| November 23rd, 2010 05:35 PM |
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| redskinfan04 |
Spielman is still on my naughty list but he took a huge step towards being off that list with this comment today.
"There are many reasons for it, said Spielman.
"It's a combination of poor recruiting, in my opinion? I think [Lloyd] Carr, to be perfectly honest, left the cupboard bare in his last few years," he said. "I don't think they recruited the talent because you look at the upperclassmen that they have. They're all great kids. I had a chance to meet with a bunch of them. They practice hard, they play hard, and they're tough, but it comes down to one thing when you're talking about playing at a high level like Michigan is used to playing at, and that's talent. And they have zero on defense. One kid, the [Mike] Martin kid. Other than that, a lot of guys would be nice little subs at Indiana."
Golly hasnt redskinfan been trying to say this for months now? Ole Spielman must have gone just as mad as redskin.
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| November 24th, 2010 03:42 AM |
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| Brutus149 |
Rich Rod is a great coach for Michigan or any school for the record, any school is lucky to have him. He has been unfairly targeted by haters. And the attacks by haters will make Michigan the lucky school to keep him, as other programs and pro teams will ignore his greatness and not offer him contracts to coach there. |
| November 24th, 2010 04:41 AM |
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| Vogel |
Who got Ryan Mallet?
Who ran off Ryan Mallet?
Who got Steven Threat?
Who ran off Steven Threat?
Rich Rod made his own bed. His arena football philosophy is not getting it done. You can only blame that on him.
Your boy Rich Rod wants DR. You know the guy that gets injured every game (you know how everyone with a brain told you he would at the beginning of the season).
3-3-5 - It will NEVER work, even your NEW boy Spielman said so doing the game Saturday.
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| November 24th, 2010 09:42 AM |
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| sportsjock |
After reading these delusional testimonials on the 'greatness' of Richie Rodriguez, makes me want to gag and reach for my hip boots.
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| November 24th, 2010 09:59 AM |
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| Vogel |
Quote:
redskinfan04 wrote:
And they have zero on defense.
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And whose fault is that, it's year 3 at Michigan. They should be juniors now. :rofl:
Jim Tressel = won it all in year #2
Urban Meyer = won it all in year #2
Bob Stoops = won it all in year #2
Les Miles = won it all in year #3
Nick Saban = won it all in year #3 - at Alabama
Nick Saban = won it all in year #4 - at LSU
Pete Carroll - won it all in year #4
- Auburn coach Gene Chizik is in his 2nd year at Auburn.
- Oregon coach Chip Kelly is in his 2nd year at Oregon.
- Boise St coach Chris Petersen went 13-0 and won a BCS bowl in year #1, this is year #4 for him.
- TCU coach Gary Patterson went 10-2 in year #2 and 11-2 in year #3
Michigan stinks for the 3rd straight year under Rich Rod. Give it up, the guy is not cut out to make it in the Big Ten. |
| November 24th, 2010 10:02 AM |
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| redskinfan04 |
Quote:
Vogel wrote:
Who got Ryan Mallet?
Who ran off Ryan Mallet?
Who got Steven Threat?
Who ran off Steven Threat?
Rich Rod made his own bed. His arena football philosophy is not getting it done. You can only blame that on him.
Your boy Rich Rod wants DR. You know the guy that gets injured every game (you know how everyone with a brain told you he would at the beginning of the season).
3-3-5 - It will NEVER work, even your NEW boy Spielman said so doing the game Friday.
The 3-3-5 is like a prevent defense. All it does is prevent you from winning.
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We've been around and around on Mallet but seriously Threet? The same Steven Threet who was 3-9 at Michigan and is currently 4-6 at Arizona State? If we still had threet we'd probably be about 2-10.
Your right Rich Rod is clearly off his rocker to want a heisman trophy canidate like Denard Robinson. What the hell is he thinking?
Finally i'd just like to say that for the allmighty "vogel" you sure do a piss poor job of researching your claims. Michigan needs to run the rock and ditch this gimmick offense? That must be why Michigan leads the big 10 in rushing and total offense and are currently 10th in the nation in rushing yards per game and 5th in the nation in total offense. Michigan's doing all of this on offense without a stud RB, drop prone WR's and a sophomore QB.
Say what you want about our defense but the offense is just fine.
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| November 24th, 2010 10:07 AM |
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| BOOMerang |
Enough with the 'it's all lloyd's fault' please! RR has had time to restock tose cupboards and he hasn't done it.
Speilman missed the biggest reasons for the poor D..
1a scheme
1b injuries
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| November 24th, 2010 10:10 AM |
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| redskinfan04 |
Quote:
Vogel wrote:
And whose fault is that, it's year 3 at Michigan. They should be juniors now. :rofl:
Jim Tressel = won it all in year #2
Urban Meyer = won it all in year #2
Bob Stoops = won it all in year #2
Les Miles = won it all in year #3
Nick Saban = won it all in year #3 - at Alabama
Nick Saban = won it all in year #4 - at LSU
Pete Carroll - won it all in year #4
- Auburn coach Gene Chizik is in his 2nd year at Auburn.
- Oregon coach Chip Kelly is in his 2nd year at Oregon.
- Boise St coach Chris Petersen went 13-0 and won a BCS bowl in year #1, this is year #4 for him.
- TCU coach Gary Patterson went 10-2 in year #2 and 11-2 in year #3
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You are missing something VERY important in this equation Vogel. Those coaches who had success in years 2 and 3 did so because they inherited talent from the previous coaching staff. Tressel won that national title with Cooper's players and hasnt been able to win another one with his own.
Also Rich Rod's recruits are Sophomore's or RS FR right now NOT juniors. Rich Rod only added a handful of players to the 08 class. |
| November 24th, 2010 10:14 AM |
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| redskinfan04 |
Quote:
BOOMerang wrote:
Enough with the 'it's all lloyd's fault' please! RR has had time to restock tose cupboards and he hasn't done it.
Speilman missed the biggest reasons for the poor D..
1a scheme
1b injuries
4 Talent
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Are two recruiting classes enough to restock the talent level at a big time school? Especially when you cannot take JUCO players at Michigan? I really do not think so myself.
I agree with the scheme arguments and think RR needs to go myself. However this mess is not all his fault and those who seek to blame him for everything take a very simplistic view of the situation. |
| November 24th, 2010 02:22 PM |
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| sportsjock |
Do you seriously think Lloyd Carr teams would have fared as poorly as the Richie Rodriguez teams of the past three seasons?
Same players, same team, much different results IMO.
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| November 24th, 2010 03:36 PM |
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| Vogel |
Quote:
redskinfan04 wrote:
You are missing something VERY important in this equation Vogel. Those coaches who had success in years 2 and 3 did so because they inherited talent from the previous coaching staff.
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:rofl:
:rofl:
:rofl:
Oklahoma
1994 - 6-6
1995 - 5-5-1
1996 - 3-8
1997 - 4-8
1998 - 5-6
Bob Stoops takes over
1999 - 7-5
2000 - 13-0 - National Champs
2001 - 11-2
2002 - 12-2
2003 - 12-2
2004 - 12-1
Yep, Stoops inherited it all. Lucky guy
USC
1996 - 6-6
1997 - 6-5
1998 - 8-5
1999 - 7-5
2000 - 5-7
Peter Carroll takes over
2001 - 6-6
2002 - 11-2
2003 - 12-1
2004 - 11-0 - National Champs
Yep, Carroll inherited it all. Lucky guy
Alabama
2001/2002 last time they had back to back winning seasons
Nick Saban takes over in 2007
2007 - 6-6
2008 - 12-2
2009 - 14-0 - National Champs
LSU
1998 - 4-7
1999 - 3-8
Nick Saban takes over
2000 - 8-4
2001 - 10-3
2002 - 8-5
2003 - 13-1 - National Champs
Yep, Saban inherited it all. Lucky guy.
Michigan will blow in year #4 of RR too. The guy is not cut out for the Big Ten. He's cut out for the Big Least. |
| November 24th, 2010 03:40 PM |
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| Vogel |
These guys were all getting 10+ wins by year two, 2, duece, duex.
It's year 3 of RR and he still hasn't gotten to 10 and it's highly unlikely he gets 10 in year #4. Even a blind squirrel stumbles into a nut. Give RR 20 years, he'll stumble into a 10 win season. Congrats on now becoming the Northwestern of the Big Ten. They stumbled into a 10 win season in 1995 and just missed stumbling into one in 2008.
If Michigan wants to be Michigan and not Northwestern then RR is going to have to go. |
| November 24th, 2010 03:48 PM |
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| Vogel |
Michigan Football
1995 - 3rd in Big Ten - Carr
1996 - 5th in Big Ten - Carr
1997 - 1st in Big Ten - Carr
1998 - 1st in Big Ten - Carr
1999 - 2nd in Big Ten - Carr
2000 - 1st in Big Ten - Carr
2001 - 2nd in Big Ten - Carr
2002 - 3rd in Big Ten - Carr
2003 - 1st in Big Ten - Carr
2004 - 1st in Big Ten - Carr
2005 - 3rd in Big Ten - Carr
2006 - 2nd in Big Ten - Carr
2007 - 2nd in Big Ten - Carr
Then Carr leaves Ryan Mallet, Justin Boren and crew
RR runs off Mallet, Boren and crew
2008 - 9th in Big Ten - Rich Loser
2009 - 10th in Big Ten - Rich Loser
2010 - will be 7th or 8th - Rich Loser
Carr would have continued to produce Top 3 Big Ten squads. Rich Loser continues to make millions and Lose. |
| November 24th, 2010 04:38 PM |
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| NorCal |
I recall that during the 2001 season, Pete Carroll came under fire for publicly stating that he hadn't inherited much talent and that things would change once he had his recruits in place. |
| November 24th, 2010 05:25 PM |
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| ronburgandy |
Three guys on Around the Horn just now all said that win or lose Michigan needs to fire RR after the Ohio State game. |
| November 24th, 2010 06:05 PM |
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| sportsjock |
Quote:
redskinfan04 wrote:
You are missing something VERY important in this equation Vogel. Those coaches who had success in years 2 and 3 did so because they inherited talent from the previous coaching staff.
Quote:
redskinfan04 wrote:
Are two recruiting classes enough to restock the talent level at a big time school? Especially when you cannot take JUCO players at Michigan? I really do not think so myself.
I agree with the scheme arguments and think RR needs to go myself. However this mess is not all his fault and those who seek to blame him for everything take a very simplistic view of the situation.
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You know, I have been listening to this line of crap and B.S. that Lloyd left the cupboard bare.....yadi....yadi....
Problem is, the facts don't support your baseless and totally false contention!!!
The REAL truth is, most coaches would have continued the winning tradition with the talent Rodriguez inherited.
Let's look at reality and the facts as they were, shall we?
FINAL TEAM RECRUITING RANKINGS - (Scout)
2003
#8 Michigan
#25 Ohio State
#30 Iowa
#33 Purdue
#36 Wisconsin
#50 Penn State
#96 MSU
2004
#5 Michigan
#11 Ohio State
#12 Penn State
#13 MSU
#37 Wisconsin
#41 Iowa
2005
#2 Michigan
#7 Ohio State
#8 Iowa
#26 Purdue
#28 Penn State
#35 Wisconsin
#40 MSU
2006
#6 Penn State
#9 Michigan
#13 Ohio State
#37 Wisconsin
#40 Iowa
#43 MSU
2007
#10 Michigan
#16 Ohio State
#19 Penn State
#20 Illinois
#37 Iowa
#41 Wisconsin
2008
#4 Ohio State
#6 Michigan (Rodriguez 1st year)
#19 Illinois
#26 Wisconsin
#28 Minnesota
#41 Penn State
#44 Iowa
#56 MSU
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| November 24th, 2010 06:15 PM |
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| redskinfan04 |
It absolutely amazes me how blind some of you people are! How can any of you look at Michigans roster and then not notice that we have almost zero upperclass talent on the defensive side of the ball. If Chris Spielman can see this and admit this and place the blame where it belongs why the hell cant you guys?
In our jr, sr and RS Sr classes (Carrs responsability) we've got exactly one player who's a good player. You just cannot overcome that kind of talent dearth in your top classes and be competitive on that side of the ball. We also cannot take JUCO kid's like many other university's can. Consequently were left with kids who are not ready to play being forced to play in a scheme that suck's being coached by a lame duck defensive staff.
God we suck |
| November 24th, 2010 06:20 PM |
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| sportsjock |
-New post-
Quote:
redskinfan04 wrote:
You are missing something VERY important in this equation Vogel. Those coaches who had success in years 2 and 3 did so because they inherited talent from the previous coaching staff.
Quote:
redskinfan04 wrote:
Are two recruiting classes enough to restock the talent level at a big time school? Especially when you cannot take JUCO players at Michigan? I really do not think so myself.
I agree with the scheme arguments and think RR needs to go myself. However this mess is not all his fault and those who seek to blame him for everything take a very simplistic view of the situation.
You know, I have been listening to this line of crap and B.S. that Lloyd left the cupboard bare.....yadi....yadi....
Problem is, the facts don't support your baseless and totally false contention!!!
The REAL truth is, most coaches would have continued the winning tradition with the talent Rodriguez inherited.
Let's look at reality and the facts as they were, shall we?
FINAL TEAM RECRUITING RANKINGS - (Scout)
2003
#8 Michigan
#25 Ohio State
#30 Iowa
#33 Purdue
#36 Wisconsin
#50 Penn State
#96 MSU
2004
#5 Michigan
#11 Ohio State
#12 Penn State
#13 MSU
#37 Wisconsin
#41 Iowa
2005
#2 Michigan
#7 Ohio State
#8 Iowa
#26 Purdue
#28 Penn State
#35 Wisconsin
#40 MSU
2006
#6 Penn State
#9 Michigan
#13 Ohio State
#37 Wisconsin
#40 Iowa
#43 MSU
2007
#10 Michigan
#16 Ohio State
#19 Penn State
#20 Illinois
#37 Iowa
#41 Wisconsin
2008
#4 Ohio State
#6 Michigan (Rodriguez 1st year)
#19 Illinois
#26 Wisconsin
#28 Minnesota
#41 Penn State
#44 Iowa
#56 MSU
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| November 24th, 2010 06:30 PM |
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| Dr. Torch |
HEY
wtf did u say bad about Chris Spielman? |
| November 24th, 2010 06:36 PM |
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| redskinfan04 |
Sportsjock
Your a bright guy, take a look at Michigans classes and tell me where the talent on defense was? On paper it looks like it should be there but in reality Carr recruited a bunch of busts. |
| November 24th, 2010 06:57 PM |
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| sportsjock |
Redskinfan
Your a very bright guy as well, but you have faithfully parroted the Rodriguez line of excuses for his coaching failures.
Contrary to his b.s. that he has nothing to work with, I have exposed the fact that he has been given great recruiting classes year after year in all the years prior to his arrival, including his own recruiting class.
Lack of talent is not the problem, the blame is knocking on the door of the coaches office.
If this joker wrote on his resume, "it may take four years or more to produce a winner with my system", think he would have gotten the job?.
Excuses are for LOSERS.........
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