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Topie: Wednesday, February 2, 2011
February 2nd, 2011 09:39 AM
membar My FKOS sell stop is 31.00 today.

We got pummeled with snow here in the Midwest. I'm going back outside to shovel now. Dealing with three-foot snowdrifts.

Good luck to all today.
February 2nd, 2011 09:56 AM
888nyc888nyc I'm still in TNA from yesterday. Here's hoping the ride continues!
February 2nd, 2011 10:01 AM
Black Swan I have a sell at 77.12, but it's getting harder and harder to cross 77- guess too many sell orders? Will get out at 10.30 if it doesn't break it's back.
February 2nd, 2011 10:02 AM
Black Swan Out at 76.48.
February 2nd, 2011 10:09 AM
888nyc888nyc
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Black Swan wrote:
Out at 76.48.



LOL i got out at the same price...
February 2nd, 2011 10:17 AM
Black Swan LOL! Great scalpers think alike :P
Will be back in the afternoon. In TNA, 76.07 BTW.
Good luck everyone! Didn't trade for a week...
February 2nd, 2011 11:03 AM
membar
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Black Swan wrote:
LOL! Great scalpers think alike :P
Will be back in the afternoon. In TNA, 76.07 BTW.
Good luck everyone! Didn't trade for a week...

Welcome back. My Emma is in FAZ @ 8.17, but I expect to get shredded.
February 2nd, 2011 12:05 PM
andy0323 I hate sideways.
February 2nd, 2011 12:30 PM
next I'm in faz at 8.22, held last night and sold it this morning, back in again
and yeah, I don't feel good about it, but it's fitting with my rules
February 2nd, 2011 12:33 PM
membar
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next wrote:
I'm in faz at 8.22, held last night and sold it this morning, back in again
and yeah, I don't feel good about it, but it's fitting with my rules

Care to share those rules with us, or are they a secret :) ?
February 2nd, 2011 12:58 PM
next sure
it's simple,
what ever is up at 11:08 EST generally goes higher.
buy either faz or fas, which is up from open at 11:08
if you want to complicate it, try to buy it at the lowest it was since 10:30am
once you have it
place a 1.05% stop on it, and bet the world

if it's fas, sell it at 3pm, faz 3:30pm

almost never loses, and ever when you lose, not so much of a loss
February 2nd, 2011 01:01 PM
next What I have noticed, with fas/faz is certain patterns each day.
FAS is almost always going to rise from 12-1pm
FAZ between 3 and 3:30pm
FAS usually, but not always, will rise at 3:30-4pm, if, but only if it's been rising for the day
February 2nd, 2011 01:02 PM
next I don't feel good about it, but accordingly, faz is a great buy right now, sell it 3:30pm:)
February 2nd, 2011 01:06 PM
next and as with every system, some days, it looks awful:) like today:)
February 2nd, 2011 01:43 PM
wanlorn Well my Emma jumped in FAZ at 8.13 @ 10:03. The XLF Pivot 16.67 is providing strong resistance. 16.61 which is M between P and S1 (16.55) has been the low for today. I expect a test of M in the next 30 minutes. It will likely hold and XLF will end up closing around 16.63 or 16.64. Just a very sideways day for the most part.
February 2nd, 2011 01:54 PM
next I did well yesterday with fas, and ok overnight with faz, and so far, not lost much on faz for the day, so no complaints:)
February 2nd, 2011 02:01 PM
membar
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next wrote:
I did well yesterday with fas, and ok overnight with faz, and so far, not lost much on faz for the day, so no complaints:)

Thanks, next. The description of your system didn't describe overnight holds. Is that part of another strategy?
February 2nd, 2011 02:06 PM
next when fas or faz go down by 4% or more during a day, if you buy them at close, you can almost always pick up a 1% at open, just sell immediately and then reevaluate the day
February 2nd, 2011 02:16 PM
wanlorn I closed out my FAZ position at 8.21. Just shy of 1% for the day.
February 2nd, 2011 02:52 PM
andy0323 Finally... some MOVEMENT.
February 2nd, 2011 03:23 PM
allen314159 Finally FAZ is getting reverse splitted.

http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/02/828960/direxion-to-reverse-split-six-etfs

0.01 spread becomes a big deal at $8. Reverse split will hopefully decrease the spread, percentage-wise.
February 2nd, 2011 03:30 PM
andy0323 Even more movement. Is this your cue, Next? ;)
February 2nd, 2011 03:33 PM
membar
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allen314159 wrote:
Finally FAZ is getting reverse splitted.

http://www.benzinga.com/news/11/02/828960/direxion-to-reverse-split-six-etfs

0.01 spread becomes a big deal at $8. Reverse split will hopefully decrease the spread, percentage-wise.

It's about time. IB charges a commission based on the # of shares and I'm getting killed on FAZ commissions.
February 2nd, 2011 03:48 PM
soler My Fkos sell stop got hit at 31.02, the LOD and now has gone higher. ARGH!!! I'm using Allen's spreadsheet so did I paste the values wrong?
February 2nd, 2011 04:04 PM
membar
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soler wrote:
My Fkos sell stop got hit at 31.02, the LOD and now has gone higher. ARGH!!! I'm using Allen's spreadsheet so did I paste the values wrong?

Allen's calcs are slightly different than mine. 31.02 seems about right to me, though. I aborted my NT strategy in the last few minutes for because I saw the price approaching my stop and didn't want to rebuy a minute or two later.
February 2nd, 2011 04:07 PM
allen314159 Although this might seem paradoxical, FKOS has about an even number of up vs down days. (i.e., 50% up days and 50% down days)

FKOS wins out in the long run because the uppers beat the downers. But number %up days vs number of %down days is about even.

BTW, I calculated 31.04 using the spreadsheet.

I got stopped out at 31.05 and re-entered at 31.0599
February 2nd, 2011 04:08 PM
allen314159
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membar wrote:

Allen's calcs are slightly different than mine. 31.02 seems about right to me, though. I aborted my NT strategy in the last few minutes for because I saw the price approaching my stop and didn't want to rebuy a minute or two later.


In the end it's really a wash.

I don't expect the long-run statistics to exactly match the historically optimized peak.

But hopefully it's somewhere near there.
February 2nd, 2011 04:08 PM
membar
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allen314159 wrote:
FKOS wins out in the long run because the uppers beat the downers.

So it's like a drug trip with a happy ending?
February 2nd, 2011 04:11 PM
allen314159
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membar wrote:

So it's like a drug trip with a happy ending?


Kinda. Except every other day your stash is laced.
February 2nd, 2011 04:26 PM
membar
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Kinda. Except every other day your stash is laced.

This stuff has made me so braindead, that I hadn't noticed anyway.