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| Latest posts | BenOnTen
12-10-2010 14:42 | Soaring concert ticket prices are nothing new here in the US.
Most major concerts nationwide and even some smaller venues are controlled by one corporate entertainment behemoth (Ticketmaster)
I'm no good at dollar to pound conversions, but every ticket price is also padded with "convienence charges".
Want to have your ticket mailed to you? Be prepared to get bent over the sink, buddy!
Apparently it costs about the same in "handling" fees to mail a paper ticket as it does to mail a crate full of bricks!
And they have the whole game rigged so that even if you go to the venue box office to buy your ticket, you still get hit with extra fees. There is no such thing as a "face value" ticket anymore.
Most people I know end up going to the "secondary market" online..(Do you guys have StubHub over there?)
Basically its a legal grey area that allows you to get "pre-bought" tickets for closer to actual face value or less..It ain't perfect, but its the only way to sidestep the major ticket retailers.
Me? I've just been going to small independent clubs more to see lesser known bands. | swansea jack
25-08-2010 14:19 | got two tickets for the O2 in drizzle today and paid over £8 in charges!!!!! what the fuck | LAST BANDIT
06-07-2010 16:47 | Quote:
Johnny H wrote:
Mr Bandit I just knew you'd reply ;-)
Thanks for your honest and insightful reply as always.
I do think you guys are one of the better ones out there doing it a bit more on the level.
I still try and book through the venues or from record shop selling tickets whereever I can. Motorhead tickets direct from Colston Hall only carries a £1 admin charge and that included postage....
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Yeah , some of the larger ones fees are ridiculous, especially the £2.50 charge to collect your own tickets on the night - scandalous
we don;t even charge postage unless it's a standing ticket - no choice then though!
| Johnny H
06-07-2010 12:13 | Quote:
LAST BANDIT wrote:
I kind of agrre with you mate on most levels, I too am a member and a very proud one.
The VAT reduction was only passed onto customers by a couple of promoters when it was reduced, the guys behind Green Day and Muse at Wembley being one of them
Pretty much all promoters will be adding 2.5% onto all ticket prices as soon as January comes, that is a fact.
Booking fee's, the national average is 12.5 per cent of the ticket price now, which I agree is high , but is also never ever going to change as ticket agents do have there own costs , I guess you just have to look for the best deal
Every show I have onsale anywhere will have a place where you can buy the tickets at face value, we always do this to proivide an option.
the other thing is that you will find a lot of the booking fee is now paid to the promoter as a "kick back" for being allowed to sell the tickets, which again hikes up the booking fee - again something we do not do !!
I agree though that the original artist must be protected , this is the most important thing
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Mr Bandit I just knew you'd reply ;-)
Thanks for your honest and insightful reply as always.
I do think you guys are one of the better ones out there doing it a bit more on the level.
I still try and book through the venues or from record shop selling tickets whereever I can. Motorhead tickets direct from Colston Hall only carries a £1 admin charge and that included postage.... | LAST BANDIT
06-07-2010 09:58 | Quote:
Johnny H wrote:
Being a PRS member I have to say I'm all for this....What however doesn't get revealed in this article and hence it seems to bias the feature towards the poor promoters is how much PROFIT Mr Benn and his cohorts made last year.
When you look at say Download declaring 100,000 people through the gates this year at aorund £170 a pop. It doesn't take a genius to work out that is circa £17m in revenues...With the associated booking fees that get clammoured back as operating costs, as well as cuts in merchandisng revenues and vendors stalls etc, the organisers will hardly come out of events of this scale short of pocket.
From what I see this is simply PRS protecting its members interests in an ever changing musical environment.
My question would be why the fuss over this and not obscene fucking booking fees....Oh and while I'm at it since when have tickets themselves been VATable, if they are/were how come the VAT reduction wasn't passed on to us punters????
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I kind of agrre with you mate on most levels, I too am a member and a very proud one.
The VAT reduction was only passed onto customers by a couple of promoters when it was reduced, the guys behind Green Day and Muse at Wembley being one of them
Pretty much all promoters will be adding 2.5% onto all ticket prices as soon as January comes, that is a fact.
Booking fee's, the national average is 12.5 per cent of the ticket price now, which I agree is high , but is also never ever going to change as ticket agents do have there own costs , I guess you just have to look for the best deal
Every show I have onsale anywhere will have a place where you can buy the tickets at face value, we always do this to proivide an option.
the other thing is that you will find a lot of the booking fee is now paid to the promoter as a "kick back" for being allowed to sell the tickets, which again hikes up the booking fee - again something we do not do !!
I agree though that the original artist must be protected , this is the most important thing
| Johnny H
06-07-2010 09:42 | Being a PRS member I have to say I'm all for this....What however doesn't get revealed in this article and hence it seems to bias the feature towards the poor promoters is how much PROFIT Mr Benn and his cohorts made last year.
When you look at say Download declaring 100,000 people through the gates this year at aorund £170 a pop. It doesn't take a genius to work out that is circa £17m in revenues...With the associated booking fees that get clammoured back as operating costs, as well as cuts in merchandisng revenues and vendors stalls etc, the organisers will hardly come out of events of this scale short of pocket.
From what I see this is simply PRS protecting its members interests in an ever changing musical environment.
My question would be why the fuss over this and not obscene fucking booking fees....Oh and while I'm at it since when have tickets themselves been VATable, if they are/were how come the VAT reduction wasn't passed on to us punters???? | Gaz E.
06-07-2010 07:09 | Concert and festival promoters have warned that ticket prices could go up as songwriters consider requesting a greater share of live music takings.
Currently, 3% of all gig ticket money goes to PRS For Music, which passes it on to writers and composers.
It is reviewing that rate, saying it needs to ensure a "fair balance" between music fans and creators.
Melvin Benn, who runs the Reading, Leeds and Latitude festivals, described it as "blatant money-grabbing".
With VAT also rising by 2.5%, Mr Benn, who runs Festival Republic, said the cost of an average festival ticket would go up by about £10.
Songwriters are already benefiting from the live music scene because attendances and ticket prices have gone up so much in recent years, he argued.
UK fans spent £1.45bn on gigs and festivals in 2009, compared with less than £1bn in 2004.
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Tickets next year are going to be more expensive because of these unnecessary increases
Stuart Littlewood
Concert Promoters Association
"The quantum leap in what the PRS are being paid by live music promoters is very, very substantial compared to what it was 10 years ago," Mr Benn told BBC News.
"Live music is so much stronger than it was, and therefore the receipts the PRS are getting are substantially more than they were.
"Instead of being pleased with that and wanting to work with us, they want to punish us and just take more. The reality is that will only result in additional costs to the ticket-buyer and that's killing the goose that laid the golden egg."
PRS For Music has opened a consultation on the fee, which was last set in 1988, and has not revealed its preferred rate for the future.
It may introduce tiered rates, with bigger events paying more, and attempt to introduce a levy on secondary ticket agents and booking fees. It may also bring in a different fee for mixed arts festivals, where music is one of many attractions.
Stuart Littlewood, chairman of the Concert Promoters Association, said: "We don't yet know what they're asking for but any increase would be most unwelcome.
"At the end of the day, it's the public who would be paying because the promoters would have to pass the increase on to the public.
"We're already going to have to pass the VAT increase on. So tickets next year are going to be more expensive than they are this year because of these unnecessary increases."
PRS For Music's Debbie Mulloy said: "It's been over 20 years since we last reviewed this tariff and it's part of a general review of all our tariffs.
"This is one sector where there have been massive amounts of change and we felt a good review was required to make sure everything was still fair and reasonable."
The rate would not necessarily increase, she said. "There's no foregone conclusion here. It's not as simple as saying we want the rate to be higher. There are a number of things we have to assess."
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