gotten someone who has already proven they can do all these things. Instead of someone who wants to prove themself just in case a better job comes along down the road. Which seems to happen ALOT at this school. I guess in the end there is nothing any of us can do about it anyway right? I will say this though. My kids are grown and gone now but if I had a son who was athletic and wanted to play football, I am not real sure I would want him playing here anymore and I am a life long Wildcat. Its sad to say that but its true. It has nothing to do with winning or losing, just doesnt feel like anybody takes football serious in this town starting with the Administration.
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MeMyselfandI
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Posted February 16th, 2012 08:10 AM IP
OC you're starting to slide into that dangerous territory of the pot calling the kettle black.
OC: "Has anyone told this Vorhies guy what he is getting himself into? These parents around here can be a hand full from the stuff I am reading."
Then this: "So it seems to me that our A.D. took the easy way out and hired a guy who was already employed by the school. Now there will be no talk about finding the football coach a teaching job because he is already in the building. How much experience does he have? 2 or 3 years as an assistant/OC under a head coach who had no experience either?"
"My kids are grown and gone now but if I had a son who was athletic and wanted to play football, I am not real sure I would want him playing here anymore...just doesnt feel like anybody takes football serious in this town starting with the Administration."
OC when did you become such a downer? Isn't it true that because of their contract any qualified applicant that already teaches would get the automatic nod? I was about 99% sure he'd get the job based on that alone. But I would say There's plenty of coaches who get the head coaching nod around our small school division league without actual head coaching experience--plus we know he played a key roll as an assistant for the past few years, was head coach for track, has FB experience at the college level, plus coached before he got to NL--I'd say add all that up & he was a shoo in.
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Another Cat Fan
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Posted February 16th, 2012 08:54 AM IP
I had an inside connection (HeHateMe) and even I didn't get an interview! No one appreciates my coaching from the stands abilities. Look at some of my achievements:
1) Was coaching from the stands for the 2006 A.P State Champions in Baseball. Called the pitches except the games we lost (Glen called those games).
2) Was coaching from the stands on our last F. C. Basketball Championship in 2005. Dale listened well.
3) Helped Farlow from the stands when we went back to back years to the Football state playoffs (sans HeHateMe).
4) Helped Eibel from the stands when we went to Regionals in the early 90's. Actually called the play for Lavengoods last second shot against C. Crawford.
5) Was the nutritionist to the 1993 Cross Country State Championship team. Kind of fell off the wagon there.
6) Was front row coaching when Herb Gregory scored a school record 42 points. How many can say that? That the late 70' Holmes, I'm old school, literally.
7) Called the 99 State record TD pass from Howard to Chaffins in 2006. (Had nothing to do with the taunting flag on Derek soon after... (LOL)
8) Was coaching from the stands in the infamous "Rose-gate" basketball game in 1988 against Plymouth. Was personally escorted to my car by police. True story.
I would like to see any other applicants accomplishments against mine...It's very disappointed to not at least get a chance to be heard.
(Edited by Another Cat Fan)
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Red71
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Posted February 16th, 2012 09:59 AM IP
^^^Sounds like NL is at their best when you are in the stands!!!
From this moment forward your attendace will be charted against all NL wins and losses. You do have a good reason to be at all the games this year so look out FC!
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97 wildcat
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Posted February 16th, 2012 11:48 AM IP
ACF, I was at all those games too, besides the 70's game. But, one thing I can one up you on is.......I stitched Keith Course's wounds (from the thorns) from the rose-gate game.
Our sins put Him on the cross, but love kept Him there
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6aji4bdWU&feature=related
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Another Cat Fan
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Posted February 16th, 2012 02:55 PM IP
Red71, I would like to say my presence will be FB success but my earlier namesakes only squeked out a best of 5-5 (twice). With that being said the oldest did make his debut with the infamous 0-29 team so atleast he helped bring improvement for that era.
I'm still available for the O.C. job. I have no experience but I am enthusiastic. I'll wait by the phone!
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bene91
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Posted February 16th, 2012 04:27 PM IP
I would hope to see you down the third base line this coming season. Also this summer since I took your advice and found a Legion team.
It's better to have competed and lost, then to have never competed at all.
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Another Cat Fan
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Posted February 16th, 2012 04:45 PM IP
I'll be down the 3rd base line, but behind the fence.... Great move on finding a summer team. It can only help in his development.
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bene91
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Posted February 16th, 2012 06:30 PM IP
Come on, I can just imagine you on 3rd and Tony at 1st, and Morse in the dug out giving you guys signs. Think about it.
It's better to have competed and lost, then to have never competed at all.
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Fire the coach
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Posted February 16th, 2012 11:31 PM IP
Somebody connect to the spirit world and locate Big Dad, aka Scat Cat and seek wisdom on rebuilding this football program. The legend from decades ago.
Coaching from the cheap seats!
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MeMyselfandI
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Posted February 17th, 2012 08:36 AM IP
Sometimes I think we get more baseball or basketball talk than football even on this FB forum--that may be the root of NL's real football misfortune, lol. What's really important to your sons? NL's FB expectations go hand in hand with the off-season effort that is put into the program, IMHO. And I'd have to agree that Scat Cat at a Pep Rally was one of the more exciting parts of FB back in the day!
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