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Roughriding Senorita
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 Posted March 27th, 2007 05:45 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Since there are so many people writing RR stories now, I wanted to ask you guys--do you have a terrible time thinking up original plots too? There were just so many things Roy did--it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to find a plot that hasn't been used before! What's really anoyying about it is when I think I found something original--and then I see the exact same plot in a movie!! That's happened to me lots...it drived me crazy! You probably noticed that the plot for Smugglers of Santa Fe is pretty similar to The Far Frontier--well, believe it or not, i didn't watch the Far Frontier till I was almost done with Smugglers!! After that, I really tried hard to think up something that no one ever thought up before...but it didn't work. A couple of months ago, I came up with the idea to have some bad guys start spreading a rabies infection in Paradise Valley for the purpose of driving off the ranchers. I thought for sure that was original and wrote the story--but then, just last week, I listened to a radio show and they had the SAME PLOT!!! Ooh, dear, it's depressing...

The one shred of comfort I have is my new story I'm working on... it has some typical plot lines but one side line that I don't think could possibly have been used before. I sure hope not!

Anyway, does this happen to anyone besides poor li'l ol' me?

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 Posted March 27th, 2007 05:50 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
yes!!

i have the same problem


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 Posted March 27th, 2007 05:54 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Gee, you write RR stories too? Would you consider posting them on here? That would be great!!

It's so neat that there are more and more authors on here!!!!

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 Posted March 27th, 2007 05:58 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
check yur messages ill post there my snippets!!

then yu tell me if yu like them ok

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 Posted March 27th, 2007 06:03 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Ok!
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 Posted March 28th, 2007 07:14 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I have problems like that too. Some times I have problems with not knowing what to put in next or if I've had the main characters go somewhere absoluetly impossible (like finding a underground tunnel in my first and never finished story -Roy Rogers and the Phantom of Eagle Head).
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 Posted March 28th, 2007 11:07 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I havn't really writen a RR story (exept about his life) but I do right other storys, and it IS hard to find a plot.....
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 Posted March 28th, 2007 11:37 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I guess that I don't mind following the normal plots too much, but I do like to think of
something original sometimes. You have to admit, Roughriding Seniorita, that your
Danger on the Dam was a one-of-a-kind plot. I haven't seen anything that's even
CLOSE to that yet!

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 Posted March 28th, 2007 11:52 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Has anybody ever thought of writing stories to go along with RR movies? I think it would be interesting, but it would mean watching that movie alot and seeing the uncut version.
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 Posted March 28th, 2007 02:22 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
yes i have!!!!!!!!


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 Posted March 28th, 2007 02:27 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Have you written any yet, cowboyforchrist?
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 Posted March 28th, 2007 02:41 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
im in the process of writing it but it comes in little pieces and will be unusual.

but it will be good!!!!

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 Posted March 28th, 2007 02:43 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I'm looking forward to reading it whenever you have it done!
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 Posted March 31st, 2007 07:02 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
since 4 people write stories here i have sent some definitions along maybe to help with plotting them!!!!!!!!
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 Posted March 31st, 2007 12:48 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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Has anybody ever thought of writing stories to go along with RR movies? I think it would be interesting, but it would mean watching that movie alot and seeing the uncut version.


I have!! I've written a story to go along with both Bells of San Angelo and The Golden Stallion. Both of them need editing and pic-adding, but I did write them.

(I did that just in case all the movie copies were ever lost! )

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 Posted March 31st, 2007 12:48 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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im in the process of writing it but it comes in little pieces and will be unusual.

but it will be good!!!!


I'm looking forwards to seeing it BIG TIME!!

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 Posted March 31st, 2007 03:15 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
That's cool that you wrote one for Bells of San Angelo Roughriding Senorita. Maybe you can post it here someday-I'd love to read it! (I happen to love book versions of movies)
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Roughriding Senorita
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 Posted April 5th, 2007 12:52 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Okay, I will post it. I could also email it to you, if you'd like--that way the formatting would be better. I love book versions of movies too. I have written quite a few. I also like doing that because I can change things if I feel that there should have been something added or taken away.
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 Posted April 9th, 2007 12:23 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Senorita: It has been said that there are only about seven actual plots, everything else is a variation on one of them. Since there are so few, no matter how many there are, it isn't real important to come up with a new one. You can do an old one in a new way. The important thing is that you will make the story different because you will tell it like no one else ever has. Also, you can take things out of the news, things that happen today, and bend them around into a story that you can use. Sometimes that can be a lot of fun. For example, If someone invented a bomb more powerful than the atom bomb, you could turn that into a story about nitroglycerine being used by the railroad to make a tunnel through a mountain and how dangerous it was for the people and animals in the area, or you could read about the government trying to bring back the wolf population and the problems that is causing for ranchers and write a story about Roy hunting a rogue wolf that has been blamed for killing cattle only to find that the wolf didn't do it at all...you get the idea. Take current situations and turn them into something that Roy has to deal with. Steve
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 Posted April 9th, 2007 08:15 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
That's a good idea. Some one (on another forum) asked me if I thought RR movies were formiclal ( I think that was the word) anyways, if I found the plots the same over and over. I said sometimes, but there is always new twists, characters and adventures that can be built around the same plot.

Could you e-mail it to me? Thanks!

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 Posted April 10th, 2007 01:43 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
What you guys say about same plot different twist is really true! For instance, we just watched
South of Caliente recently, and I said, "Wow, that one's got a different plot line." And my dad
says, "No, it's just the same, the girls loosing the ranch, plot" And he was right! It's amazing!
It think that's what made the later movies so good, they were more creative about their plots,
differnt from the early ones. So while the plot was alot the same it was, in the same way,
different. Am I making a bit of sense?

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You will listen to me. Listen! The Bretheren will still be looking to us, the Black Pearl, to lead. And what will they see? Frightened bilge rats aboard a derelict ship? No! No, they will see free men and freedom! And what the enemy will see is the flash of our cannons! They will hear the ring of our swords and they will know what we can do. By the sweat of our brows, and the strength of our backs, and the courage of our hearts. Gentlemen, hoist the colors.
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 Posted April 10th, 2007 02:02 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
yes yu are!!
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Senorita: It has been said that there are only about seven actual plots, everything else is a variation on one of them. Since there are so few, no matter how many there are, it isn't real important to come up with a new one. You can do an old one in a new way. The important thing is that you will make the story different because you will tell it like no one else ever has. Also, you can take things out of the news, things that happen today, and bend them around into a story that you can use. Sometimes that can be a lot of fun. For example, If someone invented a bomb more powerful than the atom bomb, you could turn that into a story about nitroglycerine being used by the railroad to make a tunnel through a mountain and how dangerous it was for the people and animals in the area, or you could read about the government trying to bring back the wolf population and the problems that is causing for ranchers and write a story about Roy hunting a rogue wolf that has been blamed for killing cattle only to find that the wolf didn't do it at all...you get the idea. Take current situations and turn them into something that Roy has to deal with. Steve


Thanks, Steve! You made me feel better. What you said is exactly what I try to do--although it still makes me feel a little bit bad when I find that someone came up with my exact plot line--after I did! My sister always lectures me when I wail about them stealing my ideas--she says they had it first. Well, that's true, I guess...

Anyway, I'm still on my quest to come up with a really original idea! So far, nothing in particular, although I do have some pretty good sidelines.

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 Posted April 10th, 2007 05:04 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Speaking of plot ideas, I came up with a couple good ones, I think. I'd like to hear what your ideas are on them.

The first one--the theme for the story I'm currently writing--centers around a boy Roy takes in from a reform school, to live on the Double R Bar. Of course, things are a little more complicated than that...the boy was framed by a bad guy, and it's up to Roy and Dale to figure out just who. Also involved in that plot is an escaped convict who's idea of fun is blowing up houses using electrical systems. I think that idea might be original!

The other plot idea is going to be the theme for the next story--an old prospector who supposedly has found an extremely rich deposit of diamonds dies in Mineral City. Before dying, he asks to talk to Dale and tells her a secret which she's not supposed to tell for a month. The secret actually has nothing to do with the unknown location of his mine--he dies without revealing it--but sad to say, the bad guys don't believe that, and are out to get Dale. Result: one frantically worried Roy, one furious Sally Payne, and one interesting plot--I hope! There are sidelines to this plot too, mainly the crush SP develops on Pat and the interesting methods Dale uses to try and help SP to interest Pat. One other sideline will be that my character Dale will write Happy Trails in this story.

What do you guys think?

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 Posted April 10th, 2007 05:10 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Oops! I just remembered one more thing. I came up with an idea for a short story the other day, involving an cave with something hidden in it. Only problem is, I can't think what exactly I need to hide in it. It has to be something that could be very dangerous to people if the BGs got their hands on it, and it has to be something that could have been in the same place for one hundred years. Got any ideas? I know, the obvious answer is uranium, but that's so boring!! Along with the supposedly-petered out gold mine and the unknown oil under the ranch, uranium goes to the top of most-used plots. Can anyone help me get a better idea?
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 Posted April 10th, 2007 07:40 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hmm. If I think of any ideas I'll let you know! It could be ore, or silver.
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 Posted April 10th, 2007 07:46 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
RS: You have a great imagination for plots and I bet you will come up with some great stories! Just let your brain go to work along with that great desire to write that is within you!!!
   
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RS: I know how you feel about other people using your ideas. Several years ago, I came up with a story about people using a Gate to travel to other worlds. Then the movie StarGate came out and I couldn't sell my story. Now, 15 years later, my book, The Last Guardian, is finally coming out next January. Steve
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 Posted April 12th, 2007 06:21 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hey, you write books too? I mean, ones that get published? Roughriding Seniorita and
I are writing a book that we'd like to get published, who knows if we will though. After
all, what are the publishers gonna think of a couple of teeagers trying to publish a mystery
book? Okay, so it's a good one, but still...........

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You will listen to me. Listen! The Bretheren will still be looking to us, the Black Pearl, to lead. And what will they see? Frightened bilge rats aboard a derelict ship? No! No, they will see free men and freedom! And what the enemy will see is the flash of our cannons! They will hear the ring of our swords and they will know what we can do. By the sweat of our brows, and the strength of our backs, and the courage of our hearts. Gentlemen, hoist the colors.
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 Posted April 12th, 2007 08:54 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I think it's possible, RRfan. What kind of mystery book is it? I know some places you'll have to pay a ton, and others, like Christian book publishers, you don't have to pay, but the book has to fit the guidelines ( I know because a cousin and I wanted to get three of our mysteries stories, Christian ones, published. It was either too much money though, or our books didn't fit the guidlines, though the books were really good).
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