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socrates
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 Posted March 15th, 2008 12:57 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hello Everyone,

Please post your personal experience tapering. It may be helpful to include details on the amount you were on and how long including what the last amount you took before detoxing.

Secondly, be sure to include any methods that helped you get through the day.

Lastly, a disclaimer should be mentioned:

Anyone and everyone should consult a Dr. for safe results. And what works for some may not work for others. One further mention should be made, longterm use of Methadone may incur longer periods of healing.

Note: This is a Methadone Support site, when posting please don't be a (Methadone) hater.

Warm regards,

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Mikebird59
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Well, I feel for ppl. who need MMT, it may be good for them; I don't HATE the drug, just what it did to me. Anyhow, supplements (multi-vite, b-complex, fish oil, garlic) helped along with Motrin (ibuprofen). First 3 weeks or so were bad, but my MD kept a close eye and ear on me. Exercise, sunshine, they all helped. I am at day 56 and feeling GOOD after jumping at 10mg (tapered a week apart from 30 to 20 to 10 then jumped) January 19. I was on MMT 7+ years for chronic pain and now only need the occasional Lortab if my pain is so bad that the Motrin doesn't work. Keeping active and exercising helps me get thru the day. I made it a point even when feeling bad, to drag my dead a** out of bed and WALK! Read Socrates' disclaimer as it is true and I know there are a lot of ppl. out there who need MMT, I just got a bad MD (I have a great new one now, the last one lost his license for dolling out too many opiates!). In retrospect, and after being on this site, I could have made it a lot easier by tapering more slowly, but at least I am whole again. Thank you!
Mike
   
ses989
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 Posted April 4th, 2008 01:10 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hi Everyone. This is my first post ever. I never knew this existed. I am a 24 year old man from PA and I am clean for about 3 months now.

My drugs of choice were oxycontin, and heroin. I used methadone to clean up. About a year and a half ago was the last time I used heroin, fetanyl or oxy, and I stopped because one of my buddies died from an OD. That kinda woke me up. The sad thing is he od'd on methadone. Methadone is a narcotic and can be abused, but if one has the will to do it right, it can be a Godsend.

I feel it is important to note that this whole ordeal is a secret. My family doesn't know, my fiance thinks i never did drugs, I got my methadone of the street. No doctor helped me.

I started on about 80 mg twice a day. I was bad at first because I did a whole lot of dope when I changed to Methodone. I used the 40mg wafers. After about 2 weeks, the methodone gave me a normal life. I did not feel sick and i was not shooting up anymore. I successfully switched my dependancy to methadone. Gradually I weened myself down down down to the point i was taking 20mg a day in the morning, sleeping well, and waking up in the morning not feeling totally sick (I mean I was able to get in the morning dose without puking.). I waited on this doses for a long while,probably a month, then i jumped off.

The first week was the absolute worst week of my life. I knew it was going to be before i did it and i think that knowing that before hand and going ahead with it anyway is very important.

I lost all control of my bowels and threw up a whole lot. I had trouble keeping anything down, even water. I could not sleep a wink for the first two nights. the third night I slept out of pure exhaustion for abbout 3 hours.

MAKE SURE YOU ARE NOT ALONE WHEN YOU DETOX!

I was alone. I maade sure i was. Big mistake. After 3 days of violent illness and no food/water, I was super dehydrated and sick. I had not urinated for 2 days and began havin muscle cramps and spasms. I had to call my mother, I told her I was just sick and she took me to the hospital. They treated me for dehydration and kept me for only about 4 hours and 3 bags of fluids. The doctor knew what was up.

They HAVE TO keep it a secret. I didn't know that. He talked to me and I told him my story. He gave me some zofran for my nasea and it was nice to just let someone else know what i was going through. He told me if i had waited just a few more hours to come in, i would have had kidney failure.

After i was released, I went to my mother's house for 2 days. Keep in mind i was calling off work and school this whole time. She took care of me as only a mother can. She forced me to drink gatorade and broth. After the two days I went back to my place still feeling pretty rotten, but much better than before, and my fiance was back from her trip. I intentially waited for her to be gone to detox. She has no idea to this day what really was going on. Just me and that ER Doc do.

After that first week, i felt crappy for another full two weeks, kinda like feeling super tired, weak, and just yucky. I woke up early and went to bed late sleeping in patches through the nights. eventually I started feeling better and better. It's amazing, I crawled through shit and came out smelling like roses on the other side. To this day I fear relapse. I always want to get some dope or methadone. I feel fine now but i don't feel good like i did when i was using. I am one strong sonuvabitch and i'll be damned if i ever let myself use again!

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 Posted April 5th, 2008 03:55 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hi, Mike.....thanks so much for sharing!

Ses.....WELCOME!!....and glad you found us. Thanks also for sharing.....and adding the "advice" at the bottom of your story....it is right on!

Soc....good topic....and thanks for adding the disclaimer, lol!

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kmd
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 Posted April 7th, 2008 01:15 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
HI Everyone,

I'm just now into my 7th day off my taper and feel pretty good considering.

My dose started at 80mg 6 years ago, and slowly I decreased depending on how I felt, 6 months ago I was down to 25mg and continued with my taper @ 5 mg every two weeks untill I reached 10mg....then I went 1mg a week untill I finished..my last dose was March 31st..

I felt a little uncomfortable from 9mg to about 4mg, nothing I couldn't handled with a few advils before bed.

I worked with my counselor and doctor thoughtout this taper and many times I felt I could "speed" up my taper... and they were always there to advise me to take it "slow" if I wanted it to be successful.

The worse I ever felt (and it was mentally) was the last day I dosed and only because I was so afraid I would go into major withdrawal. I googled a "taper site" and found this forum, THANK GOD, so I posted about how afraid I was and received posts back that what I was feeling was normal...

Well, I never went into any withdrawal what so ever, in fact I felt and slept better that first night

So, I'm at 7 days and going off my taper and doing great....

KMD
   
dustin3382
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 Posted April 18th, 2008 05:28 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I am a new member to this site and i would like to share a little bit about my methadone experience. First off i would like to say that i have been clean from methadone and opiates for a year and half. I had an extremely bad habit for about four years. First it started with vicodin then moving to Oxys and then eventually i was injecting heroin. I tried many different ways to kick. Inpatient rehabs numerous times with no success. I got on finally at a methadone clinic. I think i went there for about 10 months total and was on 95 mgs the majority of the time i was there. However i still couldnt resist doing herion while on methadone which was stupid because the herion didnt really do much. And because of my constant failing of the drug tests for opiates and cocaine at the methadone clinic they were forced to rapidly detox me. I think they lowered my dose three mgs every day for a couple weeks until i finally was done. When my dose started to get low enough to where i started noticing it I tried buying bottles from other people at the clinic to get myself by but i ended up running out of money. I was pretty much homeless, I had no job and i was stealing to try to support my habit. The withdrawal from the methadone lasted FOREVER. I have never felt so bad in my life. I honestly dont think i slept at all for two weeks. I was so miserable. It seemed like it took months before i actually felt normal again. I would never wish that feeling on anyone. I am very glad to be drug free now but if i would have to do it again i would have followed the program the right way and detoxed slowly like 1 or 2 mgs a week. well that is about all of my story
   
paperdoll
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 Posted May 18th, 2008 08:25 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I detoxed off methadone 45 days ago & couldnt be happier with my success! I went from 90mgs down to 2mgs then jumped off, I have to say the first 2 weeks were not horrible but on the flip side they were no fun, chills, lack of energy & high, high anxiety were the worst, oh I must not forget lack of sleep! I had a hard time speaking for weeks, it felt as if someone had their hands around my throat! But be aware, all this stuff passes & only gets better as each day goes by. I am almost back to my pre-methadone days, still some light anxiety & my energy level is slowly coming back, but other then that, Im doing great!! So for anyone who is tapering or detoxing, you will get better, it just takes some time.
penelope
   
libby
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 Posted May 25th, 2008 11:40 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Well I am tapering now and have been doing 2Mg a week, I am also on a split dose. I am over halfway there and have not had any problems at all. No WDs, no cramping, nothing. Tomorrow I start to taper at 4mg a week because I feel like I have been doing so well with the 2mg that I might as well give it a shot.
Libby, artist, mom of a wonderfull baby boy.
   
mike9158
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 Posted June 3rd, 2008 05:01 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hi everyone,

I was just out browsing the forums and thought I'd stop in and say hi. I am also tapering and for me, this is my second time. I tapered off from 95mg back in 2003-2004 and jumped off at 10mg. I did great until early 2006 when I broke my right wrist really bad. I was honest with the docs though and even though they had me back on narcotics, I ended up weaning off with fentanyl patches. Surprisingly, I didn't attempt to eat them...lol. Then, a few months later, I ruptured a disc in my neck and this time I wasn't so honest...and as expected, I got hooked back up. This time, I caught it early though and when I got back on methadone, I never had to go above 40mg. So I started tapering back off this past Autumn and I am now sitting at 15mg. I'm dropping 2.5mg a month because my clinic has the wafers and pills, not the liquid, therefore I can't drop by less than 2.5 at a time.

I'm definitely feeling the drops and actually had a harder time dropping from 20mg to 17.5mg so I stayed at 17.5mg for about six weeks. I am adjusting pretty good to the 15mg so I am looking forward to getting to 12.5mg. I also take 40mg of Prozac which has helped a lot. I started out at 20mg and increased to 40mg shortly after dropping to 17.5 on the methadone. As slow as I'm going, I will still be on the methadone for another five or six months because this time, I don't think I will "jump off"...I'll probably just taper on down.

Anyway, it's nice seeing everyone and getting to meet some of the people I don't get to meet in the "Methadone Discussion" forums. Take care all.

Mike9158
   
libby
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 Posted June 3rd, 2008 10:07 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
So this is my second week of the 4mg taper. Things seem to be going OK. I am feeling it a little before my next dose but it is nothing I can't deal with. I can also really tell now once my dose starts to kick in , I can totally feel a difference.
I wonder if me being on a split dose will help with this process? I was told it would make it easier because I am dosing twice a day, but we will see.
I am now down to 46mg twice a day. it still sounds like a lot but I am over half way there from where I started.
So we will see how this goes.

Libby, artist, mom of a wonderfull baby boy.
   
paperdoll
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 Posted June 4th, 2008 10:33 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Libby, Sorry for forgetting, but what was your dose when you first started your taper? I was on a fairly high dose, 90mgs for 5 years & did just fine. I really did,nt feel any different till I got under 20 & it was mild, when I really felt the worst was when I was under 4mgs, then 2mgs it got worse, when I got to 0mgs I actually felt better then when I was on 2mgs, sounds weird but this is how it went. Im currently at two months off methadone & doing great, I will never forget the first day I started to taper off methadone, I only dropped 2mgs from 90 & was already future tripping, but as the days turned into months, I became more confident & somehow knew I was doing the right thing, & it seemed like it was taking forever to reach my goal but before I knew it, I was at 20mgs I dropping fast. Think positive & be strong, & believe in yourself. Talk To Ya Soon
penelope
   
libby
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 Posted June 4th, 2008 03:15 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Wow you think 90mg was high, I was at 240mg. Now I am at 92mg and that is a split dose so I take 46 twice a day.
Libby, artist, mom of a wonderfull baby boy.
   
paperdoll
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 Posted June 5th, 2008 10:14 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
This was a high dose, but regardless I,ve heard & seen people taper off of high doses with very little problems & know of a girl who came off of 25mgs & suffered for weeks, of course she went cold turkey while the other two tapered slow, so Im a firm believer in titrating very slow to give your body the time it needs to adjust to the lower dosages. Also make sure that you have lots of support & the less stress in your personal life will make things that much easier, I took a month off work & went to na meetings, also talked with my counselor alot during the end of my taper, which I needed, as depression was one of my worst symtoms of getting off methadone, Im normally a very happy positive person, but I found myself feeling sorry for myself & crying for no real reasons, this was very hard for me to get thru but eventually after a few weeks I did & havent shed a tear since then, Im happy now & now realize this is just one of the many symtoms that can occur during methadone withdrawals.
penelope
   
libby
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 Posted June 6th, 2008 09:41 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Ok, now it has been almost a week at my 4mg taper and I really think I am feeling it towards my next dose. I wonder if next week and another 4mg down will be a good idea? I mean it is to the point where I am thinking of my dose earlier than I take it. This is weird because I normally have to remind myself to take it, I usually end up taking my doses a couple hours after I would like to because I forget. Sometimes I will even leave my house without it and have to either drive home or wait until I get home depending on what I am doing. Now I am waiting to take my dose a couple hours before I should.
But here is my concern, we are just now this week getting some real heat. Am I feeling withdrawals or am I hot and edgy from the heat? It is not so bad that I can't handle it, I mean I have not taken my dose yet tonight and I am not running to go and get it, I can still wait. But I am thinking about it.
I just don't know what to do? I don't want to phsych myself out into thinking I am going through WDs when it is really just the weather change. But I also don't want to go down another 4mg on Monday if I am going to start feeling really bad. This is one of the things I have stuggled with during my whole time on methadone. Normally I would do what i had to do just to be safe ( like hold for a week or something) but because time is not in my hands right now and i need to taper as fast as I can I don't want to hold unless I really have to.
Any ideas?

Libby, artist, mom of a wonderfull baby boy.
   
paperdoll
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 Posted June 7th, 2008 09:34 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I remember when the weather would change & became hot I would think I,d feel withdrawals, I still dont know if it was mental or real? But I do remember not feeling bad but just not feeling as good. Alot of methadone taper is mental, so try not to get yourself to anxious, as this can make you feel worse, also drink plenty of water. Have you thought about just going down 2mgs? At the beginning of my taper I would go down 4mgs but once I got to a lower dose I started going down 2mgs, that seemed to do the job. Also do you have the option to increase your dose if needed? Take Care
penelope
   
libby
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 Posted June 7th, 2008 07:21 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
yeah I was going down 2mg before and sped it up to 4mg because I was doing so well with it.
I think it is just mental, at least for the time being I will stick with the 4mg taper. If its gets really bad I will stop and either hold or go back to the 2mg taper. And yes if I need to go up I can.

Libby, artist, mom of a wonderfull baby boy.
   
Cephied
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 Posted June 11th, 2008 10:48 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
First post for me and I find this site very relieving. To know that other people have gone through what I am currently experiencing helps. I have been on meth for 4.5 years and began tapering for the last 9 months. I began from a split dose of 76mg x2. I got down to about 8mg x2 and I asked to combine the doses into one single dose. Before the change I hadn't felt any WD's and thought that tapering was a cake walk. Boy, was I wrong!! I was thrusted into WD hell. A real reality check for me.

I decided to go back up to try to level myself. This took several months and I was back to 30mg. Once level again, I began the arduous journey of tapering. Never more than 2mg a week. My body felt every mg. The depression. Thoughts of why I should continue this miserable life affected everything I did. The few good hours I had after dosing are what keeped me strong. It was as thought I had two people inside of me, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. Feeling good during the several hours in the morning helped me prepare for the evening

I chose drugs over my family...my children. My children allowed me to continue tapering. Instead of a fear of WD I told myself that WD is my body healing and I want WD. WD is good, not bad.

Currently I'm at 4mg, next week 2 mg, and then I and free. Of course, I won't be completely "free" but it feel so good to say it. To read everyones' stories and how they have gone through the program with success makes me cry with happiness.

I guess I will continue to write updates. Probably more for me than anyone else.

Dr. Jekyll ;<)
   
libby
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 Posted June 11th, 2008 10:41 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
I am having big problems with this 4mg drop. This is only the second week of it and tonight I feel like I am having WDs, and I am still on a high dose!
I feel like crap, I have a brain spliting head ache, My shins ache ( although not super bad, I can deal with that) The worst is the heat. I just feel hot and like I can't catch my breath. I am depressed too.
It is just not the best feeling at all.

Libby, artist, mom of a wonderfull baby boy.
   
Cephied
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 Posted June 12th, 2008 09:22 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Try a fan on low. It helps me at night. Don't take any sleeping pills because they don't work. They just make you feel worse when you wake up bc you didn't get a full nights sleep. Make sure you are take a multi-vitamin, it can only help your body recover. Slow down to 2mg per week drops then. Force yourself to do stuff. Like go to the park with your kid, or take a walk. Exercising helps your body to releases its own natural endorphins.

I'm sure you know that WD are part of the recovery and you have to be strong. That strenght will only come from within yourself. There's no magic remedy, no quick fix. There's a lot of people here who have made it, we just need to no give up.

I wish you luck libby....
   
socrates
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 Posted June 12th, 2008 08:44 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
My taper story in short.

Shot heroin for many years and then moved to Methadone. I was on it for about six months and got to 90mgs and then started to taper. My taper started at about 1mg every other day and then when I hit 25mgs, I dropped by 1mg a day. Those are the details that I can recall.

Now for the tapering: I jumped off at 3mgs and thought how bad can it be? The first day was pretty rough, I took a couple of pills given to me by my roommate (to this day, I have no idea what he gave me). He moved out the second day of my taper… I felt blessed to see him go. Not to make the story longer, but all during my methadone experience and taper, my girlfriend was never aware. On top of the latter, I had a job that I had to hold down. Times were tough, and I will break down what I did in bulleted form to see through my detox. I have to say that all in all getting off heroin or stopping smoking is harder. The only catch about Methadone is that it lingers and comes in waves but the pain is not as intense.

High level points of my taper:

1. I scoured the internet for any and all advice (it is mainly how I found this site). I read to keep my mind busy and if I was not too angry to read, I would bore myself silly on youtube.
2. I drank lots of water, took benadryl and ibuprofen like crazy, along with vitamins.
3. I would walk my dog every night and morning, no matter how much my body ached.
4. I would eat healthy meals whenever possible.
5. Being lazy is not a crime, I let the place go to shit, telling myself tomorrow will be better than today. So I did nothing in the way of cleaning and left all sorts of crap lying on the counters or on the floors. All energy was devoted to resting and using it for handling the taper (my girlfriend was out of town for 10 days, and that helped).
6. I had a couple of friends that new my predicament and I would reach out to them whenever possible.
7. I soon became a cranky bastard and deeply depressed at the one month mark. I addressed that with going back to an old sponsor and meeting once a week. This has improved my outlook on life by leaps and bounds. I did this to create insurance. And a subtle commitment that I am not going to go back to that life.

In summary, it took some time to get balance but life is better than ever. My mind went through a phase of being spacey but I am much more focused now. I felt apathetic for some time… but I chalked it up as my endorphins were flat and it would take time for my reward center to recalibrate without opiates.

In essence, if you hang tight, reach out to friends, give your body love with exercise-good nutrition and carry a lot of patience in your back pocket, you can get there.

Time is your best friend, and you will need to trust her with your life! Eventually, you can say with complete certainty “Tomorrow will be better than today!!!”

One crucial important note is: you will see progress along the way and it will motivate you to stay on the path.

(Tapering poses dangers, be sure to check with you Dr. and listen to your body; better to be on Methadone, then dead or strung out on Heroin, so be careful and best of luck!)

My last dose was on May 3rd, 2007

Kind regards,
Socrates
   
mommyam05
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 Posted June 17th, 2008 09:00 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hey everyone, I haven't posted anything lately. I had my second child May 20th. He is doing great and so am I. Before I found out I was pregnant I was detoxing and feeling better bad, I was at 33 mgs, but being pregnant the baby took most of my dose, so I believe that is why i felt so bad. I move my dose up durning my pregancy and when I had Sean, my dose was 50mgs. I really want to get off the Methadone and know I have to take it slow, I went down 5mgs in one dose a week and a half after I had him. My boyfriend and mother seem to want to know when I'm getting completely off of the Methadone, I keep telling them that I don't know and really don't want to be pushed, but it don't seem to get through to them. Anyway, I'm planning on going to the doctor and asking to go down more, but i know my conuslor don't want me to go down too fast. I have depression & anxieny and I'm on Lexapor for that and with just having a baby and also having a 2 1/2 year old I already have my heads full and dealing with a traper may not be a good idea. So I guess I'm coming here to see what others have done. Socrates u have some great advice and most likely going to use it while I go down my self. I still have many of my pre-natal vitamins which I'm going to start taking again. I want to Thank everyone for being here and for the support that I've recieve and will recieve in the future... I'm so happy I found this site!!!

AM

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earthfirstsammy
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hi,
my name is sam. im a guy. im 28 and been on methadone for 2.5 years. i really have my life together and am now fine tuning. since ive been clean ive gained some weight about 30 pounds. so about a month ago i started working out and doing a lot of cardio. believe me this isnt easy) i haven't dropped my dose of 100mg at all but i think im having trouble sleeping and i dont feel as good. i am starting a taper next week and i thought that exercise might also help that. like i said im at 100mg and i am planning on going down slowly-2mg a week. i have tried tapering before on two occasions but both times i wasn't committed to keeping a crack pipe out of mouth and so the lower i went (as low as 55mg at one point) the more coke i wound up smoking.
this forum helps so much. the clinic i go to is full of people that are still using, or living on the street or still caught up in one way or another. (this was me for a long while)
but aside from my awesome counselor i have no one there i can relate to.
thank you so much for your advice. keep on keeping on.
sam sf,ca
earthfirstsammy@yahoo.com

Keep On, Keeping On...
   
mike9158
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 Posted June 29th, 2008 05:50 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hi all,

Libby, I hope you're doing a little better my friend. I have continued to drop 2.5mg a month and right now, I'm sitting at 12.5mg. The drop from 20mg to 17.5 was a bit rough and I stayed at 17.5 for about 6 weeks, but I have to say, the drop to 15mg and then to 12.5mg has been a breeze by comparison. Libby, I hope you consider going back to dropping by 2mg instead of 4mg. I know it's frustrating. but I guarantee you, the slower you go, the better you will feel.

Sammy, I posted to you in the Methadone Discussion forum so it's good seeing you here too. Socrates is the moderator here and I am only a guest, but when it comes to addiction, we can NEVER have too much support. Just know that we are all here for you my friend and we're not going anywhere.

Socrates, thanks for letting me visit my friend. Take care everyone.

Mike9158
   
libby
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 Posted July 5th, 2008 12:16 AM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hey Mike,
I held my dose for 2 weeks and this last week started at the 2mg taper again.
It is now Fri and I can not tell a difference from Monday's dose so I think the 2mg is a good pace for me.
The thing that I hate is the heat has been getting to me. I feel hot and like my chest is heavy. Almost like the air I am breathing is heavy. But this only happens a couple times a day. Sometimes it lasts a couple hours but it is not a all day thing. Does anyone else get the "heavy air" feeling?
And Mike, I am so glad to hear that this last drop went so good. it is hearing things like that which ease some anxiety I have.
I can only hear how awful tapering is so many times before I start to obsess over my own taper.
Glad you are doing well!
I hope everyone had a great 4th!

Libby, artist, mom of a wonderfull baby boy.
   
Kar92
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 Posted July 5th, 2008 02:21 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Libby I'm not tapering, I'm only taking some kind of opiate whenever I feel sick or in pain & since I'm dependent on them, I get this feeling almost every day!

I get hot, get the sweats, feel like I can't breathe, get panicky and feel like the temperature of the room, of the whole earth is going up and going up fast, and it makes me nervous as heck. But like someone else here suggested, I use a fan besides just the A/C. Once my dentist told me that it's not the temperature of the air so much as it is important to KEEP THE AIR MOVING. So we have fans in every room of the house.

If you get that hot feeling, peel off what you're wearing, particularly uncover your shoulders, (wear a tank top or cami) and get your hair up off your neck. And put the fan full force on you and just be still, lying down or else sitting in a comfortable position, not exerting yourself so your blood pressure won't go up.

Another thing I learned is that taking hot baths and showers may sound like a great idea for aching muscles but for COOLING THE BODY it is a very bad idea. The fastest way to cool the entire body down is with water, not cool air, so get in the shower or sit in the tub and get a big cup (such as you would get from MacDonalds, if you got a giant drink), and as the water comes out of the faucet (cool water, not warm) take the cup and fill it and pour water over your body and also over your head and hair. Then when you get out of hte shower or tub, just put on something lightweight and be still near a fan. You'll actually get cold and feel it easier to breathe for a while afterwards.

Yes part of the reason of feeling hot is the outside getting hotter, and passing from A/C to outdoor heat and then back inside again and your body racing to make the adjustment, but part of it's also from WDs. I have them almost every single day and have many ways to cope.

I use clonidine when I get panicky from the heat, and only take 1/4 to 1/2 of a pill since you have to be very careful with it... it makes you tired & makes you want to lie down and rest. I do not have a baby to take care of, so it might not be a good idea for you to take it unless he's going for a nap or you're going to bed at night. It does wear off in exactly 4 hours though so you don't have to worry that it will sedate you for longer than that.

Hope you can get a handle on the heat thing. It's one of my worst symptoms and ongoing since I'm not yet dosed and try to keep my tolerance as low as possible so very stingy with what I allow myself to take for pain & WDs.

Take care,
K

   
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 Posted July 5th, 2008 02:48 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Hello,
I am glad I finally found this forum! I am a MMT patient. After many years of unsuccessful times trying to kick drugs, as well as unsuccessful attempts at tapering from methadone, I think I have finally found a way of tapering that does not cause constant unbearable physical pain or irritation of one kind or another. I have also not had an incident of emotionally "freaking out" as I did with each and every other try. As I write this, it feels like a miracle is finally happening! Hard to believe! Anyway, I look forward to reading the posts of other's experiences, and maybe commenting again later. I have been tapering 1 mg. every 2 weeks. soooooooooo slow. But it works, so far. The hardest part was at around 26 mg., major symptoms, but I was TOLD that this would probably happen when I got between 25-35. It did, oh yeah. But I was sorta ready for it, and saved this time to really "cry on friends shoulders". I had to ask alot of questions of counselors who've been at the clinic for a long time to find facts. My (newer) counselor, nice as she is, really didn't know. I feel like we, as patients, don't get enough info on what to expect when tapering. The few stories I've glanced at so far on this site support this view (except for mike-slow is good!) ....comments? I am now at 13 mg. Still have a long way to go, but that's ok. I feel that if I speed it up I may "freak out" again and not have the outcome I really want. I'm like the tortoise (not the Hare!)

mileedee
   
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P.S. Tapering is really an individual experience. I used to think counselors told us to taper slow just cuz they wanted us to stay, paying $ to the clinic! It was NEVER explained to me in depth. Seems that some people can have success going fast, or jumping off around 20mg. I think (my oppinion so far) is that it is easier for younger people, and it is easier if one has not been dependent for very long. In other words, easier for a 20 year old who's been addicted for a year or less, compared to a 45 (or more) year old who's been addicted most of their life. Comments? A person who is tapering, I guess, has to find their own rythm, and then hope no curve balls are thrown at them! And...research, research, research! It's so hard to hear these stories of people in pain, and losing their feeling of being in control of their sanity! More later....
mileedee
   
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Hi Mileedee,

Welcome! And you are so right about two things. One, it is an individual experience and going slow is the way to go. Secondly, your comment about the clinics not knowing much about tapering, at least at my clinic, I felt as if it was an unknown. To this day, I have not received a follow or anything. While tapering, I was told a suggested amount to taper and when. I ignored it but I felt isolated the whole time. It was OK with me because I never felt a connection to my clinic to start with. I did stress the importance of having people be a "point of contact" but it fell upon deaf ears. Where can a person go for support with tapering, AA or NA? Nah, I think not. So ya, this site is great but I would think clinics would put more resources into those that taper; that is my perspective.

I tapered pretty fast about a year ago from last May. It has been a long road getting my head back together but every day is better than what came before.

Kind regards,
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Hi

I am not tapering--I plan to be a lifer--but my husband tapered off successfully back in 2001-02, and is still clean today, so I thought I would share his story.

He had been on MMT off and on for 26 years, though never on a large enough dose to really control withdrawals--he used it mostly as a stopgap measure for when he could not get heroin. He was on a fairly low dose--45-50mg--NOT a blocking dose.

Anyhow, he stopped using heroin and then began a very slow taper off methadone. He reduced 2mg at a time until reaching 20mg, then 1mg every couple of weeks or so. Occasionally he would delay the reduction if he felt bad. He was able to work the entire time--overtime, up to 70 hours a week, while simultaneously taking care of our toddler son singlehandedly (I was in prison rehab). It took him about 18 months to taper off, and this may seem like a really long time for such a los dose, but keep in mind that he was a long term user, and was alone with a baby and could NOT afford to be sick, plus he was older (late 40's) and had hep c. He tapered all the way down to 1mg, and even then he took 1mg every other day for a week or so before stopping altogether. He had about a week of poor sleep after that, and some aches and pains but nothing major at all. He was back to himself within a couple of weeks after stopping. He has been off drugs now for 6 years.

Zenith
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libby
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 Posted July 5th, 2008 09:50 PM   IP           Reply with quote Edit Post Delete post
Zenith, thank you so much for telling me this.
Although I only used for about 3 1/2 years all together I used for 2 1/2 of those years every single day without a break at all, and I used a lot of heroin.
I then went to detox and a 90 day rehab. It seems like I was clean after I got out for a couple of months but in reality it was really only a little over a month before I started to use again. I chipped ( for those who don't know that means I used heroin but made sure I was not using everyday or enough to become physicaly addicted) for about a month and then started full on using again.
Actually what started me using again everyday was because I could feel myself wanting it all day everyday, I used everyday for about a week and then put myself in a hospital to get clean again because I was already having WDs, but mainly mental, it was the worst cravings I have ever had in my life without having painfull physical symptoms with it. I left the hospital after 24hours and was kicked out of the place I was staying because I started to use again. So I gave up.
I used for what seems like forever but was not even a year before I finally got on MMT. And I have not used since. It has almost been three years now since I last used heroin or any other illegal drug.
Anyway sorry got caught up in my story, lol.
My Wds where always really bad. The physical pain of it felt like hell.
I always tell the story of being in labor for three days without pain meds while on pattocin (sp?) which makes labor more painfull and my mother looking down on me telling me this will be the worst pain of my life and it will soon be over. I stopped her right there and told her child birth was nothing like heroin WDs, child birth I can hande.
So I am totally affriad that my taper will end up being another horror story. And like your husband at the time of his taper I am watching a young toddler all on my own, being sick is just not a option for me.
But I am also in a situation where I have to get off of MMT ASAP while still being able to take care of my son without issue.
So it really scares me bad.
Anyway I need to hear good taper stories like that, thank you.

Libby, artist, mom of a wonderfull baby boy.
   



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