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Huis
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 Posted October 30th, 2005 09:37 AM IP   
It this film resulted in one person losing their job, discharged from treatment due to a postive benzo urine screen, thrown out of their family circle, forced to relape due to being made to pursue an inadequate dose or withdrawal, or withrdrawn from benzodiazepines which they needed to function, ..I would be thrilled. My guess is that such scenarios will happen in the tnousands. If it only happened to one, that would be great.
Am I the only person who thought that Milly was a charicature of a therapist..maybe with a good heart, but really amateur? Do you have therapists like her in your clnics? I have not seen any, but I have not been in a thousand groups of this kind.
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SweetJoy
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Posted October 30th, 2005 10:17 AM IP
I HAVE to see this film now just to see who these characters are and what everyone is talking about. How long until it is released on DVD?
I have a bit of input concerning children.
#1. Kids believe they are immortal and invincible.
#2. Many do not look at the long term consquences of their actions unless they have been raised by very gifted parents. Some children are gifted in their own right and just know about the long term consequences. But that is not the normal average teenager.
I'll talk from my personal experience. Did I want to be a heroin addict? Yes. That was my goal in life back then. To try it and stop it. The junkies in my neighborhood whom I happened to hang out with hid their addictions to dope well. This was during the 70's. They were at least 10 yrs. older than me. We all know it's addictive. I just didn't know the extent of it. Like I said, I thought I'll try it and stop it. My neighborhood was into the crank back then and everyone was shooting that crap. I never liked it. I was more intrigued with the needle back then. Not these days. I would ask the dope addicts to help me cop because I didn't know where to find it. They never did. They refused to be responsible. BUT when I sweetened the deal they did it but reluctantly. I remember my first shot. Man, was it superb. I didn't even get sick. I was sitting on the lap of my friend, did the deed and my whole body just went limp all at once - and warm - such a sweet world of my very own. He put me in bed. During this time I'm sure he did his shit and afterwards he came back into the room and hit me with meth. I was so mad. I only got to enjoy it for 5 minutes it seemed. I think that was his intention.
My curiosity for drugs was peaked because everyone says, "it FEELS good." That would peak the inerest of many teen agers. Now that my kids are in their teens they are experimenting (I just found out) with drugs even though they knew all of the hell their parents went through and hated drugs with a passion at one time. I truly believe if they still lived with me instead of the perfect, wealthy atmosphere they are in they would not be doing drugs and if they were I would spot it and we would discuss. They are in a new neighborhood, new school and they want to make friends. Their school has more drugs there than some drug corner in N. Philly. (exaggeration)! Because of the wealth of that community.
Kids are not looking at the long term consequences. They want relief now. They want to skip the learning to deal with problems phase to the immediate gratification drugs offer but fail to help teach coping skills. Teenagers have a whole lot of stuff to deal with. At that age everything hits them at once and it's coupled with trying to plan for the future if they even have one. I didn't.
When kid's believe that they can do something and there is an out they'll try it. Unfortunately they don't know how hard the out is.
Just my two cents.
Have a Nice Day all,
SweetJoy
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Huis
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Posted October 30th, 2005 10:59 AM IP
My experience as a teen regarding experimentation and ultimate addiction, was that many were called, experimented, and moved on, and a few, were "chosen," like you. I am talking about smart kids with no financial or neighborhood woes, not the stereotypical "inner city" crowd. The ones with family histories of alcohol or drug abuse, or serious psychiatric problems, like social phobia or depression or bipolar disorder or untreated ADD, or serious abuse problems, got stuck, while the rest moved on. I was the same for alcohol abuse. Everyone drank, the sons and daughters of alcoholics or abusing parents or relatives, or untreated psych issues, got deep into it.
Most of them walked away, in time, and a few benefitted from treatment. About 10 percent died. A few are productive in every way, methadone patients. Nothing we saw or were told trumped the experience of seeing someone we knew who was using a drug, seemed to be doing well, and was well liked, in our circle. That was the most important thing. Everyone knew the horror stories.
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SweetJoy
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Posted October 30th, 2005 12:59 PM IP
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My experience as a teen regarding experimentation and ultimate addiction, was that many were called, experimented, and moved on, and a few, were "chosen," like you. I am talking about smart kids with no financial or neighborhood woes, not the stereotypical "inner city" crowd. The ones with family histories of alcohol or drug abuse, or serious psychiatric problems, like social phobia or depression or bipolar disorder or untreated ADD, or serious abuse problems, got stuck, while the rest moved on. I was the same for alcohol abuse. Everyone drank, the sons and daughters of alcoholics or abusing parents or relatives, or untreated psych issues, got deep into it.
Most of them walked away, in time, and a few benefitted from treatment. About 10 percent died. A few are productive in every way, methadone patients. Nothing we saw or were told trumped the experience of seeing someone we knew who was using a drug, seemed to be doing well, and was well liked, in our circle. That was the most important thing. Everyone knew the horror stories.
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well said. 
I didn't want to SPAM but you said it perfectly.
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Huis
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Posted October 30th, 2005 01:21 PM IP
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well said.
I didn't want to SPAM but you said it perfectly.
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I am a newbie, with some of this chat room stuff. What does it mean, "I didn't want to SPAM, but..."
I thought spam was the junk mail I receive for pills and porn and get rich quick schemes, etc.
How did you mean "SPAM, " here? Did you mean that you would like to broadcast this to all the folks in the world who don't have our mutual and I think, valuable, overview, or something else?
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Posted October 30th, 2005 02:23 PM IP
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I agree that you did not say that you "knew" anything, and I should not have said that you did. I just thought that the idea that anything you did with Methadonia would save one kid and not negatively influence another was passionate but not as compelling to me, as it is, to you. |
I am not affiliated with the documentary Methadonia in any way, shape, or form. I am one of Carol's moderators.
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Huis
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Posted October 30th, 2005 02:38 PM IP
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I am not affiliated with the documentary Methadonia in any way, shape, or form. I am one of Carol's moderators.
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Sorry. I thought that you were the one who was disappointed not to show Methadonia to high schoolers....
What a dunce, I must appear. Sorry.
that's all folks.
Thanks
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michelneg
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Posted October 30th, 2005 02:57 PM IP
Hi Sharon,
Yes, Millie did leave NYCATS. It's unfortunate. She does have some health issues that needed tending to - it is a stressful job! But she also wants to get additional training and eventually work in the prison system.
Back on page 9, someone posted a fairly angry response to Methadonia and called it something like lousy journalism. I'm not a journalist, I'm a filmmaker. I know this may sound like a subtle point, but when I read these kinds of posts, it reminds me that most people have huge misconceptions about documentary filmmaking. And this may not be the right place to go into those details. Nonetheless, if you go back to the 1920s and look at the work of documentary pioneers like Flaherty and Rothman, you will see that it was a visual and lyrical genre of filmmaking - a kind of "pure" cinema. In our TV age, people assume that all documentaries are just long news stories. It's simply not the case.
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Posted October 30th, 2005 03:05 PM IP
I thought I would share what dictionary.com has for a definition:
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3 entries found for documentary.
doc·u·men·ta·ry ( P ) Pronunciation Key (dky-mnt-r)
adj.
Consisting of, concerning, or based on documents.
Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.
n. pl. doc·u·men·ta·ries
A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.
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michelneg
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Posted October 31st, 2005 07:47 AM IP
Mrmichael ... dictionary definitions can be a bit basic, yes?
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Posted October 31st, 2005 09:31 AM IP
[quote]michelneg wrote:
Mrmichael ... dictionary definitions can be a bit basic, yes?
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Did you feel that Methadonia did or did not meet the basic definitions that MrMichael gave? Is "Documentary" broader than what Mr Michael said, in your view?
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Posted October 31st, 2005 01:05 PM IP
There are so many different types of documentaries: personal, wild life, historic, docudrama, propaganda, lyrical, political, bios, news, etc ... the list goes on. What common ground do they share? They generally look at real life. Most often they do not employ actors (though some "reenactments" do). Some documentaries are highly subjective (like Michael Moore's films). Others are broad and objective.
As you know, with "Methadonia" I began with a very specific premise: to examine one particular group of addicts in recovery at a facility in lower Manhattan. It so happened that in this group, a number of the participants were on methadone, and pill habits were a topic of concern. My main emphasis was on "portraiture", and chronicling the stories of a small number of people as intimately as possible. Did I ever think the film would be a broad and objective examination of methadone maintenance? Of course not. The parameters were far too narrow. Did I think the film might become a very detailed look at a group of middle aged and older addicts struggling with the disease of addiction. Yes. And ultimately, I think the film is about the will to live. After countless relapses, and with the disease of addiction in some cases in it's advanced stages, the vast majority of people in the film are still battling to stay clean.
The film has been accused of being: one sided, misrepresentative, anti-methadone maintenance, and many other things. But in light of the intentions I set out with, none of those comments really apply. Why? Because I never suggested that the film was a complete and broad look at the subject of methadone. It's simply not that kind of film. What a lot of people are saying is that they wish I had made a completely different film - or no film at all. But that isn't really a critique of "Methadonia". It's something else. Obviously a filmmaker wants an audience to see the film for what it is, as opposed to what it is not.
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Posted October 31st, 2005 02:15 PM IP
But Michel the most obvious thing you said is that some of your audience, maybe the majority although I'm not sure about that fact, did not see the film for what it is according to you, but saw it from the perspective of how it portrayed MMT and the many people who depend on this treatment despite society's stigmatization of this life-saving treatment. Many people had negative feelings and thoughts about it because they feared (justifiably so) how it would affect their lives and reinforce the stigma they suffer. For many that fear became a reality!
Sharon
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Posted October 31st, 2005 05:24 PM IP
Hi Sharon,
I understand that some of the audience saw the film from a unique perspective, in particular those on MMT. Actually, that has been made very clear to me! Nonetheless, I'm asking those people if it's possible to consider the film from a different perspective. It may not be possible (?). By the way, can you expand on your last sentence, "For many that fear became a reality". Thanks.
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Posted October 31st, 2005 05:45 PM IP
I sure can Michel! As a methadone advocate I have heard from many MMT pts that their family members and friends have pressured them more than ever to "get off that stuff". One in particular had his elderly mother crying and calling him daily for a week after seeing the film begging him to stop his MMT. She was so afraid that he would "turn into a zombie like the people in that movie".
Sharon
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Kent Hospital-MOM Program
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Posted November 1st, 2005 10:37 AM IP
Regarding real consequences, Sharon, I can add that my earlier posts described two serious events, one with a patient whose family told her to get off of methadone and ancillaries and another with a medical professional, intending to resign from her job, due to how her family interpreted the film. Many others were frightened of such consequences and outraged at being painted with same brush.
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Posted November 1st, 2005 04:22 PM IP
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IF this film resulted in one person losing their job, discharged from treatment due to a postive benzo urine screen, thrown out of their family circle, forced to relape due to being made to pursue an inadequate dose or withdrawal, or withrdrawn from benzodiazepines which they needed to function ..I would be thrilled. My guess is that such scenarios will happen in the tnousands. If it only happened to one, that would be great.
Am I the only person who thought that Milly was a charicature of a therapist..maybe with a good heart, but really amateur? Do you have therapists like her in your clnics? I have not seen any, but I have not been in a thousand groups of this kind.
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I'm kinda confused....
You said you would be THRILLED if, "this film resulted in one person losing their job, discharged from treatment due to a postive benzo urine screen, thrown out of their family circle, forced to relape due to being made to pursue an inadequate dose or withdrawal, or withrdrawn from benzodiazepines which they needed to function..."
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?????
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Posted November 1st, 2005 05:31 PM IP
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I'm kinda confused....
You said you would be THRILLED if, "this film resulted in one person losing their job, discharged from treatment due to a postive benzo urine screen, thrown out of their family circle, forced to relape due to being made to pursue an inadequate dose or withdrawal, or withrdrawn from benzodiazepines which they needed to function..."
WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT?????
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I meant, that I believe that the damage will be, much, much, worse, and that If it stopped at just one casualty, in each of those categories, as bad as that would be, it is better what I fear is really going to happen.
I hope that nothing happens, to anyone, That would be my desire.
I hope that clears it up.
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Posted November 1st, 2005 09:04 PM IP
Huis,
I mentioned earlier that some people have told Steve (from the film) that they have gone into recovery because they found him an inspiration. I have no idea if this balances out some of the negative news?
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Posted November 1st, 2005 09:32 PM IP
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Huis,
I mentioned earlier that some people have told Steve (from the film) that they have gone into recovery because they found him an inspiration. I have no idea if this balances out some of the negative news?
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What kind of dependence did Steve's acquaintances have, and what did their recovery involve, exactly? How long have they been in "recovery."?
If you are saying some people were opioid dependent and went into methadone maintenance, i would say that this is great to hear, and that it does balance the scale, and I am, personally, delighted and amazed, and was upset for no reason..
Anything else does not address our specific concerns (about messing up the image of methadone maintenance for those in it and tnose who might need it, now or in the future).
. If they went into detox or 30 day treatment, cold turkey or suddenly stopped abusing benzodiazepines or alcohol, I would say that such "flights into health' (therapist argot) are short lived and dangerous.
Of course it is always good to hear that people choose to move toward health, but this is not the focus of this forum, IMHO. If anyone got scared straight or inspired, that is nice, but my guess is that they think that withdrawing from methadone is recovery.in Steve's circle. It isn't, usually.
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Posted November 2nd, 2005 02:02 PM IP
I just think that since his "side" had to be explained that maybe it wasn't as clear as Michel intended. That's too bad, but it's over and done with. Like, for example, as Carol said, the documentary was not shot at a methadone clinic..instead it was a non-methadone group session. However, that really is not made clear in the documentary. So, I think since Michel knew what his intentions were, and was very clear where he was, that he just didn't think that the viewers might not be so clear. Like, when you automatically know that 1 + 1 = 2. That answer would come to us so dang easy. Well, for someone that doesn't even understand what those symbols are, and the answer, would we go about "explaining" the details of that statement if it were part of a documentary. Probably not...because it just isn't something that we would think to do...it's just so natural. It's self explanatary to most. We would just assume everyone knows what that says and means. Well, perhaps things like my example about the group was just so oridinary to Michel that he just didn't even think of explaining it. Like it was such a minute detail that didn't even enter his mind as being relevent. He obviously didn't leave OUT that info on purpose...it just wasn't necessary in his mind. Not like he thought to himself..hmmm...should I include that or not. It was just a natural move. Does any of this make sense? He didn't set out to misrepresent our community...it wasn't planned...it just turned out looking that way. However, when you have to explain your movie after the fact, then something was missing. Viewers should be able to watch something like that and understand the substance, without having to explain every tiny detail. Perhaps that was lacking in this documentary...but, it wasn't done purposely. Perhaps he was a bit uneducated as far as what the methadone community would think of his movie...after all, his movie was about mixing methadone with benzos...he thought he did a good job explaining that. He probably just didn't realize that it would form a public opinion over all MMT patients. Am I making sense? So, with that, I just don't think he needs to be attacked anymore. I think he gets it by now. Why are we still badgering on about this?? I am just curios....I am in no way saying "stop" or "quit it"...I am just wondering what is left that hasn't already been said in 10 pages of this topic??
Thanks!!
Peace to all....
Jennifer
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Posted November 2nd, 2005 02:14 PM IP
Oh, and by the way....I don't think Millie was a characture...perhaps she was a group "counselor", not really a certified "therapist"...or maybe she was?? I worked at a rehab, and I led groups, and I was not certified. She was doing what you are really supposed to do. Keep it simple, and lead the group to speak....keep it focusing on the subject, and lead them all to open up. She also kept other from talking over others, ect. It really is just supposed to be a conversation, and at the level that the clients can understand. They were low functioning addicts, so it had to be that simple. Does that make sense? I hope so! I know where I worked, a lot of recovering addicts worked there as Behavioural Techs. Kind of like counselors. It was a state run facility. Therefore, underpaid, and understaffed. So, techs picked up the slack. I was leading groups, education classes, and even some one-on-one counseling. To be honest, I wanted to help one-on-one, but it didn't sit easy with me because I was not a CERTIFIED anything. However, I just used the one-on-ones as an ear for the patient to have listen to them. I just guided them to speak and with that they were able to come up, by themselves, ideas to help with their problems, or sobriety, or to share their accomplishments and good times with. *I*, myself, did not try to "fix" them. I offered some beneficial tools that have been known to help others...only facts. I did not offer personal advice that could not be backed up by working for thousands of other addicts. So, really, some jobs are based on experience, and a sober addict with time can offer that experience and become a leader, in some sort of the word...
Thanks for allowing me to share.... 
Jennifer
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Posted November 2nd, 2005 02:50 PM IP
Mille seemed nice enough, just not professional. Professional is not always better, but it is different I was apprehensive that people might think that this represented what treatment was like for methadone patients. It can be better and worse than what was shown, in my opinion, but I think that this is not what is offered in most accredited programs, these days.
Regarding Michael and badgering.
I really think that I can separate my fears and his intent. I was talking about real versus my imagined consequences, and I am interested in what he meant by his statements about people going into recovery. If Steve's friends went into methadone maintenance, it would be one thing. If they left it, quite another, don't you think, Jennifer? I am hoping for the best.
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Posted November 2nd, 2005 04:15 PM IP
To be honest, it doesn't really matter what Steve's friends do. That wasn't what this movie was about. I hope what it did accomplish is to skew MMT patients from using benzos. And, from what I have worked with in accredited programs (which mine was JCHAO (I think that's right) accredited) are just like that. And, at least it mentioned what her credentials were...experience. But, I do understand this is all opinion. This whole thread shows just how many different opinions there really are. I was pretty wordy with my intial response to this movie, but have since then realized the only problem was to distinguish these MMT patients from the "norm". It wasn't the film makers intent to provide a movie that would attract new patients.
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Posted November 2nd, 2005 08:37 PM IP
IMAGINE THIS!
The film starts with the introduction in lettering against a blank screen sayig: "A Documentary about the Homeless in Lower Manhatten"
The cameraman hits the street and the 1st person he encounters is Steve sitting in his living room on his cement window perch that he calls home. Then Steve shows him his life.
I don't mean to instigate but we can run around this topic forever. Good things should be pulled from this documentary. The negatives have all been touched on. Is anybody's Pro and Con list close to equal in length?
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Posted November 2nd, 2005 09:10 PM IP
Jennifer,
For me, the reason it's still being discussed the way it is because Michel IMO it appeared to me as though he still didn't quite get it. I came to that conclusion after reading this line from his post to me "By the way, can you expand on your last sentence, "For many that fear became a reality". I have not seen Michel attacked in this current thread though maybe I missed something?
Thanks,
Sharon
Sharon Dembinski, PNP, CMA
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Discovery House the Center for Recovery and Hope
Kent Hospital-MOM Program
Advisory Board MSO Org
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Posted November 3rd, 2005 08:58 AM IP
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I hope you meant that MMT patients might be discouraged from ABUSING benzos, not USING them. Many patients have serious psychiatric and medical problems which respond only, to therapeutic doses of benzodiazepines.
Prejudices against benzo use are becoming fortified with this film, IMO, and stabilized, productive patients will pay the price. It is medically unsound to say that no MMT patient should use benzos.
Abuse is another issue. What did you mean?
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Posted November 3rd, 2005 05:04 PM IP
Sharon, the majority of people who viewed Methadonia don't see the film as anti-methadone. When I mention to people that the film is controversial, people look at me blankly ... I have to explain the issues that have been raised in this forum and others. The general response is: I simply had no idea it was so hard for some people to stay clean. They are getting a very strong, clear picture (maybe for the first time) of the disease model of addiction.
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Posted November 3rd, 2005 07:02 PM IP
They are getting a very strong, clear picture (maybe for the first time) of the disease model of addiction. -michelneg
I have to say-that if THIS IS infact how the majority of non-addicts are viewing this movie...than that would be absolutely, with no question WONDERFUL. I think that the misunderstandings come in circles like ours-where we know a lot more about addiction and treatment. FOr US the battle always comes down to (as it did at one point in this very thread) "the medical module" vs the "XA/therapy module" of treatment. But people that don't know much about EITHER just see it as a movie about people with addictions. The only thing that scares me about that view-is that "lay" people could come to think of Methadone as ONLY a drug of abuse, instead of a treatment. Kinda like most "lay" people now think OxyContin is "evil" because so many people have become addicted. Hey, OC was the love of my life and was hell on earth for me at the same time. It's still a MIRACLE drug for people in chronic pain. But now we see society labeling THAT drug as "evil"---drugs aren't evil-they have no malictious intent! WITH ALL DRUGS-they are good for some-death for others. WE, as a society, have to stop looking at the DRUGS as being the problem and start looking at the DISEASE as the devil. We could wipe out every drug in existance that causes dependancy and addicts would still find a way to smoke or inject banana juice to get HIGH!
Phwwwweeeee-whered that one come from? NO I SWEAR-I haven't been smoking no banana's today!! LOL!
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Posted November 5th, 2005 03:44 PM IP
Huis,
Of course I meant it would hopefully make methadone patients NOT use benzos. Geesh. Perhaps I used the wrong word. I can't imagine someone saying all methadone patients should use benzos! It's so healthy!
Perhaps Michel has not been "attacked", but maybe I should've said something like "miss inturperted"..(I know i really messed up that spelling!)
I don't mean to be rude or anything like that, but for me, I am done veiwing this thread. I appreciate the chance to express my opinions, and I respect the chance to read others opinions.
Thank you,
Jennifer
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