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PRIME pupa Posts: 392 Registered: Jul 2007  Posted March 27th, 2008 05:48 PM   IP              Wow! Talk about moving and shaking...Anyways, I'd like to introduce 808 Urban to this forum. Basically, it's a non-profit acting as a platform for writers like yourselves who are serious to take it to the next level...whether it be silkscreen, airbrush, canvas, or whatever...We're here to help you. We've also included a private art forum http://808urban.proboards92.com/v45index.cgi? Hope to see you guys on this forum too. I'd also like to introduce you guys to our Junior Board members: MELCK-President and STYLES -V.P.. Secretary is STORM of AR. These are the faces of 808Urban's future. You'll be seeing these guys around a lot. If anyone wants more info on this feel free to hit MELCK or myself up at anytime. We hope to get more support as we go along... Mahalos Design Madness!
Yeee Yeee egg Posts: 71 Registered: Feb 2008  Posted March 27th, 2008 06:55 PM   IP              all hail melk haha nah nah mean mean Reaper AVKids
lofa Flight Ready Posts: 3935 Registered: Jan 2004  Posted March 27th, 2008 09:03 PM   IP              here's a question. I gotta ask. AND I MEAN NO DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY. But does being a Junior Board member(or any other type of member for that matter) mean you gotta not bomb illegally anymore(or retire your old name)? Im just asking to clear the air. I'm all about the platform 808Urban has but the whole legal/illegal thing confuses me. im predicting some hate and ridicule to follow this post but its all good. And lets end the whole Lofa aint a writer issue before it starts. Im not. But i got more love for graff then some of these so called "writers" so whatevers.
katchkillah flight ready Posts: 1850 Registered: Jun 2005  Posted March 27th, 2008 09:28 PM   IP              hey prime i had to resize my cover for my book and well it's a collage of some of the peeps back in the 80's do you have a scan of your tag back then? not a recent one, but an authentic 80's tag? since you never hit up books back then. or if you got other peeps tags i can represent on the cover that'll be cool. oh yeah quest you too, but i like one old school tag not your recent one. Get your copy of Aych Kay Volume 1 featuring Katch1 www.iamhawaii.com.store/katch1 or just pm me and we can meet.
lkev pupa Posts: 337 Registered: Apr 2006  Posted March 27th, 2008 10:51 PM   IP              For big Lof..i had a discussion with bada prime about it and pretty much whoever hops in on 808urban gets their past record cleaned and gets legal wall opportunites up the wazoo!!..prime got alot of good things lined up for those who want to take advantage..hes alway going to teach people how to use art as a business tool and make $$$..i agree with you though big lof, alot of hate is gonna come..i for one am down to support him but not give up my illegality..the day before my court date i have from doing freeway signs, post offices, freeway rollers, and other crazy shit like spyer i may have to join up though!!
lofa Flight Ready Posts: 3935 Registered: Jan 2004  Posted March 27th, 2008 11:05 PM   IP              word. but the hate will be towards me, not 808urban. That sounds good and all getting paid for your skills but like you said its giving up your illegality. That would mean that my homie Melk(NOT DISSING! YOU GOT MAD SKILLS! JUST USING YOU AS THE EXAMPLE) would have to either not bomb all together or write a new name to bomb and "Melk" would have to go legal. That's why i wanted an explanation to clear things up. I bet a lot of other people including writers would love to be down as soon as they know what its all about.
Krazy flight ready Posts: 836 Registered: Dec 2006  Posted March 28th, 2008 03:50 AM   IP              yea id be down but i gotta know exactly what im getting myself into because i still love to hit up places and go out bombing once in a great while..and free legit walls???? c'mon who wouldnt pass that up? HAWAIIAN
GRAFZILLA egg - Ladies Man Posts: 1789 Registered: Jul 2006  Posted March 28th, 2008 03:51 AM   IP              the takeover mother nature's monster
lkev pupa Posts: 337 Registered: Apr 2006  Posted March 28th, 2008 04:14 AM   IP              Lofa you should join and you could finaly do your roller bomb you always wanted to do! lol
PRIME pupa Posts: 392 Registered: Jul 2007  Posted March 28th, 2008 04:41 AM   IP              lol...Mahalo Lofa First of all, 808 Urban is backed by GOD. I had a long talk with Him before all of this started. Next, it is true. In order to be a part of this, you have to hang up the name. It'll be on your membership paperwork. It is this paperwork that will be the key to getting support and funding. It is the proof that the writers truly back this program therefore "they" should listen. That's when we start making the calls and here's a few things I'm asking for: 1. an Art Park(not just a place to paint on walls) featuring Graff classes-Silkscreening-Airbrushing-Digital Media-Animation-Photography... 2. Legal Ditches 3. Legal private and commercial walls 4. Urban TV Show featuring Hawaii's writers, MCs, DJs on OC16 You get the idea...in order for me to look like I know what I'm talking about, I need the writers to back me...that's why they need to see the paperwork. I'm also working on a petition by the parents of these kids I take in, just in case I don't get the turnout I'm hoping for, I know the parents will back me. This membership also allows me to lawfully protect everyone within the org from any past doings. Yes, a clean slate from point of enrollment. Anything found after you become legal can be used against you and worst of all could jeopardize 808urban. That's why, if your not 100% sure then you shouldn't join cause you might just f@c!# things up. As long as I'm here, I'm definitely going to make a difference and not just talk about it. As most of you remember, it was a concept that wasn't taken well. Now, we're in the "action" phase and everyone is starting to see change. I'm expecting criticism from both sides, and I see it this way, if it's for the betterment of all writers now and future, then it's worth the effort. We're here to support you, ALL of you, and if things go well great, if things don't then we can all go back to the same ol same ol. Design Madness!
d3vour flight ready Posts: 716 Registered: Aug 2007  Posted March 28th, 2008 06:54 AM   IP              president milk hit me up about thisssssss
newkon flight ready Posts: 787 Registered: Apr 2006  Posted March 28th, 2008 02:48 PM   IP              I like what Prime is doing! I think each person has their own agenda and will naturally have their own opinion. no mater what it might be. Positive or negative they will have an opinion. Bottom line is that Prime has taken a stand and is making a difference and that is more than most of us will ever do in this game. I'm sure he knows that he's painted a target on his back and I respect him for that! Do what you do brother! As of right now I have to agree a lot on what Lofa said... I think that Lofa is one of the few- that is man enough to ask what he wants to know, instead of just talking shit. what it comes down to is the unknow and that's man kinds biggest fear "the unknown." I think once everything is clear and in black and white and thanks Prime for clearing it up, then everyone can decide what best fits them. from a positive side - erasing your record, free legal walls, painting with so many heads, opputrunities, training, exposure... the list is endless. from a negative side - I could see it harder to get into a graffiti crew. Athough technically majority of the people associate graffiti with vandalism, its not really the case. graffiti actually derives from the word graphein, graphein means to write. Its just society that has stereotyped it and put it in the vandalism category. With that said hip hop and the graffiti society rides that to make it legit, therefor most heads will just consider the legal people as artist and not graffiti artist. And if your not viewed as a graffiti artist, then I could see the challenges in getting into many crews. Crews want ups and that what it comes down to. I just hope with all this change that lines wont be drawn, homies will remain homies, and no one will view there way as the better way. holla NEWKON --------------- DEFCOMFOUR POCKETFULLOFMONSTERS
Yeee Yeee egg Posts: 71 Registered: Feb 2008  Posted March 28th, 2008 04:04 PM   IP              hmm im down for this sounds great melk hit me up or prime i wanna know more bout this .reapah. Reaper AVKids
GRAFZILLA egg - Ladies Man Posts: 1789 Registered: Jul 2006  Posted March 28th, 2008 08:07 PM   IP              i support prime mother nature's monster
PRIME pupa Posts: 392 Registered: Jul 2007  Posted March 28th, 2008 11:54 PM   IP              Mahalos for the feedback guys. I really appreciate it and no be skead, you guys can talk bad about em too. I take it constructively and hardly ever get offended because I believe honesty IS the best policy. Newkon touched on some good points and I agree, yes, this just may affect your crew or make it hard for you to crew up with someone. In my opinion, sometimes crews weigh you down(especially if you're as ambitious as I am!lol) I've been in crews and gangs and hardly got anything out of it except a life lesson. This is an organization who's downside will be no illegals and some of you will see it as a bad thing. Cool. The other point I'd like to make is that this does not steer away from it's roots but rather elevate it. This is Aerosol Art. Which simply means, a more technical side of graff. I understand the word and origin of graffiti clearly, so can anyone tell me where it says it should be illegal for it to be considered graffiti or graffito? I think that's where people are drawn to the artform is the illegal part which has nothing to do with the meaning of Graff. To me, it just means they don't know how to do it legally... just got word from James over at 2gruvz that anyone who is a member of 808Urban gets a dollar off his paints...Mahaloz for the support James. See, things are happening already! Have a great day guys... Design Madness!
PRIME pupa Posts: 392 Registered: Jul 2007  Posted March 28th, 2008 11:55 PM   IP              I talk too long... Design Madness!
Krazy flight ready Posts: 836 Registered: Dec 2006  Posted March 29th, 2008 12:41 AM   IP              but what if a writer thats down with 808urban goes and paints in a ditch with another name? would you kick that person out just because of it?? HAWAIIAN
MELK MAN flight ready Posts: 1017 Registered: Sep 2006  Posted March 29th, 2008 12:45 AM   IP              For example: If krazy wanted to sign on with 808urban, he would have to hang up the name "krazy". No illegal pieces, bombs, tags and etc from that point of time you sign on. Although your alter-ego as Krazy would become legal, also meaning whatever the police have on you will become clean, what ever you do besides that name is out of our hands.
Krazy flight ready Posts: 836 Registered: Dec 2006  Posted March 29th, 2008 12:49 AM   IP              right on..hmmmm maybe gotta put my thinking cap on...do they supply the paint for you to do the pieces or do you have to buy your own paint HAWAIIAN
MELK MAN flight ready Posts: 1017 Registered: Sep 2006  Posted March 29th, 2008 01:14 AM   IP              I think Prime should answer that one.
PRIME pupa Posts: 392 Registered: Jul 2007  Posted March 29th, 2008 01:47 AM   IP              Depending on the gig. Right now, I got an airport gig going on and they are paying for the paint. Awesome! Like the Prez said, whatever you do outside of 808Urban is all you. Design Madness!
MELK MAN flight ready Posts: 1017 Registered: Sep 2006  Posted March 29th, 2008 01:57 AM   IP              Also if your not 100% sure that you could keep your name "legal". Dont sign on because you may mess everything up for everyone.
PRIME pupa Posts: 392 Registered: Jul 2007  Posted March 29th, 2008 02:02 AM   IP              True Spider, it would have been so easy for me to claim the fame for myself, but that's not what it's about. The focus is on getting the public to appreciate it once again like how I remember it back then. HPD DOES keep a file on writers who do private property because a complaint is filed with them. They also "build" profiles for guys in the ditches to get a feel of the "TREND". They need this as a database for future reference. I've done my research on this and found many interesting things about how they are approaching this. That's why a lot of plain clothe officers are in the ditches, to collect data and report it. With 808urban in the picture it relieves them of all this unnecessary stress and they will be more than happy to support the cause. That way the department can focus on more important issues like REAL crime.lol... Design Madness!
newkon flight ready Posts: 787 Registered: Apr 2006  Posted March 29th, 2008 02:49 AM   IP              I dont see how hanging up your old name to be apart of 808 and creating and alter ego will do any good. I think it defeats the purpose of what Prime is trying to do. It wouldbe a black eye to the whole project. Bottom line is yea you hung up the name but if you get caught then what? Im sure the 808 thing will beheave in the public eye and police and people connected to the program will know faces. Once arrested and the face is connected to Prime... I think you just fucked the whole thing up! Could be wrong but then again.... NEWKON --------------- DEFCOMFOUR POCKETFULLOFMONSTERS
MELK MAN flight ready Posts: 1017 Registered: Sep 2006  Posted March 29th, 2008 03:37 AM   IP              If who ever gets down with 808urban and is loyal and active im pretty sure they will get into the habit of becoming smarter and making the right choices when it comes to illegal activity. Ill let prime touch up more on it..
Krazy flight ready Posts: 836 Registered: Dec 2006  Posted March 29th, 2008 03:41 AM   IP              so how does MSK get away with it...i mean they do legals and go bombing wouldnt laws in cali be more harsh then down here? idk trust me they got folders on us haha i seen my old one HAWAIIAN
MELK MAN flight ready Posts: 1017 Registered: Sep 2006  Posted March 29th, 2008 03:48 AM   IP              thats a good question
PRIME pupa Posts: 392 Registered: Jul 2007  Posted March 29th, 2008 06:24 AM   IP              Yes, MSK does do both and yes they do have people on the payroll. MONEY is the key factor here. I don't know Cali's laws but I do know Hawaii's and it all depends on the officer. I notice today's scene has lost many of those officers who are fans of the art cause they see more trash than art. We can change that though. It would be ideal to do both legal and illegal, but remember, you live Hawaii and da locals take things more personal than mainland. This island is too small for you to go unnoticed once in the spotlight. We believe that the more of us doing the artistic stuff, the more positive the reaction to the scene bringing more opportunity for all, and not just us at 808 urban. Honestly, creating an alter ego does defeat the whole purpose. Both Ways. First of all, You don't get to do your name. Secondly, the name you hit up doesn't feel the same as your original name. That's why, if you can't go 100%, then don't go at all cause you could jeopardize the whole program. The mainland has way more opportunity than here, that's why many of our talented writers left. It's just easier. I personally see an open market where as the mainland is saturated...artists are dime a dozen up there, but who do we have here? I believe it's time to rep your HI and stop looking at LA for guidance, look around you and realize we are unique. (Edited by PRIME) Design Madness!
GRAFZILLA egg - Ladies Man Posts: 1789 Registered: Jul 2006  Posted March 29th, 2008 01:36 PM   IP              personally, i think its funny that anybody would have negative anything about this... if they join or not.. its dont by choice.. some people see the vision, some people dont. not all of us are artists..lol mother nature's monster
PRIME pupa Posts: 392 Registered: Jul 2007  Posted March 29th, 2008 02:56 PM   IP              LOL Design Madness!
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