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jassad1
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 Posted February 11th, 2010 03:10 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Lew Rockwell gives his thoughts on the evil nature of the year 2000 census.

The long form for 2010 has gotten longer. The advertising blitz is heating up too. In 2000 they were advertising using Sesame Street characters. This year they had ads during the Super Bowl. They also have hired big name actors to do other TV ads and radio ads. They must know people are not happy about it. Hmmm. I guess if they find me I'll just send in the head count as the Constitution requires.


Edit: More on the census scam from Eric Garris.
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 Posted March 9th, 2010 04:52 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Some people have asked me why this matters. Why not just answer the questions and avoid the hassle?

Ron Paul explains why it matters if the government has all of this information and what they can do with it.

Excerpt:

"The Census Bureau claims that collected information is not shared with any federal agency; but rather is kept under lock and key for 72 years. It also claims that no information provided to census takers can be used against you by the government.

However, these promises can and have been abused in the past. Census data has been used to locate men who had not registered for the draft. Census data also was used to find Japanese-Americans for internment camps during World War II. Furthermore, the IRS has applied census information to detect alleged tax evaders. Some local governments even have used census data to check for compliance with zoning regulations.

It is not hard to imagine that information compiled by the census could be used against people in the future, despite claims to the contrary and the best intentions of those currently in charge of the Census Bureau. The government can and does change its mind about these things, and people have a right to be skeptical about government promises."

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 Posted March 9th, 2010 10:20 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
He says Clinton Augustus in that first article, last paragraph. Somebody Honk!

I'm glad you have posted all of this because I have been trying to figure out why you don't like the census. Not sure I completely understand but now I at least have an idea of what your issues are.
   
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 Posted March 10th, 2010 05:12 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Think about this: What if the census cured cancer? Would you hate it still? Didn't think so...
   
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 Posted March 14th, 2010 11:55 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Does that work in court?
   
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 Posted March 18th, 2010 11:55 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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Think about this: What if the census cured cancer? Would you hate it still? Didn't think so...

Or what if the census were an anorexic chick who was into board games and mexican food? Would you still hate it???
   
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 Posted April 6th, 2010 02:32 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I saw a census commercial today. It had a celebrity explaining how you need to fill out your census form so that your neighbor's kids can get better schools, so the elderly in your community can get better medical service, and so on. Well if I do this then I might be depriving someone in Idaho medical service. Why do people here deserve it more? Because I filled out a piece of paper?

And this also seems contrary to all the rhetoric I've been hearing lately about how healthcare is a right and something everyone deserves. Does this mean that my community will get better medical service because i filled out a form with my name, race, age, etc? Does this make sense? What am I missing?

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 Posted April 14th, 2010 10:57 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Well it makes sense from a logistics standpoint. I don't think that is a point of weakness for those who argue the Census is good.
Assuming the government will take all of our money and plan everything for us whether we fill out a census or not...If there were no children in a district then the national government wouldn't fund schools for the area and would give school money to a place that has more children than average. I am not sure why this doesn't make sense but maybe I'm missing something.
   
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 Posted April 21st, 2010 01:52 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
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Well it makes sense from a logistics standpoint. I don't think that is a point of weakness for those who argue the Census is good.
Assuming the government will take all of our money and plan everything for us whether we fill out a census or not...If there were no children in a district then the national government wouldn't fund schools for the area and would give school money to a place that has more children than average. I am not sure why this doesn't make sense but maybe I'm missing something.


Yes, the logistics argument makes complete sense. It does theoretically makes sense to know about children and age for school and healthcare reasons. I guess I just think it is so laughable that government bureaucrats will be able to appropriately analyze this large of a data set and then make the right decisions about it that I didn't consider it as a real reason. It makes perfect sense though if you accept the politicians perspective as correct which is obviously (though apparently not to me) the way they look at it by definition.

I disagree with their perspective that every aspect of everyone's life can be planned if we just put the right/smartest people in charge. I accept the Hayekian view that only through the wisdom of all of the combined human actions can we achieve a "Spontaneous Order".

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