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Bananas 4 you
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 Posted March 3rd, 2012 01:21 PM IP   
Lexington had 2 lucky threes in the game. One of them was a double clutch three by Brooks and the other one was by Willeke on a bank three. Take away those two shots and it might have been a different outcome
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scooter
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Posted March 3rd, 2012 01:32 PM IP
If you take away every teams luck in tournament games many thigs would change.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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JackHammer
Knight of the Round Table
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Posted March 4th, 2012 02:05 AM IP
I blame this loss on Shane Adams. If he would have used his bench more they would have won. They are a championship level team who bowed out way too soon.
Fatlilly
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Vogel
Sir Lancelot du Lac
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Posted March 4th, 2012 08:42 AM IP
For the dorks that are clueless and attempting to make lame comebacks at me.
Here is the list of EVERY NCC Champ to EVER play at the D-2 level
2002-03 - (17-3) - Bucyrus ------- lost in D-2 Sectional
2002-03 - (16-4) - Ontario -------- lost in D-2 Sectional
2003-04 - (15-5) - Ontario -------- lost in D-2 Sectional
2005-06 - (15-5) - Ontario ------- lost in D-2 Sectional
2006-07 - (17-3) - Ontario -------- lost in D-2 Sectional
2011-12 - (17-3) - Upper Sanudsky - lost in D-2 Sectional
NCC CHAMPIONS = 0-6 at getting out of a simple D-2 Sectional.
Those 6 teams racked up a lot of wins. Ontario racks up a lot of wins every year, but we all know how these wins are not relevant, they are just inflated win totals by picking on itty bitty schools like Lucas and Crestline.
For anyone wondering why Upper and Galion TUCKED their TAILS for the NCC. Notice the following.
Cal Preps
22.9 - (21-0) - Norwalk
15.2 - (16-6) - Shelby
12.4 - (10-12) - Sandusky
12.2 - (12-10) - Willard
11.2 - (18-4) - Upper Sandusky
7.0 - (9-12) - Tiffin Columbian
2.2 - (7-14) - Bellevue
They left the NOL for the NCC to pad win totals. Upper was looking at 10-10 this year if they stayed in the NOL.
^^^ That's why NCC Champions always get bounced in the Sectional at the D-2 level. Their 16, 17, 18 wins are a complete joke because in a real conference they'd be around a 10-10 team.
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BeenThereDoneThat
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Posted March 4th, 2012 09:24 AM IP
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Vogel wrote:
For the dorks that are clueless and attempting to make lame comebacks at me.
Here is the list of EVERY NCC Champ to EVER play at the D-2 level
2002-03 - (17-3) - Bucyrus ------- lost in D-2 Sectional
2002-03 - (16-4) - Ontario -------- lost in D-2 Sectional
2003-04 - (15-5) - Ontario -------- lost in D-2 Sectional
2005-06 - (15-5) - Ontario ------- lost in D-2 Sectional
2006-07 - (17-3) - Ontario -------- lost in D-2 Sectional
2011-12 - (17-3) - Upper Sanudsky - lost in D-2 Sectional
NCC CHAMPIONS = 0-6 at getting out of a simple D-2 Sectional.
Those 6 teams racked up a lot of wins. Ontario racks up a lot of wins every year, but we all know how these wins are not relevant, they are just inflated win totals by picking on itty bitty schools like Lucas and Crestline.
For anyone wondering why Upper and Galion TUCKED their TAILS for the NCC. Notice the following.
Cal Preps
22.9 - (21-0) - Norwalk
15.2 - (16-6) - Shelby
12.4 - (10-12) - Sandusky
12.2 - (12-10) - Willard
11.2 - (18-4) - Upper Sandusky
7.0 - (9-12) - Tiffin Columbian
2.2 - (7-14) - Bellevue
They left the NOL for the NCC to pad win totals. Upper was looking at 10-10 this year if they stayed in the NOL.
^^^ That's why NCC Champions always get bounced in the Sectional at the D-2 level. Their 16, 17, 18 wins are a complete joke because in a real conference they'd be around a 10-10 team.
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Okay, Vogel. Point taken.
NOW, show us the teams and records of those teams who beat the aforementioned.
I remember 2 or 3, but I'm GUESSING that none of those teams lost to a patsy team...
It's not like 18-4 Upper was losing a 12-10 team from a stronger league when facing off against Lex the other night..
Like ALL stats, they are worthless until the ENTIRE context can be displayed....then you MIGHT have a valid argument.
My 2 kids know how to manipulate numbers like you. That's why they're straight "A" students.. Guess that puts you on track as being equivalent to 8 and 12 year old girls.. 
I will wholeheartedly agree with you once you show me the slouches that each team lost, too.
Thanks.
You just can't argue with IGNORANCE.
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Lumberjack smith
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Posted March 4th, 2012 11:27 AM IP
Ontario happened to be stuck in the Dials-Langhurst-Diebler era in that stretch. Good luck to anyone from any conference to get out of that sectional.
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CASE and POINT
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bbfan
All-County
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Posted March 4th, 2012 02:20 PM IP
vogle how many times this year do you think upper played lucas a crestilne? not realy that much padding the wins from those two teams. Shelby played a tough schedule in the nol this year and I dont believe they made it any ferther than upper did in fact Uppers lost was to an 18 and 3 team and shelbys loss was at the hands of a team barely above .500!
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Adidas63
NOSF Insider
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Posted March 4th, 2012 03:52 PM IP
Back on 2-25-12 Vogel put up his rankings and then The Upper Rams had enough points in Vogel All Mighty Ranking to put Upper in Third place in the NOL. Now he is using Cel preps.
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MrSteel
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Posted March 4th, 2012 07:37 PM IP
wow vogwalk, 6yrs and 3 teams? great expanse of time there fellow.
at least ontario did beat lex in a d2 sectional game.
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cheers72
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Posted March 4th, 2012 08:42 PM IP
Tne NCC is a Div. III and Div IV league. Is it a shock they do poorly in DivII?These teams are barely DivII in those years. I would say most teams that move up a division (and are one of the smallest schools) usually do not do that well. Remember not all the time but usually. This is in all sports not just boys basketball.
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scooter
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Posted March 4th, 2012 11:57 PM IP
^^Galion and Upper are DII so it must not be a DIII and DIV league.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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cheers72
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Posted March 5th, 2012 08:41 AM IP
First year in the league and they are Div.II by 2 or 3 kids. Galion and Upper are DivIII
in baseball this year. NCC is historically a Div III and Div. Iv league.
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scooter
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Posted March 5th, 2012 09:18 AM IP
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cheers72 wrote:
Tne NCC is a Div. III and Div IV league.
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First year or tenth, 1 kid or 31, the statement is false since there are two schools DII and have historically been DII in basketball many years as baseball is irrelevant.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted March 5th, 2012 03:17 PM IP
Schools per Division in the history of the NCC since 1987-1988, the year the OHSAA went to 4 Divisions in basketball. Through 2012-2013 the last year of existence for the NCC.
DivisionII,III,IV
87-88 = 0 8 2
88-89 = 1 6 3
89-90 = 1 6 3
90-91 = 0 5 1
91-92 = 0 5 1
92-93 = 0 5 2
93-94 = 0 5 2
94-95 = 0 5 2
95-96 = 0 5 2
96-97 = 0 4 3
97-98 = 0 3 4
98-99 = 0 3 5
99-00 = 0 2 5
00-01 = 0 2 5
01-02 = 0 3 4
02-03 = 2 2 4
03-04 = 1 2 5
04-05 = 1 2 5
05-06 = 1 2 5
06-07 = 1 1 6
07-08 = 0 4 4
08-09 = 0 4 4
09-10 = 0 4 4
10-11 = 0 4 4
11-12 = 2 3 5
12-13 = 2 3 5
Historically the NCC is/was predominantly a DIII/IV league.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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scooter
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Posted March 5th, 2012 08:38 PM IP
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cheers72 wrote:
Tne NCC is a Div. III and Div IV league.
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Exactly, Willy's info is proof. You can't say you have a DIII & DIV league when you have regularly have DII schools in it. 
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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cheers72
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Posted March 5th, 2012 09:30 PM IP
Ok you have two Div II teams out of ten schools.So its a Div II league?? It is there first year in the league but historically its a Div II league.
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scooter
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Posted March 5th, 2012 09:49 PM IP
I would say it is a league that historically has had DII, DIII & DIV basketball teams. Nothing more, nothing less.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Lumberjack smith
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Posted March 5th, 2012 10:42 PM IP
^Possibly the most pointless argument I've seen in my first full year on this site. Holy Lord... 
CASE and POINT
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scooter
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Posted March 5th, 2012 11:17 PM IP
Why do some on here see everything as an argument. Nobody is raising their voice. This was a discussion about a league that had multiple sized schools.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted March 6th, 2012 01:07 AM IP
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Exactly, Willy's info is proof. You can't say you have a DIII & DIV league when you have regularly have DII schools in it.
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Willy said "predominately", you foolishly failed to include the most important and descriptive word in the entire factual post.
predominantly = preponderant, prominant
The "preponderant" Divisions of schools in the history of the NCC have been DIII and DIV schools.
The "prominent" Division of schools in the history of the NCC have been DIII and DIV schools
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted March 6th, 2012 01:20 AM IP
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scooter wrote:
Why do some on here see everything as an argument. Nobody is raising their voice. This was a discussion about a league that had multiple sized schools.
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Why does only one on here not see the obvious, that in the history of the NCC since the OHSAA went to 4 Divisions in basketball, that the NCC has been PREDOMINANTLY a DIII and DIV league.
A total of 12 DII schools VS a total of 193 DIII and DIV schools is a HUGE preponderance of one group (DIII/DIV) as compared to a miniscule number of the other group (DII).
No argument what so ever, a substantial proven FACT.
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Willard Fillmore
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Posted March 6th, 2012 01:26 AM IP
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scooter wrote:
I would say it is a league that historically has had DII, DIII & DIV basketball teams. Nothing more, nothing less.
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I would say it is a league that historically has had very very few DII schools VS a VERY LARGE number of DIII/DIV schools.
PREDOMINANTLY a DIII/DIV League. An absolute.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted March 6th, 2012 01:50 AM IP
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Lumberjack smith wrote:
^Possibly the most pointless argument I've seen in my first full year on this site. Holy Lord...
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One of his many. His reason for existence.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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scooter
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Posted March 6th, 2012 12:45 PM IP
Willy you are not going to get into an argument here so you can troll for some other post to throw your name calling around. Look at it however you like, but the NCC has regularly had DII schools in the basketball tournament. Not and argument just an observation.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted March 6th, 2012 12:57 PM IP
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scooter wrote:
Willy you are not going to get into an argument here so you can troll for some other post to throw your name calling around. Look at it however you like, but the NCC has regularly had DII schools in the basketball tournament. Not and argument just an observation.
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No argument, FACTS. Not trolling, presenting FACTS. Name calling?? I look at it FACTUALLY. 9 out 27 years is "regularly"? 12 out of a total 205 is "regularly"??
regularly, adj. - Normal , customary, or usual.
None of those adjectives apply in describing the historical number of DII schools in the NCC.
(Edited by Willard Fillmore)
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scooter
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Posted March 6th, 2012 01:44 PM IP
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cheers72 wrote:
Tne NCC is a Div. III and Div IV league.
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Is this fact?
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Lumberjack smith
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Posted March 6th, 2012 01:48 PM IP
^Predominantly, Yes.
CASE and POINT
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scooter
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Posted March 6th, 2012 01:59 PM IP
Not asking in part. Is the statement fact?
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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Willard Fillmore
The Bona Fide All American
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Posted March 6th, 2012 06:53 PM IP
The list of absolutes in this world is extremely short. The only thing that I am 100% certain about is that we all will die.
If you will not allow any quantifying adjectives to be used when describing the NCC, then the most accurate description of the NCC is to say it is a DIII/DIV league. That does not mean that there has never been a DII school in the NCC, but it is a rarity. Approximately only 6% of the Divisions of the schools in the NCC have been DII, all others(94%) have been DIII/DIV .....12 out of 205.
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scooter
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Posted March 6th, 2012 07:20 PM IP
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Willard Fillmore wrote:
The list of absolutes in this world is extremely short. The only thing that I am 100% certain about is that we all will die.
If you will not allow any quantifying adjectives to be used when describing the NCC, then the most accurate description of the NCC is to say it is a DIII/DIV league.
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Another absolute is that you will try to debate/argue almost every post and try to say it's someone who is the bad guy when you are the common factor. Haha
Snce you are asking, No, I will to allow it.
bottom of the ninth, not time outs, it's 4th down with no fouls to give and I'm swinging for the fence.
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