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janell
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 Posted January 31st, 2007 14:31 IP   
i bet you would ... :lol:
but you'de have to catch me first :lol:
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IapetusOcean
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Posted January 31st, 2007 14:51 IP
Straight talking, straight shooting, straight-laced... you've come a long way baby :lol:
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mystic light
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Posted January 31st, 2007 14:54 IP
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i bet you would ... :lol:
but you'de have to catch me first :lol:
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I am very patient....
and just lean back and watch ya. :P
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Posted January 31st, 2007 15:15 IP
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The middle path is the best way I think. Overtrustful and gullible is not good, and suspicious and in constant doubt is not good as well.
Some where in the middle, openminded, unprejudiced, willingness to consider new points of view...that should be good.
I also believe that the right moment will come eventually ...where things fall into place and make sense, and that it just all feels right.
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Middle way? That's just common sense...
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Posted January 31st, 2007 15:31 IP
What people with socalled "common sense" also come up with is eating meat because one stays 'healthy'...
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ev
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Posted January 31st, 2007 16:19 IP
squelchy shoes, common sense is to take them off unless on a hot day when they cool the feet.
is middle road being somewhere between acting with heart or with common sense?
is not creating a problem through judgment allowing reality to be clearly mirrored in perception without the dust of self view distorting the picture?
sort of reacting to the moment without judging the moment, on any level, allows the moment to be what it is and reaction to it to be right action as action is no longer searching for a seperate definition of me or trying to meet any desires related to me.
Defining a compassionate of absurb me are also definitions of seperation, and judging good or bad always leads to being bad or good so it seems to me that compassion or what is can not be known unless middle road is taken?
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mystic light
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Posted January 31st, 2007 17:27 IP
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squelchy shoes, common sense is to take them off unless on a hot day when they cool the feet.
is middle road being somewhere between acting with heart or with common sense?
is not creating a problem through judgment allowing reality to be clearly mirrored in perception without the dust of self view distorting the picture?
sort of reacting to the moment without judging the moment, on any level, allows the moment to be what it is and reaction to it to be right action as action is no longer searching for a seperate definition of me or trying to meet any desires related to me.
Defining a compassionate of absurb me are also definitions of seperation, and judging good or bad always leads to being bad or good so it seems to me that compassion or what is can not be known unless middle road is taken?
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Hi, ev, that is interesting...(as usual, yes... :rolleyes: )
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Defining a compassionate of absurb me are also definitions of seperation, and judging good or bad always leads to being bad or good so it seems to me that compassion or what is can not be known unless middle road is taken? |
I'd agree that compassion is an attribute of "the middle path..." but what do you mean with judgements of good and bad lead to being good and bad?
Are judgements about "what is which" necessary to decide to develop or to realize innate compassion, then?
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Posted January 31st, 2007 18:07 IP
is everyone here buddhist?
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mystic light
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Posted January 31st, 2007 18:16 IP
Most definitely not! :lol: Why do you ask?
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Posted January 31st, 2007 18:24 IP
Okay but since you asked:
This is the fundamental teaching of the middle way taught by Buddha:
1. Thus have I heard: At one time the Bhagavan was staying at Deer Park, in Isipatana near Varanasi.
2. Then the Buddha addressed the five ascetics: "Bhikshus, one who has gone forth from wordly life should not indulge in there two extremes. What are the two? There is indulgence in desirable sense objects, which is low, vulger, worldly, ignoble, unworthy, and unprofitable and there is devotion to self-mortification, which is painful, unworthy and unprofitable.
3. "Bhikshus, avoiding both these extremes, the Tathagata has realized the Middle Path. It produces vision, it produes knowledge, it leads to calm, to higher knowledge, to enlightenment, to nirvana.
4. "And what is that Middle Path, Bhikshus, that the Tathagata has realized? It is simply the Noble Eightfold Path, namely: Right understanding, right thought, right speech, right action, right livelihood, right effort, right awareness and right concentration. This is the Noble Eightfold Path realized by the Tathagata. It prduces vision, it produces knowledge, it leads to calm, to higher knowledge, to enlightenment, to nirvana."
-From the Dhamma.cakka.ppavattana Sutta (Sutra of Turning the Wheel of Dharma) published as The First Discourse of the Buddha, trans by Dr Rewata Dhamma, pub. Wisdom Pubs 1997
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janell
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Posted January 31st, 2007 21:27 IP
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Straight talking, straight shooting, straight-laced... you've come a long way baby :lol:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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janell
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Posted January 31st, 2007 21:29 IP
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is everyone here buddhist?
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I consider myself a Taoist although I enjoy the wisdom of Buddism as well.
Janell
ps. and Jesus too.
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Posted January 31st, 2007 23:00 IP
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No I am Sammy. Nice to meet you. :P
Jesus teaching was the truth. He was killed for it. I find holiness in that so I'd say I'm a christian before all else but I don't like labels. Even my name! :P
I like Lao Tzu and his teaching because it is so harmless.
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Posted February 1st, 2007 04:27 IP
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Most definitely not! :lol: Why do you ask? |
Dunno, just the heavy buddhist quotations, wanted to know who i was talking too...
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mystic light
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Posted February 1st, 2007 08:10 IP
Middle path or what? Says every farmer here, without knowing any "Buddha rap"!
Woah, I could really flood you with Sufi or Lao Tze quotations, if so desired! :lol:
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....Make that Janell, Anna, Sammy, Ocean, ....yeah
Welcome to a world where people define themselves less from the "-ists" ... I think....I may be wrong though ....:heart:
That's liberation right there, ain't it?
How about that:
I don't want to be a Buddh-ist, but Buddh-a....
And what is your denomination besides Peter? :kitten:
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Posted February 1st, 2007 09:51 IP
Replying to your question mystic about the good, the bad and the ugly.
Seeing in compassion is not judging any situation or middle road.
When we judge something as good that is our judgement, but to see something as anything we need a comparator and therefore with good comes bad they are a sealed package of joy and dispair.
Peter,
I'm not anything other than a human and i'm not sure what that is, although through the examples of buddha, jesus, lao, etc it seems a human can be free from self pertpetuated suffering and can act selflessly at all times.
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mystic light
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Posted February 1st, 2007 10:07 IP
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Replying to your question mystic about the good, the bad and the ugly.
Seeing in compassion is not judging any situation or middle road.
When we judge something as good that is our judgement, but to see something as anything we need a comparator and therefore with good comes bad they are a sealed package of joy and dispair.
Peter,
I'm not anything other than a human and i'm not sure what that is, although through the examples of buddha, jesus, lao, etc it seems a human can be free from self pertpetuated suffering and can act selflessly at all times.
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Yes Ev, I see...( ...methinks? )
What popped up is a thought of 'good' being so relative from individual POVs, right?
What is good for X may at the same time be bad for Y.
And selflessness rings a bell, definitely.
All of the time is a matter of negotiation with --no, what a minute.
Thanks. 
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Posted February 1st, 2007 10:18 IP
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"All of the time is a matter of negotiation with --no, what a minute."
Well just do it now and see how long now goes on for
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Posted February 1st, 2007 10:33 IP
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"All of the time is a matter of negotiation with --no, what a minute."
Well just do it now and see how long now goes on for
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Agreed...
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Posted February 1st, 2007 12:26 IP
shhhh.....pretend you don't know anything for now!
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Posted February 1st, 2007 13:36 IP
...agreed...
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Posted February 1st, 2007 13:52 IP
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I am not, although many Buddhist thoughts resonate with me.
I more closely align with Taoism and Advaita, primarily.
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"Bye and Bye comes the Great Awakening, and we find that this life is really a great dream...Then we are embraced in Obliterating Unity. There is a perfect adaptation to whatever may happen - and so we complete our alotted span." - Chuang Tzu, ch.11 |
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Posted February 1st, 2007 13:54 IP
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Seeing in compassion is not judging any situation or middle road.
When we judge something as good that is our judgement, but to see something as anything we need a comparator and therefore with good comes bad they are a sealed package of joy and dispair.
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beautifully stated - thanks!
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"Bye and Bye comes the Great Awakening, and we find that this life is really a great dream...Then we are embraced in Obliterating Unity. There is a perfect adaptation to whatever may happen - and so we complete our alotted span." - Chuang Tzu, ch.11 |
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mystic light
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Posted February 1st, 2007 15:34 IP
Hey, Ed, could you explain Advaita a little bit for those who don't know what it is? :wacko:
Thanks! :heart:
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Posted February 1st, 2007 16:36 IP
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mystic light wrote:....Make that Janell, Anna, Sammy, Ocean, ....yeah
Welcome to a world where people define themselves less from the "-ists" ... I think....I may be wrong though ....:heart: |
yeah, but obviously there are times when its necessary to use labels to describe ones views (or you can spend 12 years explaining rather than 1 minute), thats what i was getting at...I mean if it turned out everyone here said there were first and foremost buddhists then i would find it pointless to discuss here i could just go to a buddhist forum and i could guess 99% of the comments i'd get even before i post a subject...
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And what is your denomination besides Peter? |
artist, musician, ninja, existentialist, writer, agnostic, cook, technician, footballer, linguist, traveller, ascetic, vegetarian, introvert, dedicated husband, father of twelve, destroyer of worlds, concubine, emperor of the ant-hill, but most of all, a friend...
I don't know
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ev
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Posted February 1st, 2007 16:41 IP
" i don 't know"
peter wrote,
not sure what you are then,
well your not alone there!
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Posted February 1st, 2007 23:14 IP
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Hey, Ed, could you explain Advaita a little bit for those who don't know what it is? :wacko:
Thanks! :heart:
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I'll start another thread, sure.
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"Bye and Bye comes the Great Awakening, and we find that this life is really a great dream...Then we are embraced in Obliterating Unity. There is a perfect adaptation to whatever may happen - and so we complete our alotted span." - Chuang Tzu, ch.11 |
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Posted February 1st, 2007 23:21 IP
Nice!! Looking forward!
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Posted February 3rd, 2007 03:05 IP
absurdism vs taoism = absurdism the same as taoism but with less metaphors, give or take
basically, everything is one, but even to say its one is silly, because its always changing, wahtever one is???/..........it aint one though thats for sure....but to say its for sure is wrong, but to say its wrong is wrong, but to say its wrong because its wrong is also wrong is also wrong...and so is that...so there!!!....but thats no reason to get nihilistic, bcos you just invent your own reality, you know its fake, but that gives you freedom, which is awesome! ....subjective but still awesome .....change your reaction to desire rather than trying to desire your desire away....
yeh...
i love you
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Posted February 3rd, 2007 08:54 IP
Hi, Pete!
I wouldn't (forgive me I'm lecturing....:lol: )I wouldn't really recommend to say: Taoism versus absurdism, anything versus another....more....both "are"....
Taoism also isn't absurd if you ask me. It is like Buddhism based on the observation of "what is", and drawing logical conclusions from it.
Why would it be "silly" to say it's "one" when it's everchanging?
Change does not make 'One' un-One. It just describes an attribute of the One.
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Perhaps when we let go of the desire to seperate right from wrong, and of trying to pass judgements about which is which, an enourmous pressure and doubt falls away, this could be a first step to seeing : both dual partners together form the One.
It just is.
Look what Lao Tze said: (I'm still lecturing, woah... )
Chapter 1
The Tao that can be spoken is not the eternal Tao
The name that can be named is not the eternal name
The nameless is the origin of Heaven and Earth
The named is the mother of myriad things
Thus, constantly without desire, one observes its essence
Constantly with desire, one observes its manifestations
These two emerge together but differ in name
The unity is said to be the mystery
Mystery of mysteries, the door to all wonders
Cool, isn't it? There is no compulsion and no need to struggle for descriptions. They are impossible.
I really think that is liberating from the obsessive need to define it all, and perhaps leads automatically to accepting all.
As long as I struggle against "bad" in rejection, hate and scorn, I'm feeding it with the energy I'm giving it with my focusing on it, I keep it alive in my thoughts and stay in unrest.
As in Zen: In meditation you just sit. Just sit and calm down, and let the sandstorm of thoughts settle down.
There is nothing to define, not because there is nothing, but because it can't be adequately defined with words.
Down from soapbox. Off to breakfast. Yey! :popcorn:
(Edited by mystic light)
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