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 Posted April 30th, 2007 09:44 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Roy Rogers Fan: The biggest fantasy movie of the year is from a book by a fourteen year old boy, so it CAN happen. Just don't give up. Keep writing and getting better at it and eventually you'll get published. The problem is that most publishers receive thousands of manuscripts every month from people they never heard of...so if the first paragraph doesn't hook them, they just toss it and go on to the next one. You have a better chance getting epublished (an epublisher publishes books that are available as a download over the internet and read on ebook readers, PDA's, or laptop computers. They can also be read on some cell phones.) It's not that you don't have to be good to get epublished, it's just that there is less competition. Most epublishers instead of receiving thousands of unsolicited manuscripts each month, only receive a few hundred. Still of the ones they receive, they will only publish one or two, so it still has to be good to get published, but it is a lot easier to get your story read by a publishers. Also, there are advantages to epublishing. The book never goes out of print and the royalties are much, much higher. Consider it. Steve
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 Posted May 1st, 2007 04:55 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Would you tell me a little bit about how epublishing works? I'm seriously trying to get some stuff published, so I'd like to know!
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 Posted May 1st, 2007 08:40 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Sure, RS: Epublishers are publishers just like the paper (traditional) publishers. They just don't use paper. They edit the manuscript, proofread it, come up with a book cover (many of them are beautiful check out mine) but instead of printing the book on paper, they print it to a computer file. Then, when people what to buy the book, they go to the publisher's website or some other ebook seller site (www.fictionwise.com sells 30,000 books per month all ebooks) and download the book directly from the computer where it is held to their personal computer or hand-held reading device. With my reader, I download the book to my computer, then transfer it to the reader. I like the reader because it will hold about 100 books at a time, I can change the size of the type so I can read it without my glases and it is backlit so I can read it in the dark. I load all my reference books into it and use it to do my research. I also load my manuscripts into it it for editing and when I go somewhere that I don't want to take my laptop, I take my reader because I can type on it it and get some work done without having a computer. You pay for ebooks either with a credit card, or through www.paypal.com You can use paypal if you don't have a credit card or don't want to use one, or don't trust the internet because paypal guarnatees the transaction up to $1000. You can save your ebooks to a disk or flash media or an SD card like digital cameras use to store pictures. E-books never go out of print because once they are in the publisher's computer, it doesn't cost anything to leave it there forever and when someone wants to buy one, they can even if it has been years since the book was published. Many traditional publishers are now also epublishing their books, so if you go to fictionwise for example, you will find books from all the big publishers as well as the small publishers and epublishers. Many small publishers are also or primarily ebook publishrs. That means they are a small publisher, not a big New York publisher, but they do print books on paper and sell them, they also sell ebooks. A big difference between big publishers and small publishrs is that big publishers pay an advance against royalties. That means, they will pay you some money before your book sells, but then when the book starts selling, you get no many untill it has sold enough to pay back the advance. then they will pay about 5 percent of the cover price of each book sold to the writer. Small publishers and epublishers usually don't pay advances by will pay up to 50 percent of the cover price in royalties! So with small press and epress you get less or no money up front, but may get much more in the end. Also, the royalties keep coming forever because the book never goes out of print with epublishing. Traditional publishers will pull the book from the market after a few weeks or months if it doesn't sell jillions of copies. After that you stop making money. Hope that helps. Google epublishers and you will get a list of places you can submit to. Also, with traditional publishers, once you submit a book, it may be a year or two before you find out if they like it or not, and you can only submit to one publisher at a time! So you could be waiting for years just to find out if you can sell it. Then if they do decide to publish it, it can take a couple more years to get it into print. Most epublishers will let you know within a few weeks if they like the book or not, and if they do, it will be available for sale usually within a few months. Steve
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 Posted May 1st, 2007 08:46 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
RS: You can go to www.epicauthors.org to find out more about epublishing. Epic is the organization made up of epublishers and other publishrs who also epublish. There is a lot of information there about epublishing. Also there is a list of epublishers and what they are looking for from writers. Hope this helps, Steve
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 Posted May 5th, 2007 12:52 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Thank you VERY much. I'll go to that link and take a look. Thanks very much once again.
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 Posted May 7th, 2007 04:19 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
You do write well, R.S.!
   
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 Posted May 11th, 2007 06:11 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Oh, thank you! From you, Brenda Castilla, that means worlds!!
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 Posted May 11th, 2007 07:35 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
that yu shur do r s and that is not a yolk as yu put it and i wouldnt want to give you writing indigestion either!!
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 Posted May 11th, 2007 07:38 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Gurgle...you already did!!
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 Posted May 11th, 2007 07:40 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
When did the rest of you guys start writing? Last month marks the anniversary of one year for me. I did some writing before that, but it was all awful and I spent hardly any time on it. Since last April, I write almost every day. I tried to figure out how many pages I've completed since then the other day, and figured out that it was over 800 finished computer pages! I was amazed by that. It didn't seem like so much!
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 Posted May 12th, 2007 08:08 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Well, I started righting stories when I was little, then finished writing a book starring me as Captian of a girl's hockey team going to Banff. It was a mystery one, and then after that I went into better mystery stories, and then into RR.
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 Posted May 12th, 2007 12:54 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hmm! That sounds like you're several years up on me. I think your writing is just getting better and better! Looking forwards to seeing anything else you put out.
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 Posted May 12th, 2007 12:59 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Thanks! I think it helps to improve your writing if you write alot of movie scripts-which I do also. I'm basically the entire script dept. at my sister's and I movie studio.
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 Posted May 12th, 2007 01:00 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I've never tried a movie script. I've started a couple plays but they always flop and I hate writing scripts anyway. Again, you're ahead of me!
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 Posted May 12th, 2007 01:03 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I used to write lots of plays for a drama club I was in with other homeschooled girls-including a really funny western play that we put on for one of the other girls sisters, and we used three RR songs. She laughed alot at it.
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 Posted May 13th, 2007 09:05 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
RS: I started writing in the 4th or 5th grade. Before that I made comics. BTW, something I failed to mention about epublishing, there are many on-line magazines. They are called ezines. There are online mags that specialize in everything, westerns, mysteries, science fiction, romance...you name it, there is an ezine that is looking for it. So if you write short stories, google ezine for a long list or just romance/western/mystery or whatever you want to write and find a magazine that publishes that, then read the magazine (many are free on the internet) and write something just for them. You can do the same thing with traditional magazines but it can take up to a year or two to get a story published in a paper magazine and only several weeks for ezines usually. Steve
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 Posted May 15th, 2007 04:12 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Wow! Are those magazines strictly for free contributions, or do they buy stories as well?
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RS: Many of them pay for stories, some do not, but they give you exposure and credits that you can use to get in the door at other publishers. Steve
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 Posted May 23rd, 2007 04:30 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Okay, thanks very much! I really appreciate all your help!!!
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I came up with another scene that I don't think I can use--so here it is.

First of all, to make this scene work, Roy'd have to be chasing the head BG, who knows he's chasing him. So, to cover himself, the head BG grabs Dale and stuffs her into a room in his hideout--then sets some sort of bomb of something that he can detonate.

After a while, Roy shows up and gets the drop on the BG. They converse for a while--Roy maybe confronting him with evidence and the BG slithering around. Finally, Roy tells him to hand over something--or whatever. The head BG would do the famous you-just-THINK-you-outsmarted-me laugh, and announce that Roy had better not try anything, cuz he's got Dale locked up across the area.

Roy says he doesn't believe it, so the BG obligingly decides to show him. He opens the door (his hand would be in his pocket on the detonator), looks in--and does a doubletake. No Dale.

Then a voice comes from behind him--and to make the scene most effective, from behind Roy. "Looking for me?"

Dale would have sneaked out some back way and come around--thereby teaching the poor little BG once more that she's just not healthy to mess with.

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I was moping the other day, thinking about how lonely I was gonna be after I finished my series that started with “The Lost Valley Landgrab” (I have only 2 more stories to write and one to finish and that’ll be the end). Just when I got gloomiest, I came up with another idea! I thought it’d be fun to write a RR story using Roy and Dale as themselves, and then adding a fictional twist. Your idea about foreign countries, CBFan, gave me the idea to maybe set it when Roy and Dale were traveling to England. Not only could I stick Mimi’s adoption in then, but I could put in some sneaky trans-atlantic horse smugglers—maybe with an eye on Trigger!
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Hmm. Good idea! I'd love to write a Canadian-US RR story, but I decided against it because I wouldn't want to portray our laws wrong, and the Mounted Police who would absolutely have to be in the story, and we don't allow just anybody to carry guns up here, so it'd just be one non RR like story. Anyways, maybe someday I can write it when I have studied our laws better. Or I could ask my brother, he'd know for sure.
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 Posted July 9th, 2007 12:34 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Well, don't give up so easy! I had to do a ton of research for my Death in the Valley story, but it was worth it. I had a great time learning about it, and besides, I think it made the story better since all the details were accurate.

As far as the Mounties go with R's gun, how about making him some sort of law officer--game warden, or something like that?

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 Posted July 9th, 2007 12:38 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
As far as I know, to make it correct and all, the Mounted Police would of taken care of all that.
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 Posted July 9th, 2007 12:41 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Are you sure? I've been doing a little research and I sure think that in the modern era, Canada has things like game wardens, etc.

If all else fails, you can always make him be a special deputy to one of the Mounties.

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 Posted July 9th, 2007 12:45 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Maybe now. And if they had game wardens, they would of been Canadian probably. Even if I set the story back in the 1800's, like a historial one, it still wouldn't work because we didn't have outlaws or bad guys in our west. Our west wasn't even wild.
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Well, look at it this way. Even Canada has bad guys. After all, if it didn't, how would the Mounties always get their man?

Joking aside, there MUST have been some bad guys, no matter what the era.

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I actually don't think that saying is true. I believe it was made up for the movie Mounted Police. I read this book by Pierre Berton, a famous Canadian historian, called "Hollywood's Canada", and how alot of the things people think about Canada/the mounted Police are from the movies, most of them (about 500 were made) are wrong. The first Mounted Police, in the 1800s, were formed and sent out BEFORE the our west got settled, instead of after, like the sheriffs and law in the US's wild west. So we really had no problems with bad guys- except for some liquor selling traders who weren't Canadian who sold liquor to the Natives, but the RCMP got them.
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Hmm. That's really interesting. I'm gonna have to do some research on that soon. I still think there must be bad guys though. For heaven's sake, there are bad guys everywhere! I don't mean stage-coach robbing outlaws, but just ordinary theives, murderers, etc. Especially in the cities. I just heard about some big crime the other day...
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