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randomusertom
Friendly Mushroom!
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 Posted 04-15-08 08:08 PM IP   
i have a preorder ticket for Metal Gear Solid 4. And because gamestop rocks, no matter what anyone says, I also have a shiny new dvd of videos to tide me over and refresh me on the backstory. Woot!
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Eisenhorn
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Posted 04-16-08 09:41 AM IP
Story? In metal gear?
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randomusertom
Friendly Mushroom!
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Posted 04-16-08 10:13 AM IP
What Metal Gear series have you been playing?! I think the foxy one will back me up in saying theres all kinds of mysterious plots and such going on in these games. totally unbelievable plot, but still, plot.
and actually, a lot of the reasons they give for the alternate history in MGS are facts from our real history.
but i'm so totally buying it because its pretty.
because it is SO pretty.
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Mori X
That girl your parents don't want you to become
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Posted 04-16-08 12:47 PM IP
I haven't played MGS 1, but i got through 2, and i'm with eisen: Story!?
"I'm snake, my penis is huge and i'm mysterious" "I'm Raiden, i'm young and innocent, and i like to follow orders. LET'S SAVE THE PRESIDENT!!!"
The belief that religion is a requirement of morality stinks of sociopathy...
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Aurora_Alighieri
Mr. Glows in the Dark
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Posted 04-16-08 12:57 PM IP
nay sayers.
~Dante~
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randomusertom
Friendly Mushroom!
Posts: 1168
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Posted 04-16-08 12:58 PM IP
Two doesn't count. it was fairly lame, storywise. Play three. better controls, better story, if you can suspend disbelief long enough to play it...
speaking of... PJ still has my copy of that, unless he lost it when he moved, which I wouldnt doubt.
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Kitsu-kun
Part-Time Fox-Slave
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Posted 04-16-08 09:59 PM IP
*assassinates Eisen with a knife* ....sacreligious tard... *wipes the blood off onto his camo fatigues and adjusts his bandana* ...Yeah, you should play MGS 1, if not Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. There's plenty of story...MGS2 was simply a filler of sorts to better develop the characters.
Besides, even if you don't like the story, the gameplay of MGS4 should blow the minds of nearly everyone. (Before he somehow was controled by liquid's arm)
Besides, if you don't play the game for Snake, play it for Revolver Ocelot...the guy is frickin amazing. seriously. anyway... *smiles* you should watch the trailers even if you're not a fan. in my opinion, its the game that will accelerate the PS3 into greater success until Final Fantasy XIII comes out.
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Eisenhorn
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Posted 04-17-08 10:20 AM IP
Greater success? That really isn't saying much.........
And I totally sure that MGS4 is going to have fun gameplay but, I prefer Splinter Cell. I'm an AMURICAN, that way.
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Mori X
That girl your parents don't want you to become
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Posted 04-17-08 03:14 PM IP
Splinter Cell is a really well designed game. I don't like the plotlines because working for the government unquestioningly makes me sick to my stomach, but it's really a star in the crown of the stealth genre.
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randomusertom
Friendly Mushroom!
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Posted 04-17-08 03:35 PM IP
see, Snake works for the government and then comes to the uncomfortable realization that they've been tricking him all along.
way cooler.
though i will admit that until the third game, the controls are a bit less than intuitive.
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Eisenhorn
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Posted 04-17-08 03:46 PM IP
See Splinter Cell ouble Agent
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Mori X
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Posted 04-17-08 07:08 PM IP
Splinter cell is just a better designed game than MGS in general. The lockpicking, cryptography, the enemies' AI; basically all the features are more sophisticated.
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Kitsu-kun
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Posted 04-18-08 09:30 PM IP
But all in all Splinter Cell is a child of MGS :P seeing as how MG dates back to nintendo's roots ^^;
Naturally a game that made its debut on a next gen console is going to be 'better designed'.
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~I want to be by your side, even after death parts us.~
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Eisenhorn
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Posted 04-21-08 09:25 AM IP
It didn't DEBUT on "next-gen". Technically it started a whole freakin' system ago, 4 games ago.
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Mori X
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Posted 04-21-08 10:01 AM IP
I'm not captain savvy on the game system lingo, but i think the first splinter cell game was on the PS2 which counts as 'next gen' compared to 'nintendo roots' (which i assume is N64 or earlier), however, even though Metal Gear Solid was, no doubt, a pioneer in the stealth genre, i don't think a franchise should get a free pass just because its predecessor was involved in changing the industry. Case in point, Final Fantasy X2, sure, the early FF games reinvented the console RPG genre for all time, but that doesn't excuse a lame game. Splinter Cell is a really impressive franchise: Almost all of the tiles are programmed individually to generate more or less sound when touched (including things that hang from the ceiling such as rope, chain, pots and pans, or clothing on a line), the light is measured by saturation rather than by simple 'light' or 'dark' switches, the lockpicking is as realistic as you can get in a console environment, and, in general, it's a programming marvel in terms of finding surprisingly few places to criticise laughable divorce from reality (though, it's still pretty amusing that you can get shot in the head and survive). Metalgear 2 was fun, but relatively stale in that it didn't have anything to offer that i couldn't find in other stealth or action games.
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Aurora_Alighieri
Mr. Glows in the Dark
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Posted 04-21-08 11:41 AM IP
You might be interested to know Mori that a head shot is not actually a guaranteed kill. There is a small flipped up "triangle of death" that is from both eyes to the mouth but other than that area all other shots have the potential to be deflected from the rounded skull. So to effectively kill some one with a head shot you must reduce the size of your target are to this for the face or otherwise you run the risk of just hitting them. Still I would imagine that even being struck with a mere Biretta it would still be sufficient to shock a person severely but you can at least grant some credence to the game for that lack of mortality attached to the shot.
~Dante~
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Eisenhorn
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Posted 04-21-08 11:42 AM IP
By that logic yes it is "next-Gen", but it started on the XBOX not the PS2. It was originally an exclusive but it turned into something else.
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Kitsu-kun
Part-Time Fox-Slave
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Posted 04-21-08 04:57 PM IP
Naturally all games kinda converge when sony offers a better machine and better money.
~Kya-Kyon!!~
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randomusertom
Friendly Mushroom!
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Posted 04-21-08 05:28 PM IP
there really needs to be a better naming scheme for these console generations. from a nintendo-baby standpoint, I see anything after the PS1/N64/GameCube era as 'next-gen' though that title properly refers now to the PS3/360/Wii generation...
but compared to the release of even the first metal gear SOLID game, the first Splinter Cell game was next gen. and the first actual Metal Gear game is older than me, so if you go by that standard, splinter cell was past generation z and back around to double-b!
but MGS2 was rushed - look at it this way. MGS2 was built from the ground up within a year of the PS2 launch. the third game, which is much better, was a whole 3 years after that. and this fourth game, which already looks like it'll be leaps and bounds above the last, has been in development as basically the limit-pusher for the PS3 since the console was still in development (not too long after the 3rd game came out in '04).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console
this better explains a naming scheme for console generations.
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Eisenhorn
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Posted 04-21-08 06:52 PM IP
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Naturally all games kinda converge when sony offers a better machine and better money.
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The X-box was a better machine than the PS2. I'm not saying more powerful, just better.
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Aurora_Alighieri
Mr. Glows in the Dark
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Posted 04-21-08 10:48 PM IP
obviously you didn't buy a mexbox
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Kitsu-kun
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Posted 04-21-08 11:52 PM IP
I love how you simply said it was a better machine and didn't exactly expand on it...
Just curious, cause I really don't know your standpoint...how is an Xbox better than a Ps2? have you owned both? have you intimately probed each one for it's specs while playing? It's like saying Zune is better than Ipod, or a PSP is better than a Gameboy.
Where I come from... usually power to play and keep games at a comfortable speed and have a wide variety of games means the console is better than other consoles that don't.
I'm also not saying that Xbox completely sucks, even I like to shoot some people on Halo sometimes...And Splinter Cell is good... I just don't like hearing how everyone was spoiled with the new crap and refuse to play games like MGS because of "stupid plotlines" and "limited game control". Call me weird...but the difficutly of games as of late has been dimished greatly (besides FPS) and I believe that the difference between a "good" game and a "bad" game is simply the difficulty of the camera, controls and graphics. Don't get me wrong, when camera's suck...wow...yeah I get pissed. But if the controls or actions are limited, I find that challenging and fun.
In any case, judging from the entire perspective of this topic... no one save Megan and myself have played MGS, and MGS 3: Snake Eater. Only MGS2, and quite frankly you all should know better than to judge predeceors by their immediate sequel, movie or game. Like Mori said... FFX-2 is a prime example.
~Kya-Kyon!!~
~I want to be by your side, even after death parts us.~
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Aurora_Alighieri
Mr. Glows in the Dark
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Posted 04-22-08 12:09 AM IP
I have proudly played all three I'll have you know! Just because I'm your senior doesn't mean I'm so old I don't know how to bash some sticks you know!
~Dante~
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randomusertom
Friendly Mushroom!
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Registered: Apr 2006 |
Posted 04-22-08 02:03 PM IP
Back on the topic, I just remembered i have an invite to the Metal Gear Online beta in that DVD case... and i think it just opened....
so gonna sign up for that this afternoon.
edit: damn, they had to push the beta back to the 25th in europe, so probably here too....
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Eisenhorn
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Posted 04-22-08 02:46 PM IP
Quote:
Kitsu-kun wrote:
I love how you simply said it was a better machine and didn't exactly expand on it...
Just curious, cause I really don't know your standpoint...how is an Xbox better than a Ps2? have you owned both? have you intimately probed each one for it's specs while playing? It's like saying Zune is better than Ipod, or a PSP is better than a Gameboy.
Where I come from... usually power to play and keep games at a comfortable speed and have a wide variety of games means the console is better than other consoles that don't.
I'm also not saying that Xbox completely sucks, even I like to shoot some people on Halo sometimes...And Splinter Cell is good... I just don't like hearing how everyone was spoiled with the new crap and refuse to play games like MGS because of "stupid plotlines" and "limited game control". Call me weird...but the difficutly of games as of late has been dimished greatly (besides FPS) and I believe that the difference between a "good" game and a "bad" game is simply the difficulty of the camera, controls and graphics. Don't get me wrong, when camera's suck...wow...yeah I get pissed. But if the controls or actions are limited, I find that challenging and fun.
In any case, judging from the entire perspective of this topic... no one save Megan and myself have played MGS, and MGS 3: Snake Eater. Only MGS2, and quite frankly you all should know better than to judge predeceors by their immediate sequel, movie or game. Like Mori said... FFX-2 is a prime example.
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1. Yes I have owned both consoles and I prefered the X-box, better games, better lifespan. (my PS2 only lasted 5 months, while the X-box lasted 2 years.)
2. I don't care if the game has "limited control" as long as it does what I tell it to do.
3. I have played MGS, and MGS 3:snake eater (i didn't finish either because I didn't like either.)
4. I don't judge a game by it's Prequels or sequels.
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randomusertom
Friendly Mushroom!
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Posted 04-22-08 04:28 PM IP
Boys, don't make me bring out the back on topic stick.
Everyone has their preferences. Kitsune and I have our loyalties to the Metal Gear franchise and the Playstation systems (though I, at least, am more than willing to admit the flaws of both) and you to your games and systems of choice.
if we're going to get into the console war, lets make a thread for it (or two, even, because PS2 vs Xbox is a far different argument than 360 vs PS3). the REAL topic here is that I'M GONNA BE IN THE MGO BETA, BITCHES! Uhn, uhn, yeah! **is doin a dance**
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Aurora_Alighieri
Mr. Glows in the Dark
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Posted 04-23-08 02:01 AM IP
speaking of which how soon are you going to be in the MGO Beta?
~Dante~
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randomusertom
Friendly Mushroom!
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Posted 04-23-08 09:04 AM IP
well it opens this weekend, now that theyve postponed it, but i still have to wait for my replacement beta-access-code, because the one in my box fell victim to a horrid misprint where i am left with 3 too few characters to redeem it for glory and awsum.
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Aurora_Alighieri
Mr. Glows in the Dark
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Posted 04-23-08 09:57 AM IP
Oh, that is a let down. But at least you know the glory and awesome are coming though.
~Dante~
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Eisenhorn
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Posted 04-23-08 09:15 PM IP
Nice *thumbsup*!
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