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skiendhu
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 Posted April 28th, 2011 06:17 PM IP   
A point of interest.
http://www.tupelomason.org
A link supplied by our recently registered brother tupelomason.
Have a look at the video and note that without exception, all the brethren are wearing their aprons under their jackets.
It's nice to see Masons doing it right.
Practical experience is the best teacher
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russellholland
Master Mason
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Posted April 28th, 2011 06:27 PM IP
I agree under is correct, but why is it so?
Russell Holland
Caboolture 266
UGLQ
Australia
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Peter Taylor
Master Mason
Posts: 1946
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Posted April 29th, 2011 02:58 AM IP
I don't believe that there is a correct way at all.
I have heard (a possible myth of course) that it depended on the origin of the Lodge in the early days. If the Lodge was from a military background then it could be worn under the jacket because it wouldn't interfere with the military dress, (uniform, trews or kilt), otherwise it was worn over the jacket! Also operative Lodges would most probably always worn it over the jacket?
My Lodge always wears it over the jacket... which of course, is the correct way. 
However, in Provincial Grand Lodge it is under the jacket as the Apron won't really sit on the tailed coat!
Regards, Peter
PM Lodge Albert 448, PM Lodge Discovery 1789, Provincial Grand Secretary of Forfarshire, Hon. 54, 164, 299, 327, 486; PZ RA Chapter Albert 503, Installed Mark Master, AASR (30th), PMWS Rose Croix, ROoS, KT, KTP, OSM, RCC, RAM, CC, SRIS, Squaremen
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skiendhu
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Posted April 29th, 2011 09:34 AM IP
It is noticeable in any depictions that I've seen that the Grand Master Mason of Scotland wears his apron under his jacket.
Leading by example?
Practical experience is the best teacher
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Arkel
Mastermason
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Posted April 29th, 2011 11:35 AM IP
I was taught to wear mine over the coat an not under it here is a photo of some of the Brothers in Iowa http://picasaweb.google.com/1121234...159468124757058
Bro Mar'yo Lindsey
Martins Lodge #624
Tabernacle #52 R.A.M
Crescent #16 Council
Ascalon #25 Commandery
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Peter Taylor
Master Mason
Posts: 1946
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Posted April 30th, 2011 06:17 AM IP
Quote:
skiendhu wrote:
It is noticeable in any depictions that I've seen that the Grand Master Mason of Scotland wears his apron under his jacket.
Leading by example?
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Indeed, because he will be wearing a tail coat perhaps.
Regards, Peter
PM Lodge Albert 448, PM Lodge Discovery 1789, Provincial Grand Secretary of Forfarshire, Hon. 54, 164, 299, 327, 486; PZ RA Chapter Albert 503, Installed Mark Master, AASR (30th), PMWS Rose Croix, ROoS, KT, KTP, OSM, RCC, RAM, CC, SRIS, Squaremen
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russellholland
Master Mason
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Posted April 30th, 2011 06:23 AM IP
It seems to me that since the apron is a badge of innocence it needs to be worn as closely as possible to the place that should be innocent
Russell Holland
Caboolture 266
UGLQ
Australia
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canuck
Mastermason
Posts: 293
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Posted April 30th, 2011 04:24 PM IP
We wear it over... After all - it's symbolic of that worn by the operative masons, to protect their garments from spot or stain...
www.victorialodge.ca
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russellholland
Master Mason
Posts: 998
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Posted April 30th, 2011 06:25 PM IP
"In Central America the ancient gods are constantly sculpted wearing aprons. Tepoxtecatl, the preserver, for example, is depicted wearing an apron with a triangular flap, and on his head he is wearing a conical cap on which can clearly be seen an embroidered skull and crossbones, finally he holds in his right hand a hammer or gavel."
Sorry the image is a bit large.
The god here depicted would not look much out of place in a modern lodge
Russell Holland
Caboolture 266
UGLQ
Australia
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skiendhu
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Posted May 4th, 2011 11:06 AM IP
Quote:
Peter Taylor wrote:
Indeed, because he will be wearing a tail coat perhaps.
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No doubt, and I suppose how you wear the apron is a matter of choice. I find it more comfortable and sensible to wear it under the jacket.
Practical experience is the best teacher
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Peter Taylor
Master Mason
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Posted May 4th, 2011 02:18 PM IP
Quote:
skiendhu wrote:
No doubt, and I suppose how you wear the apron is a matter of choice. I find it more comfortable and sensible to wear it under the jacket.
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Although you have it over your jacket in your avatar.  
Regards, Peter
PM Lodge Albert 448, PM Lodge Discovery 1789, Provincial Grand Secretary of Forfarshire, Hon. 54, 164, 299, 327, 486; PZ RA Chapter Albert 503, Installed Mark Master, AASR (30th), PMWS Rose Croix, ROoS, KT, KTP, OSM, RCC, RAM, CC, SRIS, Squaremen
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skiendhu
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Posted May 4th, 2011 04:10 PM IP
The picture was taken when I was invested with my apron at installation, I haven't worn it that way since then.
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Mozard
Master Mason
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Posted May 7th, 2011 04:10 PM IP
Here in Spain, you recognise quickly a Scot for:
1) He wears the apron under the jacket
2) The apron is green.
3) At order, he places his hands in that peculiar position "holding the VSL".
I mean, a Scot living in Scotland. Scots in Spanish lodges wear the usual Emulation apron. You just recognise them for their strong accent...
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skiendhu
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Posted May 8th, 2011 10:20 AM IP
Quote:
Mozard wrote:
Here in Spain, you recognise quickly a Scot for:
1) He wears the apron under the jacket
2) The apron is green.
3) At order, he places his hands in that peculiar position "holding the VSL".
I mean, a Scot living in Scotland. Scots in Spanish lodges wear the usual Emulation apron. You just recognise them for their strong accent...
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What accent?
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canuck
Mastermason
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Posted May 9th, 2011 02:11 AM IP
Scots don't have an accent! Everyone else does!
www.victorialodge.ca
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Peter Taylor
Master Mason
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Posted May 9th, 2011 03:19 AM IP
Ah dinna ken fit yer spickin aboot!
Regards, Peter
PM Lodge Albert 448, PM Lodge Discovery 1789, Provincial Grand Secretary of Forfarshire, Hon. 54, 164, 299, 327, 486; PZ RA Chapter Albert 503, Installed Mark Master, AASR (30th), PMWS Rose Croix, ROoS, KT, KTP, OSM, RCC, RAM, CC, SRIS, Squaremen
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Mozard
Master Mason
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Posted May 9th, 2011 09:56 AM IP
A PPGDC of Valencia is actually from Scotland. A few years ago he came to my mother Lodge accompanying the PGM, and he was wearing a nice kilt, jacket and all his regalia. I've never seen again such smartness in a Freemason. Also, he had served in the British Army for all his life and it was impressive to see him performing. Now he AsGDC for the Grand Master.
Maybe Peter Taylor knows him, I mean Wyndham Neish.
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Peter Taylor
Master Mason
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Posted May 9th, 2011 12:37 PM IP
I'm afraid I don't Bro. Do you know if he was a member of a Scottish Lodge?
Regards, Peter
PM Lodge Albert 448, PM Lodge Discovery 1789, Provincial Grand Secretary of Forfarshire, Hon. 54, 164, 299, 327, 486; PZ RA Chapter Albert 503, Installed Mark Master, AASR (30th), PMWS Rose Croix, ROoS, KT, KTP, OSM, RCC, RAM, CC, SRIS, Squaremen
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Mozard
Master Mason
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Posted May 9th, 2011 03:15 PM IP
I'm not sure, Peter. He is Scottish, but military people are usually coming and going. I'll ask him anyway at the next Meeting (I am in second affiliation in his Lodge).
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pfeifco
Master Mason
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Posted May 13th, 2011 05:34 PM IP
Over, Over, Over, unless I want a cuff up-side my head from one of our more senior members
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BroPhil
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Posted May 18th, 2011 09:30 AM IP
In England it is emphatically - over the jacket 
W.Bro Phil Saunders<br />
Northolt Lodge No 6565 (UGLE)<br />
Thames Mariner Chapter 8628
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BroPhil
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Posted May 18th, 2011 09:31 AM IP
In England it is emphatically - over the jacket
W.Bro Phil Saunders<br />
Northolt Lodge No 6565 (UGLE)<br />
Thames Mariner Chapter 8628
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