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Posted September 21st, 2010 11:26 PM IP

ddub
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allow 2 drops next year with a 6 race schedule.

doesn't anybody wanna play for blood....

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Posted September 22nd, 2010 08:09 AM IP

Archie king
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Are we talking about races that were attended or races that one did not attend.

I say you should only be allowed to drop a race if you attended all races and forget the extra points for attended them all. That is a bit rediculous. Nowhere in the real racing world do you get awarded bonus points for being at all the events.

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Posted September 22nd, 2010 08:16 AM IP

Luther
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We use to have 2 drops when we had 8 races in a year.

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Are we talking about races that were attended or races that one did not attend.

I say you should only be allowed to drop a race if you attended all races and forget the extra points for attended them all. That is a bit rediculous. Nowhere in the real racing world do you get awarded bonus points for being at all the events.

Archie

Real racing may not give bonus points but they give real money. That's their bonus. Bonus points are just to try and get people to make all the races. 3 points is not a lot but can make the difference.

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Posted September 22nd, 2010 08:19 AM IP

Archie king
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Luther, I drag raced for years. And won multiple events and series championships. Never did the money won cover the weekend of racing. Only the true professionals in the sport actually make money. Ask any of the dirt track racers around DFW if they race for the money.

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Posted September 22nd, 2010 08:19 AM IP

RacerDave21
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Could the schedule be increased if another track is added?

WINGS HOLD'EM DOWN BUT NOTHING HOLDS'EM BACK!!

Posted September 22nd, 2010 08:30 AM IP

brane
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Drop the drops and the participation bonus.

I can be the jump start for the car parked in your mind
Cos' you left the lights on all night long

Ya, horses you muck mouthed, baboon jawed, green shanked idiot! I'll make you some fudge!
And all the kiddies rolled their loathesome, filmy, bloated little eyeballs.

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Posted September 22nd, 2010 11:13 AM IP

txdavid4777
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allow only 1 drop per season.

When faster is not fast enough!
and fastest is still not fast enough!

Posted September 22nd, 2010 12:45 PM IP

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I believe one drop is sufficient with 6 races. If there are more races then 1 more may be needed. The drops are there so that someone is not completely out of the series if there is something they cannot get out of on a race day. For instance I coach High School Baseball and we have Tournaments that end on Saturdays(sometimes Sundays) and if my team is in the Championship game at 4:00 I don't think I can be in Tulsa at 6:00 for a race. Now if this happens during the second TSRA race of the year and I don't get a drop what is my incintive towards the points race after that. Everybody should do their best to make it to all the races because if you have a bad race than you still have shot at doing well in the points. It is only 6 weekends in the year and if we love racing we should be able to work around most things to get to the races. Gotta Go

Posted September 22nd, 2010 07:27 PM IP

Milton Gamble
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We had a 9 race schedule in the Southern USRA, one race at each track, and 2 drops. The general consensus regarding drops was if you missed early or had a bad day you still had a chance to finish well in the points and thus the incentive to continue.

We also had a small bonus for racers that made all 9 races. We used the Nascar points system so a win was like 175 points and the bonus was 5 points.

Just a thought.

Later,
Milton

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Posted September 22nd, 2010 07:51 PM IP

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Milton that is basically what we have now. Thanks for your input. Gotta Go

Posted September 23rd, 2010 08:19 AM IP

Archie king
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That is not what we have now. To win is 12 points and we give 3 points for making all the races. That is close to 30% of the points to win a race.

Now, Mr. Gambles way is 175 points to win and only 5 points bonus for making all the races. That is less than 3%.

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Posted September 23rd, 2010 10:22 AM IP

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You missed an important word in my statement "basically".

Over the years that I have raced in the TSRA I don't recall someone winning a title because they got the bonus points and second didn't. There may have been a 3rd place winner but I am not sure. What we have to decide is if we reward someone for being completely committed, supporting the organization and raceways or let the racing decide who is rewarded. I am on the fence a little on this. Being a racer, I want the racing to determine the outcome but knowing the organizational and owner side and wanting to support these things I want as many people to be there as possible. Like I said on the fence. Gotta Go

Posted September 23rd, 2010 10:29 AM IP

shontelh
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I can give you one example...
2008, in Katy, Jay out scored Mac in points in the last wing flexi race. Gloating around the room about his championship victory...he was suddenly stopped when the extra bonus points were added in and he lost the title and trophy.
Ohhh that was a long ride home!

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Posted September 23rd, 2010 10:48 AM IP

brane
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I had a similar thing happen to me one year in NASCAR. Should have had second, but ended up with third because I had to drop more points.

Posted September 23rd, 2010 11:09 AM IP

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I can give you one example...
2008, in Katy, Jay out scored Mac in points in the last wing flexi race. Gloating around the room about his championship victory...he was suddenly stopped when the extra bonus points were added in and he lost the title and trophy.
Ohhh that was a long ride home!

I do remember that I think. Was it the bonus points or the dropped points?

Posted September 23rd, 2010 11:23 AM IP

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I had a similar thing happen to me one year in NASCAR. Should have had second, but ended up with third because I had to drop more points.

Now that has happened a few times where you drop more points than your competitor. It has happened to me, but that was when we dropped 2 races. If we have a best 6 out of 8 races and you make all of them and run a consistent 3rd and 4th a person who runs a consistent 1st and 2nd with 2 bad races has an opportunity to beat you over all. I am assuming this is what happened to you Brian? It did to me. This is where the bonus points could help someone who was consistent and stand to lose more regular points. Still on the fence. Gotta go

Posted September 23rd, 2010 11:37 AM IP

tnt2
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I would do No Drops and keep the 3 Bonus points.

Posted September 23rd, 2010 11:50 AM IP

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I think if you have no drops there isn't a need for bonus points. If someone misses a race he loses points others are getting. I still think 1 drop helps get more racers involved as much as they can be. Not sure on the bonus points tho. Gotta Go

Posted September 23rd, 2010 03:10 PM IP

I Flame Edsel
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1 drop is perfect for 6 races. If we add 2 more races next year (8 total) then we can do 2 drops.

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Posted September 23rd, 2010 03:38 PM IP

brane
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If we have a best 6 out of 8 races and you make all of them and run a consistent 3rd and 4th a person who runs a consistent 1st and 2nd with 2 bad races has an opportunity to beat you over all.

A person who consistently finishes 1st or 2nd should win. With the current points system, there is a possibility that they can't. Having a poor finish in at least one race is almost necessary to win. Deliberately taking a dive in a race becomes a possible good strategy move.

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