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shadow_king

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 Posted October 5th, 2011 08:02 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Welcome.... Are you a Whitmer fan? We need some more Toledo area representation here.

I think there's no dispute whos the best team in the TRAC. But every championship team on any level has a scare game. Which game left on their schedule can give them a scare?
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 Posted October 5th, 2011 10:08 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I agree that Whitmer is the best team in the league. And I also agree with shadow that every good team has a "scare" game. For Whitmer there are three possibilities. Findlay this week, Ross next week, or Central in week 10. I would rate them this way....1. Central, 2. Ross, 3. Findlay.
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 Posted October 5th, 2011 03:18 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Central???????????????????? Findlay completely shut down their offense. I'd be shocked to see them score 10 points on Whitmer.

Ross...Findlay..................................................................................................Central.
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 Posted October 5th, 2011 04:23 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Yes, Central. What we in the TRAC, and apparently you kritzell, don't yet understand is that Central is a huge rival for the Panthers and will give it their all in week 10.
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 Posted October 5th, 2011 05:29 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Oh, that explains it.
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Oh, that explains it.



Thank you.

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 Posted October 5th, 2011 08:51 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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Welcome.... Are you a Whitmer fan? We need some more Toledo area representation here.

I think there's no dispute who's the best team in the TRAC. But every championship team on any level has a scare game. Which game left on their schedule can give them a scare?
thank you for the warm welcome,yes i do back the Whitmer Panthers they are my team.That being said i have always had a special place in my heart for the Fremont Ross Little Giants.If the Panthers fail i am the first to get on the Little Giant train.It will be very,very interesting to see how the Little Giants finish this year with all that is going on,the same can be said for my Panthers.
Both these teams must overcome a ton of adversity this season to finish strong.I would like to see the Panthers have one year where they could just play the season without all the off field distractions,we did a great job last year considering all the bad media and press about Coach Smith.This stuff is really getting old.
The only positive i see in all this is that Coach Palka last year & this year especially, uses this as a great motivator for his kid's,he is very skilled at being able to do that.He seems to be able to get the message across and the kid's buy in to it. The (us against the world)thing.

They are completely destroying teams this year,are they really that good? friday night in Findlay we will find out for sure,my guess is they are.

Good luck to the Little Giant's and beat St.Francis! Let's wish Coach Kidwell success in his handling of the situtation in Fremont as well,he is a great Coach in my opinion.
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 Posted October 5th, 2011 09:15 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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As mentioned on various forums, if Whitmer does hiccup during the regular season, more likely it will be to Ross. Little Giants seem to rise up when they play the Panthers.
I agree with you 100%,only one other team wants us more and Keith hit the nail on the head,just ask any kid from Central Catholic.This was shared with me from a teacher at Central,the kid's could care less about the Irish Knight she says,all they talk about is WE WANT WHITMER!
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 Posted October 6th, 2011 10:52 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I guess I knew this was coming, but the TRAC is totally unpredictable right now with the exception of Whitmer. Frankly, it's the way I like it.
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 Posted October 7th, 2011 08:15 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
We'll figure out just about everything after tonight.

I, for one, think SJ is overrated.

Should be a barn-burner in Flag City.
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 Posted October 7th, 2011 09:58 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
49-23. Pretty impressive. I hope the Little Giants can keep it close next week.
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 Posted October 21st, 2011 09:00 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
The Panthers now ranked #2 in the AP in the State & just broke in to the USA Today Super Top Prep 25.they are ranked #22 nationally.We all know they are a very good football team,but are they worthy of #22 in the nation?

It certainly will turn some heads around the state in so far as TRAC conference is concerned.Not bad for it's inaugural season,i feel it's great for all of N.W.Ohio football.It's been a long time. Good luck to all the TRAC teams that make the playoffs this year,let's make some history!Your thoughts?

GO TRAC & GO PANTHERS!
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 Posted October 21st, 2011 10:07 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
It will certainly be fun to follow Whitmer through the playoffs. I would not be surprised to see a Findlay vs Whitmer game in the regional finals. Findlay has a good team this year but it's unfortunate timing as they just aren't the match for one of the best in the country. I have to give Findlay credit for pushing Whitmer well into the 2nd half, they were only down 21-16 at the 8:00 mark of the 3rd quarter with the ball only to throw a pick 6 and it snowballed from there. Many thought Ross would give them fits but 42-0 in the 2nd quarter shows that they were not ever in the game. Based on that I think Findlay could go 9-1 which would be great considering they were picked #6 in the TRAC preseason poll. They have that SJ curse to get over tonight though....
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 Posted October 21st, 2011 11:09 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Kritz...Honestly i personally don't want to see you guy's again,talk about a scrappy bunch.It was a great night in Findlay,the Trojans played hard all night,your kid's never gave up.

I believe you will be just fine tonight,this is not years past and you have a very good football team this year.Way,way to much speed for the Titans tonight.Not to worry Trojans roll in this one.
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 Posted October 21st, 2011 10:10 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Good call! Trojans dominate SJJ tonight.
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Congrats to the Findlay Trojans on a must win!

Kritz...I told you we don't want to play you again...lol
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 Posted October 22nd, 2011 12:24 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
takeit.......don't worry, even if you would happen to play Findlay again --- it will be the same result. Whitmer is just a better team. Sure, Findlay was in that game till midway through the 3rd quarter but Whitmer also turned the ball over 3 times and Findlay surprised the Panthers with a double-pass to setup their 2nd TD and a big early lead.
I highly doubt that Whitmer would be so kind in a 2nd get-together!

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 Posted October 30th, 2011 10:56 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I had the chance to watch 2 Whitmer games on tape today. Wow!!! They have a chance to do some real damage in the playoffs. What a great team.
shadow_king

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 Posted October 31st, 2011 08:38 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Nationally ranked, anything less than a state title is fail. When it's all said and done, the only "team" that might beat Whitmer is the OHSAA.
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 Posted October 31st, 2011 01:44 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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Nationally ranked, anything less than a state title is fail. When it's all said and done, the only "team" that might beat Whitmer is the OHSAA.
While Whitmer is storming along to the playoffs teams in the traditionally strong region 1 and 4 seem to be backing in I was leaning towards a Mentor vs Davidson final. Mentor looked not so well Friday.. Maybe Whitmer vs Davidson.
irish_buffalo

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 Posted November 4th, 2011 05:32 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
As a Whitmer fan with a kid on the team I love all the Whitmer praise and think this is the best team I've ever seen from NWOhio.

However, there are probably 10 teams in the state (maybe more) who can match-up and beat the other 9 on any given Friday, well...now Saturday.

Yes, Whitmer is big and fast but in NEOhio there are several teams that can match-up with the Panthers in size especially, depth, and are not far away in speed (Ed's, Iggy, Mentor, Solon, McKinley). The same can be said for SWOhio and CentOhio (Moeller, St. X, Colerain, Davidson).

Canton McKinley for instance has two Big-Ten D-end's in S'von Pittman (6'5 245 - MSU bound) and Antoine Miles (6'3 245). They hav depth, a great fast RB in Holloway and a dangerous dual option threat QB in 6'4 205 Tyler Foster. The Pups are 13 points away from being 10-0 while playing in the FED league and an out of conference schedule including Cardinal Mooney, Massillon, and Huber Heights Wayne.

The BIG Catholic schools have college size O-lines and most of their back-up's would be as big as anyones in NWOhio. Heck, both Iggy and X have over 1,100 boys grades 10-12 while Whitmer is at 839. And that difference is deceiving when you consider that the Catholic school kids are paying $10,000 a year, which means overall better kids (overall stressed). A public school like Ross and Whitmer has roughly 20% of boys eliminated right off the top due to outside circumstances. Both Iggy and X have over 100 boys out for freshman ball. Imagine working with those kind of numbers? I remember playin Iggy back in the 90's when they were #1 in the country and their entire starting line-up went on to play college ball (Boston College, Purdue, OSU, PSU, Kent State, YSU, Toledo, BGSU, and several D-II/D-III mixed in). Thats nuts.

With all this said, you need some luck along the way.
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 Posted November 5th, 2011 12:29 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Great post irish. I havent seen all of the top DI teams and I am not going to say I have. From what I have seen this Whitmer team can play with any of them and beat any of them. Perhaps the irish_buffalo can bring them a little luck. I didnt know Ireland had buffalo on the island. Interesting handle. I hope you guys can win the whole thing. How long has it been since a Toledo area team has won DI state?
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 Posted November 5th, 2011 12:32 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Thankfully Irish gets it.

Whitmer is great, but lets not forget about Iggy, X, Moeller, etc...

In fact, I don't have Whitmer winning it all. Though I do think they are capable.
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 Posted November 5th, 2011 01:31 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
No doubt you have to beat some great teams to win a Division I state championship. From watching them and seeing some of the other schools I think they have as good a shot as anyone. Here is where their problem could lie: the competition in the other metro areas is typically stronger than Toledo. The schedule the schools you mention have is just a meat grinder. How many times has Whitmer really been tested by a team with equal talent or even better talent? How will they respond when their in that situation? Is there coaching staff as experienced as a guy like Chuck Kyle? You just never know until the time arrives. The big Cleveland schools are in that type of situation nearly every week. If I am off base please feel free to correct me. I admit I am not educated on Whitmer football and really havent followed DI football this year. I got the chance to see them on tape and wanted to compliment the program on their board. I mean no disrespect. Good luck and like I said I hope you win the whole thing.
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 Posted November 5th, 2011 01:43 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
No, you're not off base.

Toledo football just isn't as good annually as Cleveland, Cincy, and Columbus is.

Whitmer didn't play a team like St Eds or Iggy. Their toughest opponent may have been Findlay, who is good, but no where near the level of the aforementioned teams.

I mean, Whitmer played two Canadian teams.

Again, I'm not taking anything away from Whitmer. They are definitely capable of winning a title. I just don't think they will.

They should make a deep run though. Maybe even Final Four.
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 Posted November 9th, 2011 12:13 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I'll tell you right now evryone in NWOhio that has seen Whitmer play always talks about how BIG and fast they are. Well, they are, but if you've seen the other roughly top D-I teams in the state you'd say the same about them.

As I stated earlier, this Canton McKinley team is BIGGER than the Panthers. I believe their o-line averages 270 and both tackles are 6'5 and 6'6 respectively. Their QB is 6'3 185 and was the FED league player of the year for a reason and their starting RB is talented at 5'11 201 (Senior - ran for 1200 yards) but thier back-up Glover (Freshman 5'11 165, yes I said freshman, is unreal good - think Jody Webb fast). The Pups defensive line averages about 265 and their two ends are D-I caliber in Pittman (6'5 262, MSU signee) and the junior Miles (6'3 245).

Can Whitmer win? Sure they can. But this game could be out of reach either way or close at the same time. Regardless it will not be easy for either team.

Capable is one thing, but too many folks from NWOhio have no idea what true big boy football entails.

Go Panthers!
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 Posted November 9th, 2011 12:14 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I'll tell you right now evryone in NWOhio that has seen Whitmer play always talks about how BIG and fast they are. Well, they are, but if you've seen the other roughly top D-I teams in the state you'd say the same about them.

As I stated earlier, this Canton McKinley team is BIGGER than the Panthers. I believe their o-line averages 270 and both tackles are 6'5 and 6'6 respectively. Their QB is 6'3 185 and was the FED league player of the year for a reason and their starting RB is talented at 5'11 201 (Senior - ran for 1200 yards) but thier back-up Glover (Freshman 5'11 165, yes I said freshman, is unreal good - think Jody Webb fast). The Pups defensive line averages about 265 and their two ends are D-I caliber in Pittman (6'5 262, MSU signee) and the junior Miles (6'3 245).

Can Whitmer win? Sure they can. But this game could be out of reach either way or close at the same time. Regardless it will not be easy for either team.

Capable is one thing, but too many folks from NWOhio have no idea what true big boy football entails.

Go Panthers!
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 Posted November 9th, 2011 01:37 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
irish I watched a few of the big DI teams this year as many of them have been on TV and from what I have seen this Whitmer team is as good if not better than every one of them. When they take the field this week they need to come out with the mind set that they are going to win the game. Not compete, not play hard, but win the game. I wish you well this week and I am pulling for you.
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 Posted November 9th, 2011 11:35 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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I'll tell you right now evryone in NWOhio that has seen Whitmer play always talks about how BIG and fast they are. Well, they are, but if you've seen the other roughly top D-I teams in the state you'd say the same about them.

As I stated earlier, this Canton McKinley team is BIGGER than the Panthers. I believe their o-line averages 270 and both tackles are 6'5 and 6'6 respectively. Their QB is 6'3 185 and was the FED league player of the year for a reason and their starting RB is talented at 5'11 201 (Senior - ran for 1200 yards) but thier back-up Glover (Freshman 5'11 165, yes I said freshman, is unreal good - think Jody Webb fast). The Pups defensive line averages about 265 and their two ends are D-I caliber in Pittman (6'5 262, MSU signee) and the junior Miles (6'3 245).

Can Whitmer win? Sure they can. But this game could be out of reach either way or close at the same time. Regardless it will not be easy for either team.

Capable is one thing, but too many folks from NWOhio have no idea what true big boy football entails.

Go Panthers!


I appreciate your Lou Holtz speech, but I assure you that Whitmer is heads and tails better than this McKinley team. I say that because I have seen McKinley in person more than I have seen Whitmer play this year. McKinley's line isn't any bigger than what has been seen in the TRAC this year. The best player on the team is Pittman. 2nd best may be that Freshman you speak of. #27, the other kid going to Michigan St, I wasn't really impressed with on defense.

Southview beat themselves in the 2nd half. By no means am I a Southview homer, just an observation I made. McKinley really struggles on defense with motion and misdirection plays, which HUGELY favors Whitmer. Southview was doing this and doing it well in the first half. Gant was catching wide open passes without a defender within 15 yards of him. What does Southview do 2nd half? They come out in some crap version of the wing-t and try to run the football. Their offense stalls and they lose momentum, later they throw an INT and lost the game right there.

McKinley has no love loss for Ron Johnson and his coaching staff. After seeing it in action a few times I can see why. Whitmer will win this game because of superior coaching.
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Boy I hope you're right...



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